mogadishu canceles the talks with maamulka somaliland

[sahal80]

If this news is true which i doubt i want to hear it from the President or the Prime Minister, this has more to do with Somaliland Foreign minister flew to Britain and Norway and told that the talks should be moved to Norway or Britain the Turks facilitating the talks, are not willing to pressure the Somali government to come to the negotiation table as agreed the SL foreign Minister told the Brits and the Norwegians that the talks are not heading any where unless its mediated. This has nothing to do with Faisal waraabe as how sahal insinuated. Somalia wanted to withdraw from the talks they never wanted these talks. But the Europeans initiated these talks. But this good though for the SL government they can say we talked with Somalia but they breach every singed agreement such as the airspace joint control committee agreed on. Once the talks fail the ball is in the court of the so called international community. As Nickolas Kay office is rejected in Somaliland and Flights between Somaliland and Somalia remain on hold. This is good if the news true i thought the talks would fail in the next coming weeks held in Turkey, in lugu kala kaco wabay so dhakhsatay. President rayaale said we should never accept any sort of talks with Somalia unless they have a government and the talks is mediated, Kulmiye tried to use their own islaah groups to warm up to Somalia such as the former SL interior minister nuur caraale duur. Who was a close friend of President hassan of Somalia, this is good news many Somalilanders will be happy and will say to the Kulmiye government told you so such as SNM veteran Muhamamd haashi and former SL foreign minister Edna adan. Even the current SL interior minister never agreed to hold talks with Somalia. But lets wait for an offical statement from Somalia interior Minister guleed, Somaliland was dealing with him and president hassan, i dont know the guy who made this statement. Somaliland Foreign minister will arrive in Hargeisa in 2 hours and will hold a press conference lets wait and see how this story develops

I strongely believe it has to do with faysal waraabes attacks.

You guys had only xamar in a sea of somaliwan now its back to the pre-talks.

The somali govt is the one who facilitated somaliland getting all these al manaabir al siyasiya as the new compat states it also faisal said their brusless gains was from the talks. Now every thing will stop at there and there won't be a pressure on mogadishu, infact it will involve more somaliwan including these in waqooyi.

[Khalid Ali]

ex pm gaas was in sanag for puntland elections n taleex is already under puntland

Taleex is in the hands of Puntland , Puntland aka Faroole cleansed the Khatumo cell from Taleex. giving the Khatumite supporters either to accept Hargeisa or garowe.now they are cornered its a perfect policy, Somaliland ministers visit also dhahar badhan , the wasakhgalis are a bit different, but we have them under our control. badhan is like jerusalem one side supports Somaliland one side supports Majeertenia the wasakhgalis suffer from a major identity crisis which is good.

These are the good wasakhgalis badhan in western badhan

[Khalid Ali]

If this news is true which i doubt i want to hear it from the President or the Prime Minister, this has more to do with Somaliland Foreign minister flew to Britain and Norway and told that the talks should be moved to Norway or Britain the Turks facilitating the talks, are not willing to pressure the Somali government to come to the negotiation table as agreed the SL foreign Minister told the Brits and the Norwegians that the talks are not heading any where unless its mediated. This has nothing to do with Faisal waraabe as how sahal insinuated. Somalia wanted to withdraw from the talks they never wanted these talks. But the Europeans initiated these talks. But this good though for the SL government they can say we talked with Somalia but they breach every singed agreement such as the airspace joint control committee agreed on. Once the talks fail the ball is in the court of the so called international community. As Nickolas Kay office is rejected in Somaliland and Flights between Somaliland and Somalia remain on hold. This is good if the news true i thought the talks would fail in the next coming weeks held in Turkey, in lugu kala kaco wabay so dhakhsatay. President rayaale said we should never accept any sort of talks with Somalia unless they have a government and the talks is mediated, Kulmiye tried to use their own islaah groups to warm up to Somalia such as the former SL interior minister nuur caraale duur. Who was a close friend of President hassan of Somalia, this is good news many Somalilanders will be happy and will say to the Kulmiye government told you so such as SNM veteran Muhamamd haashi and former SL foreign minister Edna adan. Even the current SL interior minister never agreed to hold talks with Somalia. But lets wait for an offical statement from Somalia interior Minister guleed, Somaliland was dealing with him and president hassan, i dont know the guy who made this statement. Somaliland Foreign minister will arrive in Hargeisa in 2 hours and will hold a press conference lets wait and see how this story develops

I strongely believe it has to do with faysal waraabes attacks.

You guys had only xamar in a sea of somaliwan now its back to the pre-talks.

The somali govt is the one who facilitated somaliland getting all these al manaabir al siyasiya as the new compat states it also faisal said their brusless gains was from the talks. Now every thing will stop at there and there won't be a pressure on mogadishu, infact it will involve more somaliwan including these in waqooyi.

You mean the special arrangement aid package i believe they worked on it way before SFG was established and though the talks with Somalia helped it a speed it up a bit but its not a big point Somalia conceded on the side of Somaliland. Mogadishu government are not our allies there is an understanding on some issues , but we know where the Mogadishu government stands on Somaliland. Faisal ali waraabe is not the SL government he is an opposition , when did Somaliland government meddle in Somalia affairs. Actually it was the Somalia president who went to the media on the most important day 18 may 2013 and said that its all emotions that Somalilanders need to come to the fold and get rid of this Somaliland aspirations. Actually in Somaliweyn we have more supporters in NFD somalis all of the Somali mps in Kenya are in support of Somaliland quest for statehood. Even the tiny Djibouti is a better friend. in Somaliweyn , Somalia is the most anti Somaliland Dont matter if the talks fail its good for both sides we know where we both stand, the talks were not heading any where any way.

[sahal80]

If this news is true which i doubt i want to hear it from the President or the Prime Minister, this has more to do with Somaliland Foreign minister flew to Britain and Norway and told that the talks should be moved to Norway or Britain the Turks facilitating the talks, are not willing to pressure the Somali government to come to the negotiation table as agreed the SL foreign Minister told the Brits and the Norwegians that the talks are not heading any where unless its mediated. This has nothing to do with Faisal waraabe as how sahal insinuated. Somalia wanted to withdraw from the talks they never wanted these talks. But the Europeans initiated these talks. But this good though for the SL government they can say we talked with Somalia but they breach every singed agreement such as the airspace joint control committee agreed on. Once the talks fail the ball is in the court of the so called international community. As Nickolas Kay office is rejected in Somaliland and Flights between Somaliland and Somalia remain on hold. This is good if the news true i thought the talks would fail in the next coming weeks held in Turkey, in lugu kala kaco wabay so dhakhsatay. President rayaale said we should never accept any sort of talks with Somalia unless they have a government and the talks is mediated, Kulmiye tried to use their own islaah groups to warm up to Somalia such as the former SL interior minister nuur caraale duur. Who was a close friend of President hassan of Somalia, this is good news many Somalilanders will be happy and will say to the Kulmiye government told you so such as SNM veteran Muhamamd haashi and former SL foreign minister Edna adan. Even the current SL interior minister never agreed to hold talks with Somalia. But lets wait for an offical statement from Somalia interior Minister guleed, Somaliland was dealing with him and president hassan, i dont know the guy who made this statement. Somaliland Foreign minister will arrive in Hargeisa in 2 hours and will hold a press conference lets wait and see how this story develops

I strongely believe it has to do with faysal waraabes attacks.

You guys had only xamar in a sea of somaliwan now its back to the pre-talks.

The somali govt is the one who facilitated somaliland getting all these al manaabir al siyasiya as the new compat states it also faisal said their brusless gains was from the talks. Now every thing will stop at there and there won't be a pressure on mogadishu, infact it will involve more somaliwan including these in waqooyi.

You mean the special arrangement aid package i believe they worked on it way before SFG was established and though the talks with Somalia helped it a speed it up a bit but its not a big point Somalia conceded on the side of Somaliland. Mogadishu government are not our allies there is an understanding on some issues , but we know where the Mogadishu government stands on Somaliland. Faisal ali waraabe is not the SL government he is an opposition , when did Somaliland government meddle in Somalia affairs. Actually it was the Somalia president who went to the media on the most important day 18 may 2013 and said that its all emotions that Somalilanders need to come to the fold and get rid of this Somaliland aspirations. Actually in Somaliweyn we have more supporters in NFD somalis all of the Somali mps in Kenya are in support of Somaliland quest for statehood. Even the tiny Djibouti is a better friend. in Somaliweyn , Somalia is the most anti Somaliland Dont matter if the talks fail its good for both sides we know where we both stand, the talks were not heading any where any way.

Somaliland has some form of SNM rule, the administration and the oposation share the strategical policies hence why faisal waraabe was in the talks also there is a potential third party of a disputed council/golo between the opposition and the administration. We only had officials and mps in the talks.

[Khalid Ali]

Faisal is an opposition leader ofcourse he supports the interest of Somaliland he upholds the SL constitution, but he is not part of the government he doesn't dictate the SL foreign policy. Faisal was in the talks because Somaliland talks with Somalia concerns all parties in Somaliland its should be allinclusive. if you clearly followed the talks Somaliland minister of presidential affairs had a fall out with faisal ali waraabe regarding the talks on who to sign what , this clearly indicates that faisal views things differently . SNM no longer exists it was dismantled in 1993 it only exists in the history books. The 3rd party is golaha toosinta qaranka they are not a legitimate council but the government respects them because they are some influential SL people former SNM veterans religious leaders and Business elites, but they are not a legitimate council.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Sahiih Shabelle and Sahih Jowhar did not mention this news yet.
So this news is classified as weak because the chain is broken.

[Meyle]

Sahiih Shabelle and Sahih Jowhar did not mention this news yet.
So this news is classified as weak because the chain is broken.

Verily Imam Gudhu has spoken

[Somali-Transporter]

Sahiih Shabelle and Sahih Jowhar did not mention this news yet.
So this news is classified as daiif because the chain is broken.

[gurey25]

good news .. SL can now clearly say that xamar is being uncooperative and obstructionist.
The talks where useless anyway, benefiting turkey more than anyone else.
There should not be any talks with somalia without mediation and a timeframe.

and in the meantime the UN should be reminded regularly who is boss.
This small thaw in the relationship should stop and things should return to where they were years ago.

They need to be taught how to behave,

nicholas kay should be persona non grata in somaliland, no more photo ops.

and no more lovey dovey flirting between islaax from SL and SO.
The flirting was increasingly seen as dangerous by allot of somalilanders including me.
I am sighing with relief now, and hoping this news is true.

[The`Republic]

The beginning of the end was when the Parliament rejected for n an a unanimous vote the agreement signed by the Interior Minister.

The government can sign whatever they want, but Parliament has last gote through ratification. I wrote this was virtually the nd of such talks in a topic I opened.

Gacal's nephew is a really good friend of mine. I trust the Somali foreign policy as long as he is State Minister. The entire Gacal family are faithful, religious people who are supreme nationalists.

Him and the Prime Minister are very close.

Generally the Somali government had absolutely NO BUSINESS sitting down with an entity which outeight has secessionist ambitions at th MINISTERIAL level.

Hassan Sheikh, like Obama, understandably came in with lofty ideas but not are playing taking reality into consideration. They should have had unnofficial messengers and contacts act as cable and then evolved to more formal but still unofficial talks before ever taking it to the ministerial level or bringing heads of state and Parliament in.



Gurey-

You are the odd man out bro. The accepted principle is that Somalia's territorial integrity is sacrosanc and as the institutions of Somalia's are legitimized, the less pressure there can be on the executive branch if the legislative branch has already disagreedwith how the first process took place.

With that said, I support Somaliland's independence limited to Burco, Berbera, and Hargeisa triangle. I think that is the only way Somalia will accept northern secession if at all.

[gurey25]

Gurey-

You are the odd man out bro. The accepted principle is that Somalia's territorial integrity is sacrosanc and as the institutions of Somalia's are legitimized, the less pressure there can be on the executive branch if the legislative branch has already disagreedwith how the first process took place.

With that said, I support Somaliland's independence limited to Burco, Berbera, and Hargeisa triangle. I think that is the only way Somalia will accept northern secession if at all.

odd man out? accepted principle?
accepted by whome?
The accepted principle by the majority of the people of somaliland is that we are an independant country.
You are not a real nationalist because you have not fought for your independence , it was given to you, this is why nationalism is very weak in the rest of former somalia.
You do not understand sacrifice and nationhood, you are in no way ready for challenging us, even from a psychological standpoint.

This is always the pattern with your people, whenever there is a little progress in your country, your ego inflates and you start contemplating things that do not concern you or are even in your reach.

The triangle barb is getting old, sanaag is our ancestral home we never left it, ceerigabo is the largest city and is ours even more so than the 50's and 60's when we made up 60% of the population. Today non isaaq are no more than 10% of the population. Harti do not consider it theirs anymore hence the mass migration out of the city and western sanaag since the 80's.
So we have western sanaag and western sool.
and Awdal is an essential part of somaliland and the people are integrated and play a powerfull role in government.
We will not abandon our colonial borders we will establish control over them sooner or later and there is little your so called FSG can do about it.

The talks held were a failure from the beginning, the majority of somalilanders were against the concept from the begining.
You were forced into these talks by the international community your benefactors and handlers, and you will be forced into the new phase of real negotiations in the future.

If you think that Somaliland will be a federal region of your somalia you are either a dreamer or simply naive.

nationhood and freedom are valuable things held dearly by people who fought for them, something you have no prospect of ever understanding .

[HusseinHassan]

The triangle barb is getting old, sanaag is our ancestral home we never left it, ceerigabo is the largest city and is ours even more so than the 50's and 60's when we made up 60% of the population. Today non isaaq are no more than 10% of the population. Harti do not consider it theirs anymore hence the mass migration out of the city and western sanaag since the 80's.
So we have western sanaag and western sool.

@ sanaag is our ancestral home. let me guess it isn't darod ancestral home though, right?

gurey, i don't think any harti cares about the territories within sanaag and sool and togdheer that your people inhabit. you say western sanaag and western sool, right? well, you can have them, as any harti would say or are currently arguing for. the problem here is, you and your kin are laying claim to eastern sanaag and parts of sool and parts of togdheer that isn't inhabited by your kin.

if the somali parliament was to sign for your secession along tribal settlement (isaaq and harti), would you as a isaaq welcome this?

personally, i would like to see a sovereign isaaq + gadabursi country. adding harti into somaliland would create future problems, knowing that mixing darod and isaaq is like mixing water and oil. it's for the betterment of both isaaq and darod to not have anything to do with each other and it's very easy to attain that.

[gurey25]

I have raised this as a hypothetical a couple of years ago.
only a minority suggested something sensible like you.
for people like Voltage here, the idea was repugnant and downright scary.
It was an eye opener for me.

Its not about harti joining their kinsmen in somalia, and borders re-adjusted.
Its about destroying somaliland and bringing those uppity isaaq to heel.

To be honest no isaaq would bat an eyelid or even care if puntland took all of eastern sool and eastern sanaag.
the sentiment most people would have is good riddence.

but im sorry things are not that easy.
those borders are a political football and part of a high stakes game, and we will fight hard for them because we are fighting for our soverienty.
If by a miracle there is a government in somalia willing to negotiate in good faith, then the border issue could be easily and quickly be resolved.

[HusseinHassan]

I have raised this as a hypothetical a couple of years ago.
only a minority suggested something sensible like you.
for people like Voltage here, the idea was repugnant and downright scary.
It was an eye opener for me.

Its not about harti joining their kinsmen in somalia, and borders re-adjusted.
Its about destroying somaliland and bringing those uppity isaaq to heel.

To be honest no isaaq would bat an eyelid or even care if puntland took all of eastern sool and eastern sanaag.
the sentiment most people would have is good riddence.

but im sorry things are not that easy.
those borders are a political football and part of a high stakes game, and we will fight hard for them because we are fighting for our soverienty.
If by a miracle there is a government in somalia willing to negotiate in good faith, then the border issue could be easily and quickly be resolved.

what makes the former british-somaliland border a high stakes game? are you trying to say that coming to the negotiating table with your territories (alone) isn't sufficient enough to grant you, your dream to self-determination and sovereignty?

the problem here is, majority of the non-isaaq somalis want to force isaaq (somaliland) into being part of somalia, while all isaaq somalis are trying to force their way in making the harti territories within sanaag, sool and togdheer as part of their enclave. both of these groups are wrong. the somali federal government has to acknowledge the right to secede for the hargaysa administration (somaliland), while simultaneously, the hargaysa administration (somaliland) has to end their claims to harti territories of eastern sanaag, parts of sool and south-eastern togdheer.

the only way to legitimize the dhulos and warsans in being part of somaliland or to have them onboard, is to bring their most respected and legitimate clan elders in a huge conference where they announce their desire to be part of somaliland and thus, dhulos and warsans will unanimously agree to being somalilanders, so to speak. however, if that doesn't happen and most likely it won't happen, then i know for a fact, in the end of any negotiations between hargaysa and mogadishu will come down to either hargaysa abandoning the idea of secession or hargaysa abandoning the claims to the harti territories of sool, sanaag and togdheer.

[metamorphosis]

I dont know which one is more hilarious...an imaginary entity that wants recognition or a crippled, powerless government that is currently occupied by Ugandans, ethiopians, Sri leonise, and burundis that thinks it has the power to grant anything to anyone.