Jinn& Sihr the reality !

[Skippa]

it's 1:30am don't feel like talking about Jinns and ish right now.

[SultanOrder]

I didn't read this topic before I went to sleep last night but now in the morning it's not so scary. I don't believe the vast majority of these women have jin or sixir. These kind of rituals are our own kind of therapy, a kind of deflation of all the built up stress and tension. It releases lots of endorphins, kind of like the high someone who regularly exercises gets.

Knowing all this I'd still exercise caution, and personally I wouldn't go. What saddens me is the amount of young girls who are going into this cult like rituals and mentality. Notice how this affect girls more than guys, women are more vulnerable to group mentality.

[Hyperactive]

It's mostly fake. The vast majority of these are women with too much time on their hands and too many things on their plate. Convince themselves that something is wrong and react what they've seen others doing.

From the the many I've come across, I'd say a telling sign of real possession by way of sixr is usually crying and begging. No howling and jumping around. In most cases, that is. People don't realize that jinn used in sixr are often vulnerable, young, and enslaved.

Steer clear of these Quraan-saar gatherings. Especially when there is money involved.

this! and if you watch most of those arab channels, you see those kind of things. either poor women or ignorant simple people that taken advantage of it.

i had witnessed twice and i guess God saved me.

[InaSamaale]

qofka jinku kujiro far yarada bidix xadhig ma kaga xidhay?

No. Didnt see any of that.

@Based & Alpha, I honestly hope it was fake and some sick joke (it will help me sleep better) but how do you explain the vomiting?

@Deeqa, my neighbour asked for a ride. I wasn't doing anything it was a Sunday morning, partially stayed for moral support and the other part was curiosity.

@GeoSeven, there was water at the front, I don't know if the sheikh spit on it to bless or whatevs, but yeah no biya Zamzam in sight.

@Skippa, I'm not a chicken. I actually slept well last night *with the light on*

@PO, jinns, sihr and the evil eye exists. If people don't seek Allah's protection everyday as per sunnah, I'm not surprised people are affected by it. Why then, do you choose to believe this group is faking it? Out of a possible thirty or so women like 10 were either vomiting, crying, screaming etc.

Oh yeah, completely forgot towards the end I was leaning back on my friend/neighbour (hard ass floor for 2 and half hours, killed my back) and the sheikh came up to me, I saw he was about to hit me coz apparently you're not allowed to lie down. I was not about to be slapped for no reason, I'm like "hey man! what they hell aniga wax na iguma jiro!" then he backed off

[SultanOrder]

InaSamaale, I said vast majority are not possessed, I'm sure the effects they feel are real, but crazy people are serious when they feel all their crazy feelings and thoughts. That to me is not necessary proof of their possession or under a spell. Also, mass hysteria is very common among humans especially among women.

[Alphanumeric]

Ina,

It depends on the sort of vomiting. Usually that indicates sixr through ingestion. It's a sort of dry heaving. Anyone can replicate it.

But if you're referring to the projectile sort, I dunno. Never seen it before. Can't say anything about that lol.

[InaSamaale]

InaSamaale, I said vast majority are not possessed, I'm sure the effects they feel are real, but crazy people are serious when they feel all their crazy feelings and thoughts. That to me is not necessary proof of their possession or under a spell. Also, mass hysteria is very common among humans especially among women.

I don't know how a bunch of seemingly normal women all having a momentary episode of pure madness is more plausible scenario than sihr/jinn. I recognized a bunch of these women, I don't know them that well but I don't think they have a track record of psychotic episodes.

Alpha,

Some of them sounded dry but others, had vomit bags, I'm guessing something was being transferred into there. I was too grossed out to look. I was staring at the folks rolling around on the floor more.

[ihatewritingessays]

Authobillah this brought back memories of the excorcist, friggin creepy!!

Imo somalida put too much efforts with exorcism, where they should be focusing on mental health. Im sure there are more ciilages in hargeysa than psychiatric clinics. Too bad theres such a stigma with mental health.

Dont get me wrong I believe in the existance of jinns and sixiir lakiin I also believe somalis are paranoid.

[Alphanumeric]

Yes, they usually are given bags. Lol @ rolling around on the floor. Smh.

[SultanOrder]

InaSamaale, I said vast majority are not possessed, I'm sure the effects they feel are real, but crazy people are serious when they feel all their crazy feelings and thoughts. That to me is not necessary proof of their possession or under a spell. Also, mass hysteria is very common among humans especially among women.

I don't know how a bunch of seemingly normal women all having a momentary episode of pure madness is more plausible scenario than sihr/jinn. I recognized a bunch of these women, I don't know them that well but I don't think they have a track record of psychotic episodes. .

It happens all the time, in ever society. Seemingly normal people that all of a sudden go through all sorts of experiences given the right setting.

A lot of charlatans take advantage of this human phenomenon for their own benefit.

[Marques]

Sounds like Scary Movie featuring Somali women.

The OP is right though, duas at night are of paramount importance. I had a moment encountering a jinn on the one night (and the only ever night since) when i didn't read duas as i just rushed to bed.

[Malachite]

Authobillah this brought back memories of the excorcist, friggin creepy!!

Imo somalida put too much efforts with exorcism, where they should be focusing on mental health. Im sure there are more ciilages in hargeysa than psychiatric clinics. Too bad theres such a stigma with mental health.

Dont get me wrong I believe in the existance of jinns and sixiir lakiin I also believe somalis are paranoid.

lol....As long as there are gullible people around there, this will continue....Many newspapers in the world still carry a horoscope every day, some have health tips from herbalists and other bs. People pay money for a psychic reading etc....On this phenomena, why are the so called demon possession only happen in cultures/society win which the idea of demon possession exist, and only tend to occur individuals who believe in them. lol,,If we can't link between these facts and the questions, i guess we wouldn't understand even more in-depth answers...

Mental healtth issues + physical health issues + confirmation bias + human inaccuracy = demon possessions seems far more likely than an actual demon inhabiting an actual person .........For some it's business opportunity booming

[Alphanumeric]

Authobillah this brought back memories of the excorcist, friggin creepy!!

Imo somalida put too much efforts with exorcism, where they should be focusing on mental health. Im sure there are more ciilages in hargeysa than psychiatric clinics. Too bad theres such a stigma with mental health.

Dont get me wrong I believe in the existance of jinns and sixiir lakiin I also believe somalis are paranoid.

lol....As long as there are gullible people around there, this will continue....Many newspapers in the world still carry a horoscope every day, some have health tips from herbalists and other bs. People pay money for a psychic reading etc....On this phenomena, why are the so called demon possession only happen in cultures/society win which the idea of demon possession exist, and only tend to occur individuals who believe in them. lol,,If we can't link between these facts and the questions, i guess we wouldn't understand even more in-depth answers...

Mental healtth issues + physical health issues + confirmation bias + human inaccuracy = demon possessions seems far more likely than an actual demon inhabiting an actual person .........For some it's business opportunity booming

Lol, you can do better than that.

But yes, mental health should be a focus. Unfortunately it's a taboo in most cultures, if not all.

[InaSamaale]

It happens all the time, in ever society. Seemingly normal people that all of a sudden go through all sorts of experiences given the right setting.

A lot of charlatans take advantage of this human phenomenon for their own benefit.

You mean that gathering is making them crazy? Anyways, you all are making me feel better. I was convinced yesterday, these women, were possessed or sihr inu ku jiray. Especially, since my neighbor explained to me why she was going there. Though, truth be told, there is a fine line between the symptoms of mental illness/disorders and demonic possession/affects of black magic. Allahu 'aclem what happened there but suffice to say, scared the living daylights outta me.

[Malachite]

Authobillah this brought back memories of the excorcist, friggin creepy!!

Imo somalida put too much efforts with exorcism, where they should be focusing on mental health. Im sure there are more ciilages in hargeysa than psychiatric clinics. Too bad theres such a stigma with mental health.

Dont get me wrong I believe in the existance of jinns and sixiir lakiin I also believe somalis are paranoid.

lol....As long as there are gullible people around there, this will continue....Many newspapers in the world still carry a horoscope every day, some have health tips from herbalists and other bs. People pay money for a psychic reading etc....On this phenomena, why are the so called demon possession only happen in cultures/society win which the idea of demon possession exist, and only tend to occur individuals who believe in them. lol,,If we can't link between these facts and the questions, i guess we wouldn't understand even more in-depth answers...

Mental healtth issues + physical health issues + confirmation bias + human inaccuracy = demon possessions seems far more likely than an actual demon inhabiting an actual person .........For some it's business opportunity booming

Lol, you can do better than that.

But yes, mental health should be a focus. Unfortunately it's a taboo in most cultures, if not all.

LOL. I must have not worded it clearly....I meant, this phenomena is mostly accuring( at least to me )in the society that credits this phenomena to exist and if that's the case, i guess it would make a good argument for not believing those people, if any more good arguments were necessary....unless you are saying it's not entirely true and that's general effecting every society...

there is an elegant simplicity in trying to get at the reasons that it isn't sensible to speculate on the sources of every single claim of demonic possession or similar events,, whilst it's admirable and try to debunk a few examples if we started jumping through these hoops in general, it would be accepting the implication that if we can't explain something satisfactorily, its ok to assume that its demonic possession (or whatever)..... I would really like to see those feats performed under strict test conditions yeah it's unfortunate mental illness doesn't get a lot of focus