is puntland two provinces and 1/4?

[BigBreak]

chinaman just secede with ur 2.5 regions bari nugaal and north mudug. any other option other than secession wont benefit ur people

[XimanJaale]

I mean realistically speaking bari and nugaal inhabited by one single subclan and its tiny associators and some of mudug that are under garoowes control

I use to think that garoowe was controlling laasqoray but its not

No one can deny that the majority of mudug is in south of galkacyo

Constitutionally, puntland is not yet a federal state, it can be considered as a self-managed autonomous region however, when the federal system was completed, will puntlands map look like this?

Geopolitically, ethiopia is not on the side of puntland annexing sool and sanaag

Mogadishu waits for a political settlement with somaliland

Most of mudug and galgaduud will form the central state.

To be a federal state you will need 2 regions or more. Puntland has passed the requirements.

Also regards to Mudug, Puntland controls majority of it.

[sahal80]

this is one of the reasons why even the terrorist scum indhacade supports the khaatumo project.
puntland has been assured to get 1/3 of the international aid that's being given to the mogadishu government under the somali name.
keep trying to come up ways in discrediting puntland's god-given right to get what it's rightfully hers.

No one is discrediting puntland, just a real Q . Your not yet a federal state.

My friend, Puntland is above a "Federal state" lool. Wtf? Its a full fledged independent Maamul that has kaladambeyn iyo Dawladnimo. If it weren't for us, the "Federal state" wouldn't exist. Majority of our territory was a kingdom even before the colonialists, forget about anything else lol. Not trying to be offence but you're getting a bit ahead of yourself bro. The so called Somali government has no power and if the foreign troops leave today, almost all of its gained territories would be in Al-Shabaabs hands. There is also the intra-tribal complex issues in the south. God knows what other stuff will pop up if al-shabaab disappears. Our territories are secure and we are self-reliant in-terms of governance. What's this all Puntland isn't federal iyo waaxad sheeg shegayid Saxiib? You're talking to the people that brought the federal government to the south, the people who drafted the Garowe Principals 1 & 2. The people who since the start of the Somali state have always been influential. We have been patient, waiting for Moqadisho to sort out its issue and its multiple phases, from Qab-qable to Al-shabaab etc for decades.

Some of us are getting really tired, also considering and going back to what I said, there is no real "guarantee" so to speak that the south will ever be peaceful. A real proper ground based and comprehensive peace process should happen in the south. These foreign troops won't stay forever and God knows what will happen once they leave. Al-shabaab is only the tip of the issue, we all know that just few years ago there was no such thing as shabaab and the south was still in absolute chaos.

A week ago, the somali president was addressing to the parliament, him or his staff didn't add the word federal to the republic of somalia and puntland media has gone crazy and started complaining to the UN man just bc of the F being missing from his statement!!

Come on man this F thing is from puntland not from us and the new govt hasn't put it in all the new documents like the new passport!

Puntland is not even a federal state per constitution, I was wondering how much provinces this state will consist and as you can see, garoowe only controls two provinces and north mudug

Its doesn't seem that puntland can annext sool and sanaag bc of ethiopia even if it takes to go for a war.

The somali govt is waiting for a political settlement with somaliland, not before that.

[XimanJaale]

Sahal,

Are u not aware of the constitution? To make a federal state there has to be minimum 2 provinces. Puntland controls 2 provinces and half.

Nugaal
Bari
and more than half of Mudug.

[sahal80]

Sahal,

Are u not aware of the constitution? To make a federal state there has to be minimum 2 provinces. Puntland controls 2 provinces and half.

Nugaal
Bari
and more than half of Mudug.

I know but there won't be one single federal state before the completion of the federal system in 2016. Therefore, puntland is not a federal state.

[SomaliDefenceCouncil]

Sahal,

Are u not aware of the constitution? To make a federal state there has to be minimum 2 provinces. Puntland controls 2 provinces and half.

Nugaal
Bari
and more than half of Mudug.

Punt land only has 20% of Mudug. And it was your uncle said barre aun who illegally created nugal which was part of Bari.

The only town puntland fully controls is bosaso, whilst garoowe is a village and Galkayo is a shared city.

Even bosaso is a very small town

[XimanJaale]

Sahal,

Puntland is a federal state. Get over it.


Somalidefencecouncil,

Somalia has 18 regions, and the federal states must come from these 18 regions.

[SomaliDefenceCouncil]

Sahal,

Puntland is a federal state. Get over it.


Somalidefencecouncil,

Somalia has 18 regions, and the federal states must come from these 18 regions.

Ugaas XimanJaale this will not change the fact that Puntland is only composed of 1 town and a half (Bosaso + North Galkayo) and Garoowe village.

[Chinaman]

A week ago, the somali president was addressing to the parliament, him or his staff didn't add the word federal to the republic of somalia and puntland media has gone crazy and started complaining to the UN man just bc of the F being missing from his statement!!

Come on man this F thing is from puntland not from us and the new govt hasn't put it in all the new documents like the new passport!

Puntland is not even a federal state per constitution, I was wondering how much provinces this state will consist and as you can see, garoowe only controls two provinces and north mudug

Its doesn't seem that puntland can annext sool and sanaag bc of ethiopia even if it takes to go for a war.

The somali govt is waiting for a political settlement with somaliland, not before that.

And? So what if it did?

Lol @ Its not from "us". Who is exactly is the us? Your words are making things all the more clear. Mate, this government was created on a federal basis. What Dam Jadid thinks or believes iyagaay utaala but if federalism fails best believe it will be secession next for the North east. Ain't no one gonna accept centralism after so much, especially not from a mainly Hawiye dominated southern government. Thanks but no thanks buddy, we all know how animalistic Mogadishu turned in 1991 and still is in some ways with people's properties still being occupied and stuff. The days of the glorious diverse Xamar is long gone (and we all know why).

Puntlands internal issues are to its own and we will deal with it but if you think we will ever accept a non-Federal Xamar government you're sadly mistaken. By the way, majority of Mudug is Mj number wise, it has always been historically, not to mention other tribes like Leelkase and Dir also being large. HAG is defo a minority in this region (thank the lord) but this is another topic. This thread ain't nothing more than to discredit our significance, kulaha federal state ma tihid. Adeer ferderalka aad sheegaysid anaaba creategareyay and I will sure as hell make sure it continues to exist other wise waax inoo kala yaal maba jidho.

[theyuusuf143]

exactly puntland fully controls two regions and half, they also claim sool and sanaag but somaliland are in charge of both( sool and sanaag) regional capitals and almost all districs.

[sahal80]

Sahal,

Puntland is a federal state. Get over it.


Somalidefencecouncil,

Somalia has 18 regions, and the federal states must come from these 18 regions.

That's from your pocket!

No single federal state exists and will exist before 2016.

Westren source: "Officially, no federal member states exist yet, and the government has until elections in 2016 to create them. It is widely believed that Puntland is the closest to achieving federal state status, "

Can puntland be a federal state? That is another question and its yes but how much provinces it will consist? That's what I'm looking for to know.

[SomaliDefenceCouncil]

A week ago, the somali president was addressing to the parliament, him or his staff didn't add the word federal to the republic of somalia and puntland media has gone crazy and started complaining to the UN man just bc of the F being missing from his statement!!

Come on man this F thing is from puntland not from us and the new govt hasn't put it in all the new documents like the new passport!

Puntland is not even a federal state per constitution, I was wondering how much provinces this state will consist and as you can see, garoowe only controls two provinces and north mudug

Its doesn't seem that puntland can annext sool and sanaag bc of ethiopia even if it takes to go for a war.

The somali govt is waiting for a political settlement with somaliland, not before that.

And? So what if it did?

lol @ its not from "us"! who is exactly is the "US"? Your words are making things all the more clear. Mate, this government was created on a federal basis. What Dam Jadid thinks or believes iyagaay utaala but if federalism fails best believe it will be secession next for the North east. Ain't no one gonna accept centralism after so much, especially not from a mainly Hawiye dominated southern government. Thanks but no thanks buddy, we all know how animalistic Mogadishu turned in 1991 and still is in some ways with people's properties still being occupied and stuff. The days of the glorious diverse Xamar is long gone (and we all know why).

Puntlands internal issues are to its own and we will deal with it but if you think we will ever accept a non-Federal Xamar government you're sadly mistaken. By the way, majority of Mudug is Mj number wise, it has always been historically, not to mention other tribes like Leelkase and Dir also being large. HAG is defo a minority in this region (thank the lord) but this is another topic. This thread ain't nothing more than to discredit our significance, kulaha federal state ma tihid. Adeer ferderalka aad sheegaysid anaaba creategareyay and I will sure as hell make sure it continues to exist other wise waax inoo kala yaal maba jidho.

The majority of Mudug in numbers and land is clearly Hawiye, we have Sacaad, Saleebaan, Dir, Sade, Ceyr, Abgaal, Murusade, Duduble.

[AbdiJohnson]

Galkacyo is lawless from north to south.

Any claims of control by any entity is not necessarily true. Its the wild wild west there with no proper authority

Puntlands control ends on the outskirts of north Galkacyo and Galmudug's doesnt start anywhere.

I am,

Abdi "Most things reported on Snet is nonsense" Johnson

[SomaliDefenceCouncil]

Galkacyo is lawless from north to south.

Any claims of control by any entity is not necessarily true. Its the wild wild west there with no proper authority.

I am,

Abdi "Most things reported on Snet is nonsense" Johnson

It's abt who lives in these places.

South Galkayo is strongly settled by Hawiye

North by Punts.

80% of Mudug is settled by Hawiye's

[Chinaman]

The majority of Mudug in numbers and land is clearly Hawiye, we have Sacaad, Saleebaan, Dir, Sade, Ceyr, Abgaal, Murusade, Duduble.

It's abt who lives in these places.

South Galkayo is strongly settled by Hawiye

North by Punts.

80% of Mudug is settled by Hawiye's

You know by pretending to be of a different Qabiil you're calling your Mother a whore? Similar in a way to her having you outofwedlock.