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Shirib wrote:BV,

I can't lie, I love our Somali pride. Even when everything would point to being in the dumps, we have it

Exactly. Markaad dadka kale aragtid how they behave is when you realise what you've got.

Lamgoodle wrote:You know what? I once met this wonderful somali woman who was dating a non-somali and she echoed some words which I will never forget:

With a somali, she said, she could articulate her needs, worries, wants, pains and love. She also described indepth the tacit dimensions of human interactions and behaviour.

I am not convinced of somali pride though when there is nothing to be proud of.

Hopefully she dropped that non-Somali.

ps That's my point, you don't need to point at anything, being Somali in itself is where the suuro comes from. Politicians and political environments come and go but some things will always stay the same.

Shirib wrote:

Lamgoodle wrote:You know what? I once met this wonderful somali woman who was dating a non-somali and she echoed some words which I will never forget:

With a somali, she said, she could articulate her needs, worries, wants, pains and love. She also described indepth the tacit dimensions of human interactions and behaviour.

I am not convinced of somali pride though when there is nothing to be proud of.

That's the best part of it. There's little to be proud of, but we still have it!

Someone who gets it!

I think Somalis really are proud of being Somali is due to being different looking to the rest of Africans but also having the warrior/brave characteristics, their history and uniqueness. Also because non-Africans look upto Somalis more than other Africans. etc

So there are both internal and external influence of being proud Somali.

Jasmine, in almost all the historical studies on somalis that I have read ( and I have read many), somalis are described as a proud people... Maybe that is the root cause of our quagmire; we need to be modest and leave the pride bubble.

During class introductions in college, I always looked forward to the highlighting the fact that I was Somali because that consequently led to questions being asked about Somalis and Somalia and enjoyed answering them. I mean, in order to be absolutely proud of yourself, you have to have pride in who you are

GeoSeven wrote:During class introductions in college, I always looked forward to the highlighting the fact that I was Somali because that consequently led to questions being asked about Somalis and Somalia and enjoyed answering them. I mean, in order to be absolutely proud of yourself, you have to have pride in who you are

Same here

Lamgoodle wrote:Jasmine, in almost all the historical studies on somalis that I have read ( and I have read many), somalis are described as a proud people... Maybe that is the root cause of our quagmire; we need to be modest and leave the pride bubble.

I'd rather this than cuqdad.

Cuqdud? modesty is a virtue my dear niece! In Scandnavia, there is something called Jantelagen which is perhaps the reason for the success of the societies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

At the same, it is understable that marginalised people or people who have been subjected to hardship seek pride ; e.g. James Brown's I am black and pride which really did alot for African Americans at a time when they were persecuted.

For those who say "we have nothing to be proud of", pride is meant to be intangible. It's not something you should be able to pin-point and provide evidence for. It's something all humans should have but don't. Nobody should be proud of, for example, the Empire state Building, not even the men who built it. But a man walking down the street should carry himself with grace and dignity. He/she should never let someone talk down to them or abuse them.

Lamgoodle, jantelagen is why I find Scandinavia so dull. They follow the indhayar philosophy of "the peg that stands out get's hammered down". A little bit of modesty is a good thing but nobody ever got anywhere by being shy. Restraint and moderation are also facets of pride, since it's the one with insecurities that usually attracts attention. But you should never be self-depreciating and meek. Which is why I admire the old-school Somali compared to say, the Japanese.

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:For those who say "we have nothing to be proud of", pride is meant to be intangible. It's not something you should be able to pin-point and provide evidence for. It's something all humans should have but don't. Nobody should be proud of, for example, the Empire state Building, not even the men who built it. But a man walking down the street should carry himself with grace and dignity. He/she should never let someone talk down to them or abuse them.

Lamgoodle, jantelagen is why I find Scandinavia so dull. They follow the indhayar philosophy of "the peg that stands out get's hammered down". A little bit of modesty is a good thing but nobody ever got anywhere by being shy. Restraint and moderation are also facets of pride, since it's the one with insecurities that usually attracts attention. But you should never be self-depreciating and meek. Which is why I admire the old-school Somali compared to say, the Japanese.

This I agree with.

Ders no somali pride jus qabil pride this is why somalis will never unite

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:For those who say "we have nothing to be proud of", pride is meant to be intangible. It's not something you should be able to pin-point and provide evidence for. It's something all humans should have but don't. Nobody should be proud of, for example, the Empire state Building, not even the men who built it. But a man walking down the street should carry himself with grace and dignity. He/she should never let someone talk down to them or abuse them.

Lamgoodle, jantelagen is why I find Scandinavia so dull. They follow the indhayar philosophy of "the peg that stands out get's hammered down". A little bit of modesty is a good thing but nobody ever got anywhere by being shy.

Restraint and moderation are also facets of pride, since it's the one with insecurities that usually attracts attention

. But you should never be self-depreciating and meek. Which is why I admire the old-school Somali compared to say, the Japanese.

LiquidH2O, dull yes but by all measurements and accounts, Scandnavia is the envy of the world. Putting anecdotes aside, Scandnavia borders utopia.

True, old school somali was great but that is for the history books saaxib. Today's somalis have superficial pride.

Lamgoodle wrote:

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:For those who say "we have nothing to be proud of", pride is meant to be intangible. It's not something you should be able to pin-point and provide evidence for. It's something all humans should have but don't. Nobody should be proud of, for example, the Empire state Building, not even the men who built it. But a man walking down the street should carry himself with grace and dignity. He/she should never let someone talk down to them or abuse them.

Lamgoodle, jantelagen is why I find Scandinavia so dull. They follow the indhayar philosophy of "the peg that stands out get's hammered down". A little bit of modesty is a good thing but nobody ever got anywhere by being shy.

Restraint and moderation are also facets of pride, since it's the one with insecurities that usually attracts attention

. But you should never be self-depreciating and meek. Which is why I admire the old-school Somali compared to say, the Japanese.

LiquidH2O, dull yes but by all measurements and accounts, Scandnavia is the envy of the world. Putting anecdotes aside, Scandnavia borders utopia.

True, old school somali was great but that is for the history books saaxib. Today's somalis have superficial pride.

I highly disagree brother Lamgoodle. Scandinavian countries have a myriad of societial ills and psychological problems, including high suicide rates, rife assisted-suicide & euthanasia, and most disturbingly a norm of childhood molestation & sexual abuse. I am addicted to Scandi crime dramas and you never see one without a main character or two having a childhood history of molestation which somehow sheds light on why they are portrayed the way they are in that programme.

Liquid Hydrogen, I love your replies and agree with most. Your answer and what Jasmine said earlier about Somali pride running through our veins is so spot on

Scandinavian countries might have better living conditions because they have smaller population and vast resources and vast land.

There was a time when I used to have this false pride but as I grew wiser I've come to realise that being a Somali and being associated with this name is a curse. There is nothing to be proud of we are the most ignorant least developed poverty strikken most hateful traitorous people you can ever find.
Going around and feeling proud for no reason is just pure ignorance and arrogance.