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Re: vision2016 recognizes south-mudug as a province!!(HG sta
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:15 pm
by sahal80
whitehartlane wrote:sahal80 wrote:BigBreak wrote:simply somaliland will control ALL her territories she had for centuries and become a sovereign country - no other option
apart from the talks, somaliland is not part of this vision, federalism, all this current SFG system, it will take years and years not even in hassan sheekhs era at all.
What may happen under hassan sheekh is acknowledging the borders between the federal states and the somaliland entity.
Then somaliland will continue as the same entity until the world...who knows.
The ones who are eager for federalism will pay this price.
This would have happened under the two previous Darood leaders..shirdoon and faroole both were inadequate in this field. The two Cabdiweli named leaders are a different entities altogether. Somalilands quest as a foreign nation with Sool and Sanaag has dramatically decreased with the 2014 Darood leaders. The prime minister of the SFG is more active and more of a Darood man than the previous PM whilst the current president of the puntland region is far more involved than the regime of the years past.
Somaliland currently controls only ceerigaabo and the district in Darood sanaag
Somaliland only controls Laas canood and the surroundings in Darood Sool.
And that's with faroole serving them on a silver plate to hargeisa by neglecting them.
Somalia is a qabiil based territorial politics. No qabiil is going to be under an another qabiil. Anyone who believes a Darood land will be under an independent Isaaq country is quit delusional.
The vision2016 belongs to villa somalia not the pm and the talks are part of it
Presedent hassan will finish forming the federal states and the federal system, somaliland as its now is another issue out of this
The probelms between puntland and somaliland will continue but that is not the somaligovts business
The somaligovts business is to form federal states for those who are pushing her to implement federalism!
Abdiwali gaases agenda is not to infiltrate the govt, its to lead the political battle againist the center, therefore, he wants to hold a federalism conference in garowe( with the presence of the govt/farah abdulqadir) to get the legitimacy.
As faroole gone I don't think the govt will have big regional problems, its much calmer now.
Re: vision2016 recognizes south-mudug as a province!!(HG sta
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:15 pm
by whitehartlane
http://www.raxanreeb.com/2014/04/somali ... nd-forces/
Those soldiers that recently advanced towards badhan are fellow harti that were disgruntled with the MJ led regime...they just came home..just like the rest that will follow..
Dont celebrate sxb..sooner or later waa la kala bixi doonaye..the Harti conference is soon going to be held in garowe..remember that epic election few months back? This pending shir is going to be spectacular. .
Re: vision2016 recognizes south-mudug as a province!!(HG sta
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:26 pm
by flyWOODY
whats the point of habar gidir state, habar gidir won't even invest in it they put all their wealth in xamar, it will be the most undeveloped state, I never heard of a habar gidir diaspora who visited dhusamareb or cadado they all rush to xamar as if abgal will quietly take over habar gidir areas of xamar, they spend their vacation spying on expansionist threats from abgal and murusade making sure the xamar stake isn't diluted, its better hiiraan joins habar gidir since reer hiiraan dont flock to xamar, atleast then goboloda dhexe will develop while habar gidir is patrolling xamar, if habar gidir looks away for even 5 seconds towards hg state there will be L.A riots part 2 but in xamar and abgal and murusade will be looting habar gidir kkkkkkkk
Re: vision2016 recognizes south-mudug as a province!!(HG sta
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:26 pm
by whitehartlane
Sahal there is no such thing as a hawiye and an isaaq deciding the borders of darood land fantasy thats beyond the production of even disney...dont get ahead of yourself sxb..darood are too influential..we are part and parcel of somalia plus the neighbouring nations plus have some presence in the international community...
You will never ever come across a dhulbahante or a warsengeli outside hargeisa politics that is carrying the secessionists flag..the same as sacad never joining puntland..whether they get along with ceyr and saleebaan or not...that is their future..same goes for warsengeli and dhulbahante, they are part and parcel of the harti kingdom..
Re: vision2016 recognizes south-mudug as a province!!(HG sta
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:33 pm
by flyWOODY
Dhulbahante is closer to isaaq than majerteen, the end result is them joining isaaq. Dhulbahante share culture and history to isaaq. Dhulbahante have the isaaq accent. Dhulbahante marry issaq more than majerteen. Harti doesn't exist, its just lineage, its not a political tie. In all honesty puntland will end up losing trying to persuade the dhulbahante. Deep down dhulbahante prefer isaaq only they have problem with secession if it wasnt fir secession they would have been sland 100% since 1991. Some only join pland because of disapproval of independence not because of harti. even the majerteen know this deep down
theres no such thig as darod isaaq or hawiye politics. Marehan/Hiraab, Mj/sacad, digil/abgal, mirifle/ogaden. Gadabursi/isaaq, issa and gadabursi hate each other politically
Re: vision2016 recognizes south-mudug as a province!!(HG sta
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:10 pm
by samatar133
whitehartlane wrote:http://www.raxanreeb.com/2014/04/somali ... nd-forces/
Those soldiers that recently advanced towards badhan are fellow harti that were disgruntled with the MJ led regime...they just came home..just like the rest that will follow..
Dont celebrate sxb..sooner or later waa la kala bixi doonaye..the Harti conference is soon going to be held in garowe..remember that epic election few months back? This pending shir is going to be spectacular. .
you can have as many clan conferences as you want but the land and the territory will remain under the legitimate authority of Somaliland. The day I will start taking you serious is the day you fight for the land you wrongly claim. The question is can you really fight for it? can you fire a single pullet towards our direction?
Re: vision2016 recognizes south-mudug as a province!!(HG sta
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:37 pm
by sahal80
whitehartlane wrote:Sahal there is no such thing as a hawiye and an isaaq deciding the borders of darood land fantasy thats beyond the production of even disney...dont get ahead of yourself sxb..darood are too influential..we are part and parcel of somalia plus the neighbouring nations plus have some presence in the international community...
You will never ever come across a dhulbahante or a warsengeli outside hargeisa politics that is carrying the secessionists flag..the same as sacad never joining puntland..whether they get along with ceyr and saleebaan or not...that is their future..same goes for warsengeli and dhulbahante, they are part and parcel of the harti kingdom..
Your talking to a progressive person so next time stick to the regional names!
Open your brain! This is up to villa somalia and the other part!
Puntland can't do shyt about this!
Is puntland part of the talks? NO
Does puntland has a control over these regions NO
Does puntland has the ethiopian/diplomatic support on this issue NO
Federalism will turn into a curse for puntland
Anyways the thread is not about north so let us close it now.
Re: vision2016 recognizes south-mudug as a province!!(HG sta
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:11 am
by BigBreak
^ completely agree brother sahal. mogadishu and hargeisa central govts will find a solution (two nations) on their own without the input of daroogo lightweights especially bugland
Re: vision2016 recognizes south-mudug as a province!!(HG sta
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:19 am
by SecretAgent
BigBreak wrote:^ completely agree brother sahal. mogadishu and hargeisa central govts will find a solution (two nations) on their own without the input of daroogo lightweights especially bugland
xamar is under amisom thy have no say sland will be in chaos after 2017 elections
Re: vision2016 recognizes south-mudug as a province!!(HG sta
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:34 am
by BigBreak
thats what u think but bugland is a desert qabiil enclave that can be colonised by s/land anytime
Re: vision2016 recognizes south-mudug as a province!!(HG sta
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:40 am
by SecretAgent
They have oil 20billion barrels of oil
