Somali genetic origins (we are 2/3 Omotic and 1/3 Eurasian)

[Bilis]

That is the Y-DNA (paternal DNA) of a small group of Somalis, not autosomal DNA (general DNA). Cajiib...

Here is the actual, typical Y-DNA of a larger group of ethnic Somalis and other Afro-Asiatic populations in the Horn and Nile Valley:

"the high frequency of E-V32 in Eritrea, in concordance to oral history, supports the historical ties between North East Africa (Egypt) and East Africa including Eritrea, Sudan, Ethiopia and Somalia."

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop ... 1441a.html

Also notice the position of that same typical Somali V32 paternal haplogroup in the phylogenetic tree below. It descends directly from the Egyptian V12 clade:

[MaliPrince]

Wax iskula hadh ninyahow you often sound like an illegitimate child looking for his real father. We know meeshay soomalidu ka timid and we are NOT mixed despite this load of shit you want us to believe. Find a new hobby please.

He's actually right....

Well sort of lol Some of the things he said are bit off but he is right in terms of admixture, we did obtain admixture during the neolithic but that was a very, very long time ago (Thousands)

Its between 1/3th to 2/5th Eurasian for the average Somali.



Edit: We aren't 2/3 omotic at all though. Its debatable if we even have any Omotic mixture lol. Majority of our ancestry is what best cold be described as Proto-Nilotic. That in itself isn't a perfect fit but is the best fit. We're basically talking about an extinct population (in its pure form) for our Indigenous part of our ancestry with its closest living people being nilotic speakers.

I just put that in the title to spice it up. Obviously we are not part Omotic, but we are both descended from the Ancient East African population that was native to Southern Ethiopia. Our ancestors were those that decided to move north toward Egypt while the Omotic tribes ended up staying. Its why they have some of the most unique East African E sub-clades.

I guess a more appropriate title would be 2/3 East African and 1/3 Eurasian.

[MaliPrince]

Wax iskula hadh ninyahow you often sound like an illegitimate child looking for his real father. We know meeshay soomalidu ka timid and we are NOT mixed despite this load of shit you want us to believe. Find a new hobby please.

He's actually right....

Well sort of lol Some of the things he said are bit off but he is right in terms of admixture, we did obtain admixture during the neolithic but that was a very, very long time ago (Thousands)

Its between 1/3th to 2/5th Eurasian for the average Somali.

That's not what I was talking about he made this thread in order to keep creating threads about light skin Somalis and how they MUST be mixed. Check his previous threads adaa yaabi doona.

no. we're all mixed. there are probably many dark skin somalis with more non-African DNA than some light skin somalis. you can't always assume genetics and phenotype always go hand in hand. the same 2 somali parents can produce one light skin kid and one dark skin kid. both have the same quantity of African genes and non-African genes. the only difference is that the light skin kid phenotype exhibits some of the characteristics of our Eurasian ancestors moreso than the other.

some of ya'll need to stop tripping. there's nothing wrong with being mixed. hell, its actually better.

[MaliPrince]

or maybe because you're younger, and inexperienced
If it is purely to find out, then khair, but more and more there is a trend to justify our physical features due to some supposed Caucasian DNA (which is still coming across in all the studies to be a small percentage anyway?!)

I don't think our thin noses or long gracile features can be attributed to Eurasian DNA. The error most people make is the assume that the East African component of our DNA was similar to West Africans. THAT IS FALSE. The Ancient Group we came from and the group the Bantu tribes came from were separated long before we ever made it up to Egypt. And if you look at many of the East Africans tribes with the least Eurasian admixture (like the Omotics) alot of them still have thin noses and long gracile features. I willing to bet our East African ancestors looked like them than the Bantu (who were over on the other side of Africa evolving themselves).

However, I do think that features like light skin and our curly soft hair is probably the result of the mixing with the Eurasian ancestors. No reason to assume those were native to our ancestors considering how rarely you see it in the other East Africans with less Eurasian admixture.

here are pictures of the Omotic peoples. besides the overly dark skin and timo jareer, many have facial features similar to Somalis.

[MaliPrince]

That is the Y-DNA (paternal DNA) of a small group of Somalis, not autosomal DNA (general DNA). Cajiib...

Here is the actual, typical Y-DNA of a larger group of ethnic Somalis and other Afro-Asiatic populations in the Horn and Nile Valley:

"the high frequency of E-V32 in Eritrea, in concordance to oral history, supports the historical ties between North East Africa (Egypt) and East Africa including Eritrea, Sudan, Ethiopia and Somalia."

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop ... 1441a.html

Also notice the position of that same typical Somali V32 paternal haplogroup in the phylogenetic tree below. It descends directly from the Egyptian V12 clade:

this is true. like I said in the first post. our ancestors started in East Africa like all other Afro-Asiatic speakers probably 20-30,000 years ago. while some stayed behind (like the Omotics), we decided to move north toward Egypt when the Sahara became green (about 12,000 years ago). we went there, started the Nile Valley civilizations along with the Nilotic Nubians. It was probably there were we picked up the Nilotic component of our genes as well as the Eurasians. Most decided to stay in Egypt, and kept mixing with other peoples. It how you have the modern day peoples of North Africa. Our ancestors decided to travel back down south to their original homeland and eventually settled across the Horn.

Although I would caution taking information from cites like Eupedia. Those places have a clear agenda. They don't want to believe that they have any black african ancestry in their genetics so they try to claim that Haplogroup E (which most Africans, even the Bantu belong to) originated in Europe/Asia. Which is ridiculous beyond belief.

[Basra-]

Maliprince,


I think I am getting sick of you promoting "Bantu" people, left and right. Seriously, STOP

[MaliPrince]

Maliprince,


I think I am getting sick of you promoting "Bantu" people, left and right. Seriously, STOP

what Bantus are being promoted? Omo people are not Bantu. They are native East Africans. Similar to us genetically. They and us come from the same stock of people 10-15,000 years ago. They speak the same family of languages as we do (Afro-Asiatic).

Some of you ugly Somalis need to get over your negrophobia. That the way the world sees most of our people. See the key word here. MOST. Maybe not you but most of us move through this world that way.

[Sophisticate]

That is the Y-DNA (paternal DNA) of a small group of Somalis, not autosomal DNA (general DNA). Cajiib...

Here is the actual, typical Y-DNA of a larger group of ethnic Somalis and other Afro-Asiatic populations in the Horn and Nile Valley:

"the high frequency of E-V32 in Eritrea, in concordance to oral history, supports the historical ties between North East Africa (Egypt) and East Africa including Eritrea, Sudan, Ethiopia and Somalia."

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop ... 1441a.html

Also notice the position of that same typical Somali V32 paternal haplogroup in the phylogenetic tree below. It descends directly from the Egyptian V12 clade:

this is true. like I said in the first post. our ancestors started in East Africa like all other Afro-Asiatic speakers probably 20-30,000 years ago. while some stayed behind (like the Omotics), we decided to move north toward Egypt when the Sahara became green (about 12,000 years ago). we went there, started the Nile Valley civilizations along with the Nilotic Nubians. It was probably there were we picked up the Nilotic component of our genes as well as the Eurasians. Most decided to stay in Egypt, and kept mixing with other peoples. It how you have the modern day peoples of North Africa. Our ancestors decided to travel back down south to their original homeland and eventually settled across the Horn.

Although I would caution taking information from cites like Eupedia. Those places have a clear agenda. They don't want to believe that they have any black african ancestry in their genetics so they try to claim that Haplogroup E (which most Africans, even the Bantu belong to) originated in Europe/Asia. Which is ridiculous beyond belief.

Can you explain to me why the gene for light skin among Eurasians appeared less than 7,000 years ago, well before your alleged admixture claim. Humans were dark skinned most of their existence on earth, this mutation is quite recent.

[Basra-]

Maliprince,


I think I am getting sick of you promoting "Bantu" people, left and right. Seriously, STOP

what Bantus are being promoted? Omo people are not Bantu. They are native East Africans. Similar to us genetically. They and us come from the same stock of people 10-15,000 years ago. They speak the same family of languages as we do (Afro-Asiatic).

Some of you ugly Somalis need to get over your negrophobia. That the way the world sees most of our people. See the key word here. MOST. Maybe not you but most of us move through this world that way.

Maliprince aka hydrongen

I think I am getting impatient with u.