Celebrating failure?

[XimanJaale]

Nigeria of 2014 is better than Nigeria of 1991. It is called technological advancement you dumb-ass, the living condition in the world improves throughout time. But the Somalia of before 1991 had something money can't buy and that is unity and co-operation. With unity and co-operation, our country can take pace with the world advancement. If the war didn't happened in Somalia, today we will be one of the richest countries in the world forget about Africa.

[BigBreak]

Nigeria of 2014 is better than Nigeria of 1991. It is called technological advancement you dumb-ass, the living condition in the world improves throughout time. But the Somalia of before 1991 had something money can't buy and that is unity and co-operation. With unity and co-operation, our country can take pace with the world advancement. If the war didn't happened in Somalia, today we will be one of the richest countries in the world forget about Africa.

shut up faqash scum somaliland is gone and we will destroy you if you want war. we beat you once when snm beat afweyne's mighty military now our own professional military can swallow up ur sfg militia easily

put that in your pipe and smoke it

[XimanJaale]

Seriously kid you will not be so powerful by throwing insult. Change your attitude and character it stinks. Speaking with emotions is not wise sometimes.

[BigBreak]

ximan, just enjoy the independence day of somaliland. the will of the people is paramount
http://www.raxanreeb.com/2014/05/soomaa ... eysawirro/

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I would appreciate it if people didn't derail my topic and turn it into another clan bashing thread.

In the 21st century, we lack proper roads, 24hr power supply, a sewage system, rail to connect other cities, address and postal systems, organised city-planning, clean water networks and infrastructure and on and on and on...

More than two decades of independence from the south and none of these have been even remotely achieved. 23 years! Eritrea is a younger country than us with less resources and a bigger population and it has all of the above and more. It's starved of financial support and investment yet makes Somaliland look like a collection of shanty-towns. I'm sorry if I seem like a debby downer but I've always preferred brutal honesty to beautiful dreams. I want what's best for my people and between pointless musical chairs that is SL politics and the ictiraaf mania I feel we are being sold down the river.

Saxib, there are many differences between Eritrea and Somaliland. Aside from the fact that their major cities were not subject to aerial bombardment and did not go through civil war like us, their major cities were also well built by the Italians. It was said that at one point, Asmara looked better than Rome

But that isn't any excuse to justify why Somaliland is developmentally challenged. There are many issues that you brought up that we need to face.

One thing that we should do, which is something I've been advocating for years is a diaspora taxation system, similar to what the Eritrean government has done. It is not fair that we as qurbajoogs, who come every summer to build big houses and big shiny buildings, don't pay taxes to enrich the land that we always gloat about. A simple and effective way is to tax through remittance. Statistically, Somalis send around $1 billion a year to Somalia/Somaliland. Assuming that half of that goes to Somaliland, if we charge each remittance a flat rate of 10-20%, the SL government can see an easy $50-100 million dollars in revenue each year. That's more than enough to begin restoring the roads in our cities with traffic signals and sidewalks, establish some sort of sewage system in the major cities, fix our schools and hospitals, and revitalize our ports (especially Berbera). If a transparent committee is set up to oversee all this flow of income, we can get Somaliland going very quickly.

This is an idea that needs to be brought up in the next election...

Walaal asmara is one city. The eritrean government has launched massive countrywide infrastructure projects while we do absolutely nothing. This collecting money from the community to build one road is useless and time-consuming. With effective taxation and currency control the goverment should be able to afford and build proper roads, railways and water/sewage networks. They won't even do the bare minimum like laying street grids, city planning and assigning addresses. I should be able to send a letter or a package back home, it's 2014. This is not revolutionary stuff, this is something even the romans had. I cannot party and celebrate when we live in a stone-age nation.

Salool, that argument makes no sense. I'm in the middle of my studies. Somaliland existed before me, why does it need me to tell it the bleeding obvious? Don't hate me, I'm only holding up a mirror to it.

[Xildiiid]

Do you know why Somaliland and rest of Somalia is a shithole? Because of mentalities like this:

Harris are owned pets in sl, they pay their taxes and the government uses those taxes to buy the bullets that kill them

Wallahi si daacad ah baan u qoslay. My nigga Corruption1



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Ximaar,

You're a munaafaq and your fake tears and nonsense about unity doesn't mean shit. Somaliland is united and Somaliland is not Somalia, it's a different country.

[BigBreak]

liquid, i like what you say and you have to lead our generation to approach the nation-building in a new manner despite the obstacle e.g. non-recognition, khat etc

[XimanJaale]

Kulaha sii daacad ayaan uu qoslay. War wuxu waa najis xun.

Allah doesn't change the condition of people until they change themselves. Throw parties and obbsess about being independent until judgement day, but remember you region will forever remain a shithole, until you change yourself that is. And the same goes for the rest of Somalia we are no better if not worse.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Guys can we stick to the topic? Ximanjaalle stop interjecting unity and qabyaalad. This thread isn't about unity but SL. Unity is superficial. Sl is a failure and Somalia is a failure. Two failures joined do not equal success.

[Xildiiid]

Ximaar,





Somaliland is none of your business.

[XimanJaale]

Guys can we stick to the topic? Ximanjaalle stop interjecting unity and qabyaalad. This thread isn't about unity but SL. Unity is superficial. Sl is a failure and Somalia is a failure. Two failures joined do not equal success.

You don't see it do you? Somaliland failed because their is lack of unity:

ISAAQ VS HARTI
HABAR JECEL VS HABAR YOONIS
HABAR AWAL VS HABAR YOONIS
GADABUURSI VS ISAAQ


Somalia has failed for the same reason:

HAWIYE VS DAAROOD
MAJERTEEN VS HAWIYE
MAREEXAAN VS MAJERTEEN
RAXANWEYN VS HAWIYE
BIYOMAAL VS HABAR GIDIR
OGADEN VS MAREEXAAN


The whole answer for success for both Somaliland and Somalia is unity. When unity comes can equality come, when equality comes then can good work ethic come.

Even if Somaliland get a happy recognition from the rest of Somalia, it will remain a shithole because of the lack of unity amongst its population.

[eliteSomali]

I think most of you misunderstood the message being conveyed by the OP. It's a legitimate question because a problem best solved is one where you know and acknowledge the problem. Sland has been relatively peaceful for about 17-18 years now and it is still lacking some of the basic necessities. That goes out for all lands inhabited by Somalis. Even Hamar, despite being the capital, lacks paved roads, sewage system throughout the city, access to healthcare and even clean water.

P.S I am still going to the May 18 party tonight tho.

[BigBreak]

somaliland does have unity....thats why our real govt has control of 90% of its territory unlike ur balkanized country and paper govt

[Methylamine]

Walaal asmara is one city. The eritrean government has launched massive countrywide infrastructure projects while we do absolutely nothing. This collecting money from the community to build one road is useless and time-consuming. With effective taxation and currency control the goverment should be able to afford and build proper roads, railways and water/sewage networks. They won't even do the bare minimum like laying street grids, city planning and assigning addresses. I should be able to send a letter or a package back home, it's 2014. This is not revolutionary stuff, this is something even the romans had. I cannot party and celebrate when we live in a stone-age nation.

I completely agree, it's time we challenge our politicians into making tangible changes for the country. One thing we as Somalilanders should be grateful for is the establishment of a fully democratic system. If a candidate doesn't have plan to create sustainable project, we vote them out of office. This forces them to make some sort of action if they want to keep their place in the government.

My fear is that if we keep focusing all of our attention on trying to achieve recognition and little to no attention on development, once recognition comes, we won't know what to do, thus turning into another Somalia.

[XimanJaale]

Walaal asmara is one city. The eritrean government has launched massive countrywide infrastructure projects while we do absolutely nothing. This collecting money from the community to build one road is useless and time-consuming. With effective taxation and currency control the goverment should be able to afford and build proper roads, railways and water/sewage networks. They won't even do the bare minimum like laying street grids, city planning and assigning addresses. I should be able to send a letter or a package back home, it's 2014. This is not revolutionary stuff, this is something even the romans had. I cannot party and celebrate when we live in a stone-age nation.

I completely agree, it's time we challenge our politicians into making tangible changes for the country. One thing we as Somalilanders should be grateful for is the establishment of a fully democratic system. If a candidate doesn't have plan to create sustainable project, we vote them out of office. This forces them to make some sort of action if they want to keep their place in the government.

My fear is that if we keep focusing all of our attention on trying to achieve recognition and little to no attention on development, once recognition comes, we won't know what to do, thus turning into another Somalia.

Ilaahi aya kugu daarshe, ma Somaliland ba democracy ka jira? when 80% of the budget is given to 1 clan and majority of the leaders and ministers hail from 1 clan. We are not the UN whom you fool with this so-called democracy for some AID. We are Somalis and we both are aware on the situation in Somaliland.

Somaliland is both economically and politically a failure.