Are cigarettes haram?

[mizz_chief]

I tell u wat u problem is, you hold onto to things someone tells u dhuusa DIE and u take it literal and make it into an issue, i really hate the fact that u cant move on, u annoy others by unnecessary comments and u pick the lamest things to discuss..... OK i have aid it are u happy our resident cyber counsellor, plus dictionary corner who corrects me when has nothing else to say


u have apologised but guess what u dont ever learn u always want to go on and on and frankly im getting bored of U

If something was bothering me i can assure you i wouldnt be coming to u at all...

habeen wanaagsan

[dhuusa_deer]

Miss-Chief,

Don't give me that nonsense. I hold on to things? Look who is talking. You said yourself that atavistic hate is alien to you. Further, I have apologised to you. One would expect that I'd be free from disguised slights and jibes. But lo and behold and out of the blue you take gratuitous swing at me. I ask: WHY?

[mizz_chief]

look you so damn extra stop getting emotional.

anyways like i said habeen wanaagsan my fault in trying to talk to you in the first place.. god do they hav some sort of cyber restraining order??? i could sure use one NOW

[dhuusa_deer]

I'm not getting emotional, why should I be? I have far suprior grip on reality to know better.

If you don't want me to bother you, fine. I'll leave alone, not that I have ANY reason not to. I didn't even address you today, did I? But out of the blue you took a cheap jibe at me. All I did was ask why. If you had not 'cay' me, this whole episode wouldn't have ensued. It is all your undoing and now you're crying.

Habeen wanaagsan to you too but I wonder who is being emotional here. You or me? Clearly you since your actions were unreasonable, inexplicable. I didn't say a word to you but u felt you had to 'cay' me.

[Kamal35]

Mizz Chief: I think I have an answer to the pork issue more related to common sense than science advances, as you well researched. Like human being, swine is an omnivorous animal. It means: it eats everything. That also means that it's carnivorous, like lions, tigers, crocodiles, cats, dogs... all animal with great jaws to rip raw meat. A carnivorous animal don't eat another carnivorous. You have the old saying: 'dog doesn't eat dog'. Why? Because it goes with the feeding chain in the animal kingdom. Because carnivorous animals can't process the minerals that grass and other vegetable have, they have to eat those animal which are able to process the mineral in the grass: the herbivorous animals: cows, lambs, goats, sheep. The herbivorous animals eat the plants, process them, so carnivorous animals just need to eat herbivorous to have their diet complet on minerals. Carnivorous animals can't eat other carnivorous because eating their meat would be like having an 'overdose' of proteins for them (I'm not an scientisc, so apologizes if I'm not explaining myself in a perfect, technical way). Hence, you have some diseases as tricchinosis, or mad cows (because cows ate other cows' meat).

Being omnivorous -that includes being carnivorous-, swine eats swine, or whatever kind of meat you give to it. Because swine and human being have a very similar and genetical constitution (that's the reason a human being can have a swine liver), eating the kind of swines that eat everything is like eating a lion or a tiger. I didn't hear any lost tribe on the Earth usually eat lions, although lions could be easily killed for food. Its meat has a real bad taste for humans. Same for cats or dogs (although in some cultures, cats or dogs are eating, which is another feeding-chain 'perversion'). Why do we eat lamb and not little dogs?

Both muslims and jews found some kind of connection about eating pork and getting sick. Hence, for them, swine was an impure animal to eat. For them, eating a pork is like eating a rat. In the same way that, for christians, is really disgusting seeing a Korean eating a dog.

Once said this, I think Dhuusa has his point here, and he's trying to go beyond that a simple question.

About smoking... Well, cigarrettes are not strictly forbidden because of the historical fact that cigarrettes... didn't exist in the times of Muhammad. If you take Al Quran literally, you'll become crazy, because there's not an straight surah or ayah talking about cigarrettes. You have to understand Al Quran in a wider way: everything that harms your health is not good. And that means alcohol, cigarrettes, khat (which contains the same substances as cocaine), drugs or... bombs in your waist. Al Quran is a very reasonable and with a lot of common sense book. The problem is that there are too many people trying to make it uncomprenhesible, dark, complicated, unreadable, literal or stupid (and I'm not talking about non-muslims...). If you read it with an open-mind, it's easy to read and to understand, even if you're not agree with some points or statements. But you get the meaning.

[mizz_chief]

WHEN DID I SWEAR AT U TODAY??? I REMEMBER WHAT MY FIRST QUOTE WAS TO THIS THREAD WHICH IS AS FOLLOWS



Qansa, firstl i apoligise that slow people have tried to ruin ur poist before i came.


now where in that sentence did i say dhuuusa u are slow.,.OR mentioned ur NAME

how can u tell it was directed at U, when u and others like V-Gyal posted the same stuff.. infact Vgyal deleated her thread after realising what she wrote why cant u be reasonable

DHUUSA walaahi i have no time for grown men CRYING over what i said or what i didnt say IF U TAKE every sh.it i post EVEN when i didnt CAY u then what can i do walaahi i dont have the time to sit here and make every1 happy so kindly lets JUST end this USELESS convo..


THANK U

[dhuusa_deer]

Miss-chief,

This is what you said:

"Qansa, firstl i apoligise that slow people have tried to ruin ur poist before i came."

Those are your words and unless we're being dishonest its clear what the intended message was and to whom. As clear as day light! Prior to you posting the above, it was only me and V-gal who posted. So the 'slow ppl' were ME and V-gal.

Normally, I'm not too bothered by what ppl call me. I have been called far more offensive things then that. I consider that a weakness on their part rather then an insult to me. However, this isn't the first time you chucked undeserved jibe at me. There were few other times, all after I apologised about all my previous transgressions. I let slip the previous unearned remarks in the hope you'd stop. You didn't, like today. So I felt I had to ask you why u keep calling me names.

This is not me crying but being cordial. I don't want to get into back and forth insult spat not cuz it aint warranted but becuz you're somali girl and I don't want to badmouth somali girls anymore. Don't do that in real life, never did that prior to joining S'net. I ask you, then, to stop badmouthing me. DOn't want apology, only that you accept your wrongdoing and not to do it again (as much as you can, I understand u'r human).

[QansaGabeyle]

In that movie SNATCH, the kaab laadir, the villian says that the pigs can eat a human alive, leaving no trace, even the bones. Is that true? Can pigs eat bones or is that hollywood garbage?

[mizz_chief]

if that means i dont have to bear any longer your torture then ok I APOLOGISE... i don really care it doesnt bother me coz if u dissed me now or tomorow its not like im guna sign to snet and im after DD today... no....

anyways whatever makes you leave me alone, ok u got the apology now CASE CLOSED...


KAMAL yes the quran did say that BUT ALCOHOL has been mentioned in th Quraan and so has PIG... thats why we dont eat pig nor drink alcohol, but cigerretes are different is still harms the body so it maybe not of been mentioned directly but its poisonous and islamic states can now onky do something about it.... but they dont wanna loose the ££££$$$$ they get on it...

[Kamal35]

It's true. There are about 10-15 cases reported in Spain from 1940-1990 in which big pigs in farms ate new borns babies. The number is similar with dogs eating new born babies.

[Kamal35]

Mizz Chief: yeah, I know that pig and alcohol are mentioned in Al Quran. My point is, since they're mentioned, all similar substances or animals should be included in that category: drugs, carnivorous animals, etc. You don't have to stick only to what is mentioned, but to the whole range of similar substances or meats.

[Kamal35]

Mizz: I think we're saying the same things with different words.

[mizz_chief]

the things which we cant eat or drink is clearly set out, others that are permissable wel it depends if later they turn out to be damaging, like the cigerettes it didnt exist back then but its known to cause harm and kill therefore its people's personal choice, i mean look at the month of ramadhan, as soon as it ends those addicts will rush off to smoke a icg rather then wait and eat dates or whatever, plus when they go to the mosque they will smell of it and put others off their prayers, it was mentioned that if u smell of garlic/onion its better for u to stay home and pray rather than come and smell when u pray in the mosque, well i was reading it somewhere, cant remember exactly where, i think the same should go to mosques, im glad the sisters near me in the mosque dont smoke or esle damn i dont think i wud concentrate during prayers i wud probabaly be thinking in my head

"what a dumb biaatch what was she thinking before coming into the mosque and smelling of cigeretes" which is wrong to think like that but u cant help if something around u smells and u lose concentration over it

[mizz_chief]

[quote="Kamal35"]Mizz: I think we're saying the same things with different words.[/quote]


pretty much

[Viking]

[quote="dhuusa_deer"]Why is pork haram?
There is no evidence it's deleterious to your health?[/quote]


Because Allah SWT said so! We can adress its omnivorous nature, the dangerous trichionosis and tape worms that come with its consumption but bottom line is 'samicnaa wa atacnaa' we hear and we obey!