Feminism in Islam

[EvolSyawla]

Kukri, thank you for the video.

Mona is not a dimwit, she speaks for many women who are oppressed 'in the name of Islam' and she needs to have a strong view point that doesn't allow for freedom of interpretation. She is wrong to agree with Sarkozy because forcing women to NOT wear the niqab is as oppressive as the opposite, which she is not accepting. The reason why, I understand this is because if a government allows a woman to wear it, there will be oppression because disgusting men will force it on their wives. Walahil atheem, a man once told me (during my marry a sheikh moment) while we were getting to know each other that his wife would wear the niqab and gloves. Our interactions ended with that conversation. Men will abuse what they can, some obviously not all. (See 8:00) So by allowing it to be legal, it leaves room for that interpretation. I hope I am articulating my point.

HOWEVER, it is not fair to women who chose to wear it. Who is another woman to tell us that men are forcing us to wear it, and yet she is supporting a ban for us to NOT wear it. Funny. (Hiba also says this @ 7:34) To each their own.

She did get overpowered in the conversation and I feel sorry for her for that. She is a very intelligent and courageous woman. I do respect her. Shes right, people equate the niqab with the being the most devout woman. I do not want to hide behind a mask. Are you intimidated by my beauty? My wonderful smile and glittering eyes? Good, shut up and listen to what I am saying. Ironically, wearing the niqab validates men's obsession with sexuality by forcing them to not acknowledge it. Which they will anyways, the minute a woman's ankle peeks out. That's why I won't wear it, but it doesn't mean I will control what another woman is wearing.

Anyways I don't think that is a fair video you posted as it does discredit a lot of what Mona is about, and the ideas she fights for, for oppressed women around the world.

It still doesn't answer though, DO you think a woman can be a 'good' Muslim and still fight for women's rights? And if not fight, then live a life equal in influnce to men?

[Kukri]

You cannot be a Muslim and a feminist.

Forget been a good Muslim.

[SecretAgent]

femenism = white women who want to walk around town topless

[EvolSyawla]

You cannot be a Muslim and a feminist.

Forget been a good Muslim.

That is why women face the obstacles we do. Islam blessed the world with womens rights that are not incompatible with the modern world. Whether it be being involved in politics, being business owners, our claim to property and inheritance not to mention the level of respect and value the Prophet (SAW) had for women in general. Women can fight to restore our rights, and still be pious women . They are not contradictory concepts.

[jalaaludin5]

That is why women face the obstacles we do. Islam blessed the world with womens rights that are not incompatible with the modern world. Whether it be being involved in politics, being business owners, our claim to property and inheritance not to mention the level of respect and value the Prophet (SAW) had for women in general. Women can fight to restore our rights, and still be pious women . They are not contradictory concepts.

I support and applaud sisters doing it for themselves but why do you have to join a feminist movement that was set up for none Muslims by none Muslim?

Of course Islam recognizes the right of woman, but what's dangerous is the idea of young Muslim sisters who claim to care about the right of muslim women joining force would the global feminist movement. A movement that has nothing to do with Islam and if anything goes against the grain of our faith.

Saying Bismilah on a ham sandwich will not make it halal. lol

Feminism and Islam is an oxymoron.

[ZubeirAwal]

Allah gave rights to the believing women, its just that women today believe they are entitled to chase after the "modern" world of hustle n bustle, Islam totally rejects the idea of submerging oneself into the temporary dunya to the extent it occupies every aspect of ones life, regardless of gender.

With that being said women of Islam should not act like the western world shaped and crafted by men who reject belief in God has something better than what Allah has promised them, if they do then they have committed a grevious act of betrayal.

[ZubeirAwal]

And I agree with Evol that the modern obsession with the niqab and its mention as a presquisite of marriage is stupid and nonsensical, it is well known that the niqab is not a obligation, the idea that wearing one happens to make one excel above those who don't in faithfulness to Allah is also nonsensical, however the ignorant men who implore this upon Muslim sisters should not be used as a catalyst for Muslim feminists, the oxymoronic nature of women who practically take on the functional role of men in society is one in which that doesn't need that much explaining, to simplify life for a upright Muslim:

- Worship Allah alone and be concious of his presence
-Earn enough to sustain you and your family (don't be extravagant)
-Be humble in your conduct and do not chase wealth and materialism
-Die and prepare for the akhira

[metamorphosis]

To insist that our witness counts as much as men and not half

This is not an invention of men. This is Allah's words and it's written in the holy Quran. Read ayah 282 in Surah of Cow/baqarah. While you are at it read verse 34 of surah Nisa/the women where allah explicitly says men and women aren't equal. So yes feminism isn't competible with Isam because the main idea of feminism is that men and women are equal when this is not true. it's never been true and it will never be true because God says so. So in short you are not fighting Somali men or men in general but Allah. This is not to demean women at all. Women have their role in Islam as well.

[grandpakhalif]

To insist that our witness counts as much as men and not half

This is not an invention of men. This is Allah's words and it's written in the holy Quran. Read ayah 282 in Surah of Cow/baqarah. While you are at it read verse 34 of surah Nisa/the women where allah explicitly says men and women aren't equal. So yes feminism isn't competible with Isam because the main idea of feminism is that men and women are equal when this is not true. it's never been true and it will never be true because God says so. So in short you are not fighting Somali men or men in general but Allah. This is not to demean women at all. Women have their role in Islam as well.

[EvolSyawla]

And I agree with Evol that the modern obsession with the niqab and its mention as a presquisite of marriage is stupid and nonsensical, it is well known that the niqab is not a obligation, the idea that wearing one happens to make one excel above those who don't in faithfulness to Allah is also nonsensical, however the ignorant men who implore this upon Muslim sisters should not be used as a catalyst for Muslim feminists, the oxymoronic nature of women who practically take on the functional role of men in society is one in which that doesn't need that much explaining, to simplify life for a upright Muslim:

- Worship Allah alone and be concious of his presence
-Earn enough to sustain you and your family (don't be extravagant)
-Be humble in your conduct and do not chase wealth and materialism
-Die and prepare for the akhira

Thank you.

metamorphosis, greatly appreciated for that clear post.

In all honesty, it is difficult for me to submit to this. We are not perfect and everyone's path to righteousness is unique and personal. Mine is that I want to be a good muslim woman, but I find difficulty in respecting the fact that men, generally the more stupid, selfish and heartless sex can be considered our betters in Islam. Istakfrullah. I am not judging the deen, but it is something I will be spending most of my life trying to accept. Inshallah sooner.

But that doesn't mean we should submit or let men take over, controlling our lives just because the deen says we are not equal = Which most have interpreted as being better. Until someone shows me where that is the case, I will continue to be firm in my beliefs that women are more valuable to society and should be respected as such.

[ZubeirAwal]

The point is, let women be women, and let men be men. I know it's hard for women to accept what was just said,but for much of the history of man, it was men who had the burden of ruling, working etc.. While women were responsible for things like, cultivation, the upbringing of children and what have you. Physiologically we are different, however mentally we are equal and alot of the time women excel in intelligence whereas men do not. In this age of modernity women politically and business wise have more rights than they used to, in my opinion the dunya should not be sought after whether you are a man or a woman, if a young newly wedded couple live in a land that yields to them their basic sustenance (food and water), with it they can engage in the selling and buying without the necessity of competing as vicious competitors in the age of modernity.

[Keyblade]

men, generally the more stupid, selfish and heartless sex

Chauvinist pig!

[jalaaludin5]

[EvolSyawla]

men, generally the more stupid, selfish and heartless sex

Chauvinist pig!

Considering all the great evil committed in this world was done by men, I stand by my statement.

[jalaaludin5]

Considering all the great evil committed in this world was done by men, I stand by my statement.

Remember. Behind every good and bad man there is a women. lol