Let's be honest

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

So far all you've said are truisms. You haven't said anything revolutionary or new. I've said the ball is in your court. How are you going to get the separation, by begging old white men in Westminister? 20 years is a heck of a long time. If we haven't done anything in 20 years, what makes you think anything will change in the next 20?

[Hodan94]

So far all you've said are truisms. You haven't said anything revolutionary or new. I've said the ball is in your court. How are you going to get the separation, by begging old white men in Westminister? 20 years is a heck of a long time. If we haven't done anything in 20 years, what makes you think anything will change in the next 20?

who's begging?
the relationship between Britain and sl are at its lowest point, no ones begging.

we're after business contracts with companies..... this whole ichtriaaf thing has changed its course we're looking for alternative things.

since ur negative about sl whats your plan???

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Lol who are you trying to fool

Every MAY 18

[Hodan94]

Lol who are you trying to fool

Every MAY 18

that's the diaspora they have every right as citizens of their current nation to ask for what they want, they obviously contribute and pay taxes to the government so why not demonstrate every year asking in return to recognise the nation we hail from.

as for the Somaliland govt they don't go around parading to other countries.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

So Siilaanyo and Dahir Riyaale have never visited foreign countries, particularly the UK, in a bid for recognition? What planet are you on walaal?

[Xildiiid]

Who said anything about begging the "white man"?

The politicians are happy with the status quo because they and the bourgeoisie work together and they enrich themselves at the expense of poor people who pay taxes but don't get basic municipal services.

Recognition is not the main priority but there are ways to achieve international recognition. If I was the president of SL I would distance SL from Somalia and stop the useless talks. I would boycott IGAD and move from the Horn of Africa politically and move towards west Africa and Southern Africa and establish diplomatic relations in order to gain recognition from within the continent. Once SL is recognized in Africa, the game is on..


Btw using the lack of recognition as a measurement for failure is ridiculous.

[Hodan94]

So Siilaanyo and Dahir Riyaale have never visited foreign countries, particularly the UK, in a bid for recognition? What planet are you on walaal?

going to other nations doesn't mean they're asking for recognition are u delusional...
there are other articles they sign for example cooperation with piracy or helping with training forces, these types of things that are in the interests of both nations.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

It is a measurement of failure because that is the only thing you've ben doing for 20 odd years. If for those 2 decades we were addressing more important economic and social issues (a) we would be miles ahead of where we are today in terms of gdp and infrastructure (b) we wouldn't have a tahriib and qaad problem since the former is only caused by poverty and a lack of opportunities and the latter would've been banned by any sane administration a long time ago on pain of capital punishment.

I say yes, it is a measure of an epic failure. The one thing that we have been chasing for all those years is no more closer than it was 20 years ago.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

So Siilaanyo and Dahir Riyaale have never visited foreign countries, particularly the UK, in a bid for recognition? What planet are you on walaal?

going to other nations doesn't mean they're asking for recognition are u delusional...
there are other articles they sign for example cooperation with piracy or helping with training forces, these types of things that are in the interests of both nations.

Yeah because Siilanyo was in London last time to talk about a multi-billion dollar trade deal between SL and Britain? Oops no. He was there to talk about pointless things like reconcialition, AID and how we are so much better than the south. So, basically begging. Piracy is none of our concern. It's a western concern. We should be concerned about the illegal fishing and dumping going on in our waters. Nope we mustn't talk or do anything that actually moves us one step forward.

[Hodan94]

It is a measurement of failure because that is the only thing you've ben doing for 20 odd years. If for those 2 decades we were addressing more important economic and social issues (a) we would be miles ahead of where we are today in terms of gdp and infrastructure (b) we wouldn't have a tahriib and qaad problem since the former is only caused by poverty and a lack of opportunities and the latter would've been banned by any sane administration a long time ago on pain of capital punishment.

I say yes, it is a measure of an epic failure. The one thing that we have been chasing for all those years is no more closer than it was 20 years ago.

I agree with the failures ur mentioning dhair rayalle spent his presedency doing nothing prior to him ppl wre recovering from the war....
its only since siilanyo that the country started to move forward u may agree/disagree with him but this is true.

ppl making the tahriib are full of kibir..... most leave the country with 30,000 dollars....no poor person would leave the country and so ur wrong there.
I know may sons and daughters of business men going....is that because they're poor and have no jobs??
surely they could've been employed by their parents business????

[Xildiiid]

It is a measurement of failure because that is the only thing you've ben doing for 20 odd years. If for those 2 decades we were addressing more important economic and social issues (a) we would be miles ahead of where we are today in terms of gdp and infrastructure (b) we wouldn't have a tahriib and qaad problem since the former is only caused by poverty and a lack of opportunities and the latter would've been banned by any sane administration a long time ago on pain of capital punishment.

I say yes, it is a measure of an epic failure. The one thing that we have been chasing for all those years is no more closer than it was 20 years ago.

Lack of recognition is not a measurement for failure since you don't control wether you're recognized by a second party. You can only sell your narrative and wether they buy it or not is up to them.

When it comes to infrastructure and general development, the politicians have failed but as I told you they are happy with the status quo because they all except mad man Faysal Cali Waraabe have a stake in different businesses. From a logical point of view, lack of proper development doesn't mean we should rejoin the shame of Africa as you're indirectly suggesting.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

It is a measurement of failure because that is the only thing you've ben doing for 20 odd years. If for those 2 decades we were addressing more important economic and social issues (a) we would be miles ahead of where we are today in terms of gdp and infrastructure (b) we wouldn't have a tahriib and qaad problem since the former is only caused by poverty and a lack of opportunities and the latter would've been banned by any sane administration a long time ago on pain of capital punishment.

I say yes, it is a measure of an epic failure. The one thing that we have been chasing for all those years is no more closer than it was 20 years ago.

Lack of recognition is not a measurement for failure since you don't control wether you're recognized by a second party. You can only sell your narrative and wether they buy it or not is up to them.

When it comes to infrastructure and general development, the politicians have failed but as I told you they are happy with the status quo because they all except mad man Faysal Cali Waraabe have a stake in different businesses. From a logical point of view, lack of proper development doesn't mean we should rejoin the shame of Africa as you're indirectly suggesting.

Firstly, yes, that is a sign of failure. If a shop-keeper is unable to sell one item from his shop, then he is a failure. He could say the same thing "If people buy my produce or not, it's up to them". There's no doubt about it and you know it.

Secondly, we are already officially joined to the "shame of Africa" so that's a moot point. We cannot "rejoin" something the whole world assumes we are already a part of. Our very name Somaliland ties us to the south. If you at least came up with something original and different like Waqooyi Republic or something. But like the name, the whole country has become a farce and as much as you blame the politicians, it's the people who vote for them and choose to follow them. You've at least admitted the politicians are a failure and are only concerned about themselves. The next question is what are you going to do about it?

[Xildiiid]

You can't compare it to a shop keeper because a shop keeper is selling items and Somaliland is not selling items but a political narrative and as I said before they don't control wether they're recognized by a second party because it's politics after all and not economics.

You're grasping at straws. There are two Koreas and two Chinas. I don't care if the world thinks we're part of Somalia, what matters is the reality on the ground.

I'm moving back to SL next year and I'm going to be part of that change. You can join Somalia if that makes you feel better.

[HooBariiska]

I don't necessarily think separating from Somalia was a bad idea. At the time it was the best idea while tuurs plan was about the long term. That's why your questioning things.

The thing with Somaliland is lack of vision. We don't see beyond the plate of bariis and baasto. And every government we had they lack vision. they don't plan ahead....

We don't have a one month vision
Let alone 5,10,20 etcs
This is our biggest problem. You've done maths if you keep entering same parameters at the same equation you will always get the same results

We need to change the equation because for 23 years it didn't work

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I don't necessarily think separating from Somalia was a bad idea. At the time it was the best idea while tuurs plan was about the long term. That's why your questioning things.

The thing with Somaliland is lack of vision. We don't see beyond the plate of bariis and baasto. And every government we had they lack vision. they don't plan ahead....

We don't have a one month vision
Let alone 5,10,20 etcs
This is our biggest problem. You've done maths if you keep entering same parameters at the same equation you will always get the same results

We need to change the equation because for 23 years it didn't work

Mashallah, that's all I'm saying.