EMPIRE: The New Scramble for Africa

[Lamagoodle]

Jaale marx you are right. The chinese are just as crafty and immoral as the west. Why do africans always have to look for some new baby daddy? The east asians built the roads, railways and sewage plants themselves with little to no outside help a d here we are giving away trillions in resources for poorly built chinese roads. Thid reminds of a conversation a belgian man was having about some central african state that I can't quite recall. He said he would go to hotels and bars and restaurants during the day and they were packed full of engineers, doctors, officials. Not a single one of them had the initiative or work ethic to construct a rock crusher to turn boulders into gravel. You can only blame colonialism so much.

Liquid, I met the minister of development of an African country a few years ago. We had a frank discussion on why Africa lags behind. What he told me is this:

"The African leader is a sexual leader. Freud . You will find an old man or woman who is suppose to lead a country behaving like a teenager in search of the first lay. They do not care about their subjects only their exterior. He said that the AFrican brain sits not in the head but down under."

We have a continent where everyone wants to lead a life of the upper class. No one wants to work. Greed has no upper limit and every idiot is thinking about sex.

There is a population growth - even though Africa is still sparsely populated- but there are no job increases. Limited resources, population growth and the thirst for leading an upper class life is a deadly combination.



Jalaludiin and Fah,
I was once in an African country and there was this fat and dark lady who approached me to buy her a drink. I hesitated and she said " am I not beautiful?".. she was obviously under the influence of something. I used my "pick up line"/mercy line; I told her that she looked like a Nubian queen. She got angry and replied in French " I look like a france woman".

[FAH1223]

Jaale marx you are right. The chinese are just as crafty and immoral as the west. Why do africans always have to look for some new baby daddy? The east asians built the roads, railways and sewage plants themselves with little to no outside help a d here we are giving away trillions in resources for poorly built chinese roads. Thid reminds of a conversation a belgian man was having about some central african state that I can't quite recall. He said he would go to hotels and bars and restaurants during the day and they were packed full of engineers, doctors, officials. Not a single one of them had the initiative or work ethic to construct a rock crusher to turn boulders into gravel. You can only blame colonialism so much.

Liquid, I met the minister of development of an African country a few years ago. We had a frank discussion on why Africa lags behind. What he told me is this:

"The African leader is a sexual leader. Freud . You will find an old man or woman who is suppose to lead a country behaving like a teenager in search of the first lay. They do not care about their subjects only their exterior. He said that the AFrican brain sits not in the head but down under."

We have a continent where everyone wants to lead a life of the upper class. No one wants to work. Greed has no upper limit and every idiot is thinking about sex.

There is a population growth - even though Africa is still sparsely populated- but there are no job increases. Limited resources, population growth and the thirst for leading an upper class life is a deadly combination.



Jalaludiin and Fah,
I was once in an African country and there was this fat and dark lady who approached me to buy her a drink. I hesitated and she said " am I not beautiful?".. she was obviously under the influence of something. I used my "pick up line"/mercy line; I told her that she looked like a Nubian queen. She got angry and replied in French " I look like a france woman".

lol, where was this?

[Lamagoodle]

Fah, Eastern Africa.

Have you been to France or Belgium? The africans in those countries are assimilated.

[FAH1223]

Fah, Eastern Africa.

Have you been to France or Belgium? The africans in those countries are assimilated.

nope, but I know what you're talking about

[jalaaludin5]

Jalaludiin and Fah,
I was once in an African country and there was this fat and dark lady who approached me to buy her a drink. I hesitated and she said " am I not beautiful?".. she was obviously under the influence of something. I used my "pick up line"/mercy line; I told her that she looked like a Nubian queen. She got angry and replied in French " I look like a france woman".

why am i not surprised.

Wen you say french africans i hope djibouti is not included.

Even thou we were also colonized by the french walaahi the attitude between reer jabuuti iyo west african towards the french is ocean apart. alhamdulilah for been from the skinny clan.

Jaale would you say there is a difference between west africans and reer jabutii in terms of their love for their white masser?

[Lamagoodle]

Jalaludiin and Fah,
I was once in an African country and there was this fat and dark lady who approached me to buy her a drink. I hesitated and she said " am I not beautiful?".. she was obviously under the influence of something. I used my "pick up line"/mercy line; I told her that she looked like a Nubian queen. She got angry and replied in French " I look like a france woman".

why am i not surprised.

Wen you say french africans i hope djibouti is not included.

Even thou we were also colonized by the french walaahi the attitude between reer jabuuti iyo west african towards the french is ocean apart. alhamdulilah for been from the skinny clan.

Jaale would you say there is a difference between west africans and reer jabutii in terms of their love for their white masser?

I am biased ( I think ismail Cumar Ghelle is the last great Somali leader standing). I view the majority of the Djiboutians as somalis. When I meet Djiboutians, our conversation is on Somalis. We rarely have a conversation outside the realm of Somalinimo. There are, however, some of them who also believe that France is a great nation and that she won the Second World War under the leadership of Charles De Guelle. As always, their vocabulary contains badly pronounced French words and some of them act showy by imitating the french in every aspect. But, nothing compared to French West Africa.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Jalaludiin and Fah,
I was once in an African country and there was this fat and dark lady who approached me to buy her a drink. I hesitated and she said " am I not beautiful?".. she was obviously under the influence of something. I used my "pick up line"/mercy line; I told her that she looked like a Nubian queen. She got angry and replied in French " I look like a france woman".

why am i not surprised.

Wen you say french africans i hope djibouti is not included.

Even thou we were also colonized by the french walaahi the attitude between reer jabuuti iyo west african towards the french is ocean apart. alhamdulilah for been from the skinny clan.

Jaale would you say there is a difference between west africans and reer jabutii in terms of their love for their white masser?

I am biased ( I think ismail Cumar Ghelle is the last great Somali leader standing). I view the majority of the Djiboutians as somalis. When I meet Djiboutians, our conversation is on Somalis. We rarely have a conversation outside the realm of Somalinimo. There are, however, some of them who also believe that France is a great nation and that she won the Second World War under the leadership of Charles De Guelle. As always, their vocabulary contains badly pronounced French words and some of them act showy by imitating the french in every aspect. But, nothing compared to French West Africa.

[gurey25]

I would pick the chinese over the west anytime why?

because they differ in their modus operandum.

They both want your resources and want you buy their manufactured products, but the west depends on finacial instruments to attach themselves onto
your economy and keep sucking your lifeblood like vampires for ever.

The chinese have not reached that stage, they really are only interested in your minerals and agricultural products and want you to buy their stuff.
thats all they care about, to do this they dont mind giving you better loans terms than the west.

and they will not invade your country or "bring democracy" to your country if you remove those suckers and take steps in industrializing and modernizing your countries.

The chinese will even take the oppurtunity to sell you the machine tools you need to industrialize, it simply means another market to them.


another factor that people dont realize is that the competition between the west and china has different aims.
again th chinese only want your resources and your market, the west wants to keep their imperial control over the world which means keeping control over resources away from the chinese to maintain the status quo.
They may not want all of your resources but they want control over access to them so that the chinese will have to use the same financial instruments they use in enslaving you.

example the US will invade , bribe, depose any method you want to capture Iraq but then you find the biggest customer for iraqi oil is china.
Even if US companies lose out to chinese oil companies it doesnt matter because the chinese will have ti use US dollars and the western financial system to buy that oil.

Their biggest nightmare is if a resource rich third world country makes billateral trade deals with China using only yuan, and not Dollars or Euros.
This will enable that country to remove the fangs of the vampire and start developing.
this is if it survives " democracy" getting shoved down their throat, or a colour revolution, or a coup.

If all of africa including South Africa, and all of central asia gets free, then Goodbye US and Western Europe economic, political and millitary dominance within 10 years.

they will have to shut the fuck up and behave.

[James Dahl]

gurey25 what do you think the BRIC bank is, they're more advanced than you think

Until Africa stops depending on foreign investment and becomes self reliant, people will continue to take advantage of Africa and Africans.

[gurey25]

gurey25 what do you think the BRIC bank is, they're more advanced than you think

Until Africa stops depending on foreign investment and becomes self reliant, people will continue to take advantage of Africa and Africans.

BRIC bank is a good idea, it provides competition.

you want me to open my mouth wide and take a throat job for your money?
no thanks the BRIC banks only wants a hand job..

i think i will go with the BRIC bank,

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

There's a reason South korea restricted and out-right banned chinese businesses during their early years of industrializiation in the 70s-80s. No thanks. Asians and Europeans are of the same cloth. Africa needs no foreign aid or assistance, it needs proper leaders, solidarity and cohesion.

Look at chinese firms in Africa. They come in with hundreds of chinese workers and only leaving the menial low-skill jobs to africans. They build rickety, low quality infrastrcuture which any african nation could build for less money and then take trillions of dollars worth of resource in exchange. No thanks. You want my resources? You pay hard cold cash. And it will be my people who extract and refine it not yours.

[James Dahl]

There's a reason South korea restricted and out-right banned chinese businesses during their early years of industrializiation in the 70s-80s. No thanks. Asians and Europeans are of the same cloth. Africa needs no foreign aid or assistance, it needs proper leaders, solidarity and cohesion.

Look at chinese firms in Africa. They come in with hundreds of chinese workers and only leaving the menial low-skill jobs to africans. They build rickety, low quality infrastrcuture which any african nation could build for less money and then take trillions of dollars worth of resource in exchange. No thanks. You want my resources? You pay hard cold cash. And it will be my people who extract and refine it not yours.

LiquidHYDROGEN you are absolutely right. The unfortunate thing is that people like Robert Mugabe have the right idea, self reliance is the way forward, but the Robert Mugabe's of Africa fall down because there is so much infrastructure that needs to be built but these infrastructure projects are horribly mismanaged or don't get built at all. Outside the major cities, Africa is almost devoid of infrastructure that is the lifeblood of commerce and industry.

The Somali regions working to build roads and ports and schools, they are taking the steps that need to be taken to build prosperity, that is self reliance. South Korea is a model.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Exactly. South Korean regimes received billions in AID from the US due to the commie-paranoia back then. African countries, on average, are resource rich and the trillions gained from exporting them can be steered towards stimulating and developing High tech industries. And those are countries that are land-locked with no sea access. A country like Somalia, with a large coastline and resources would be a powerhouse. The problem is how to find enterprising and ambitious leaders, and to safely disengage from the parasitic west and unscrupulous east.

[James Dahl]

The problem really is that infrastructure is incredibly expensive, and the average African country is simply too poor to afford it. A multi lane highway or rail network costs billions of dollars, in some cases more than the entire GDP of the country involved.

Even rich western countries have trouble funding infrastructure projects, the US has a crisis with aging infrastructure with no money to replace it.

[Lamagoodle]

The BRICTS (+ Turkey and South Africa) are a force to reckon with but they lack the financial might and institutions. You cannot create a financial system outside the realm of the western system.

Concerning China; in the short term yes. In the long run, Africans will be the losers. History tells us the main reason for the earlier scramble was resources and this one is no different. There is also no evidence in the literature that the chinese penetration is creating economic growth. Except for some countries e.g. Angola. In others, e.g. Mozambique, the resource sector is managed by Brazilians, Portugal and SA. Almost 3/4 of African countries have had double digit growth figures the last 10 years. It is not a strong growth because some countries started with low figures. Much of this growth is ICT, entrepreneurship and servce related not in the resource sector.

Economic growth is achieved by the co-evolution of the primary, secondary and tertiary industries. The Chinese just like the colonial predecessors are engaged in the primary sector.

Check this paper and check its references.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... -u2_k0cToY