ISIS: most savagest group in islamic history!

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

US have executed/killed more 385.000 Muslims worldwide since 2001....

the only difference is the US does it with advanced weaponry while IS does it (due to lack of material) in a barbaric way.


IMO the US are as savage as these ISIS gang.

With figures like that, it's very hard for me to care about an american who was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I do however wish for Iran, the US or whoever to wipe these cockroaches out before they bring their sick ideology to Somalia.

[Shirib]

They're fairly new, so probably not in history yet, but what makes them more dangerous is they have modern weapons and can kill and expand at a much quicker pace than groups before them

[gurey25]

We are muslims we should not comapare ourselves with the US or Isreal,
we are to be judged by the standards of islam and these guys are failing so badly they are clearly outside the fold of islam./
they are khawarij and should be shot on sight..

no negotiations no arguing with them, a bullet to the back of the head and a quick burial.

[SultanOrder]

Govt leaked that there was a rescue attempt but ultimately failed. Every branch of the armed forces was involved.

[FAH1223]

We are muslims we should not comapare ourselves with the US or Isreal,
we are to be judged by the standards of islam and these guys are failing so badly they are clearly outside the fold of islam./
they are khawarij and should be shot on sight..

no negotiations no arguing with them, a bullet to the back of the head and a quick burial.

Gurey,

What do you think of this?


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -isis.html

Couple quotes:

"As ISIS takes over town after town in Iraq, they are acquiring money and supplies including American made vehicles, arms, and ammunition. The group reportedly scored $430 million this week when they looted the main bank in Mosul. They reportedly now have a stream of steady income sources, including from selling oil in the Northern Syrian regions they control, sometimes directly to the Assad regime."

"When confronted with the problem, Gulf leaders often justify allowing their Salafi constituents to fund Syrian extremist groups by pointing back to what they see as a failed U.S. policy in Syria and a loss of credibility after President Obama reneged on his pledge to strike Assad after the regime used chemical weapons.

That’s what Prince Bandar bin Sultan, head of Saudi intelligence since 2012 and former Saudi ambassador in Washington, reportedly told Secretary of State John Kerry when Kerry pressed him on Saudi financing of extremist groups earlier this year. Saudi Arabia has retaken a leadership role in past months guiding help to the Syrian armed rebels, displacing Qatar, which was seen as supporting some of the worst of the worst organizations on the ground.
The rise of ISIS, a group that officially broke with al Qaeda core last year, is devastating for the moderate Syrian opposition, which is now fighting a war on two fronts, severely outmanned and outgunned by both extremist groups and the regime. There is increasing evidence that Assad is working with ISIS to squash the Free Syrian Army."

[gurey25]

ISIS is less of a threat than the so called "free syrian army" because it does not have secure bases in Turkey and Jordan to organize and recruit forces.
Nor do they have access to western aid.

If they allow ISIS to destroy or absorb the Syrian opposition, it faces no additional strategic risk but gains a new advantage.

The West will have to face the embarrassment of funding ISIS publicly, or withdraw support.
even covert aid is easy to expose, causing more embarrassment for the west,.

With western aid cut off or reduced, Assad can do something very simple and straight forward.

A small armoured and mechanized attack on Raqqa and and Invasion of western Iraq protected by air cover, through ISIS held roads all the way .
Its not too difficult you dont need to hold territory, all you need is regular raids on a large scale.
This cuts off acess to Iraqi sources of supply and funds.

This has already been suggested by Hezbollah, and the Iranians, they never got a chance to do this.

They do have these armour and mechanized assets, they are being retrained and equiped with Iranian assistance,
they just have only a couple of these units available to throw at ISIS in future,


Free Syrian army is a greater threat because of the larger manpower available, and weapons.
It does not matter that they cannot fight, for every one of Assads men killed 5-10 FSA die in every battle.
The problem is assad cannot afford to lose these men , even if he wins every battle.
The FSA can keep on losing 200 battles over the next 5 years and lose 100,000 fighting men and still win
due to a never ending supply on fighting men.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Apparently, 800 million USD worth of crude oil in the posession of ISIS is sold through Turkey. Seeing as ISIS is currently sitting on 1 billion USD worth of oil and gas, that's roughly 80% of the oil. These niggas are resourceful.

[grandpakhalif]

gurey the problem is saudi is supporting millions to ISIS who will strong arm saudis? no one

[gurey25]

gurey the problem is saudi is supporting millions to ISIS who will strong arm saudis? no one

saudis only primed the pump.
ISIS does not require Saudi money, they have lucrative oil deals with assad and turkey.

[saacJabshee]

ISIS is less of a threat than the so called "free syrian army" because it does not have secure bases in Turkey and Jordan to organize and recruit forces.
Nor do they have access to western aid.

If they allow ISIS to destroy or absorb the Syrian opposition, it faces no additional strategic risk but gains a new advantage.

The West will have to face the embarrassment of funding ISIS publicly, or withdraw support.
even covert aid is easy to expose, causing more embarrassment for the west,.

With western aid cut off or reduced, Assad can do something very simple and straight forward.

A small armoured and mechanized attack on Raqqa and and Invasion of western Iraq protected by air cover, through ISIS held roads all the way .
Its not too difficult you dont need to hold territory, all you need is regular raids on a large scale.
This cuts off acess to Iraqi sources of supply and funds.

This has already been suggested by Hezbollah, and the Iranians, they never got a chance to do this.

They do have these armour and mechanized assets, they are being retrained and equiped with Iranian assistance,
they just have only a couple of these units available to throw at ISIS in future,


Free Syrian army is a greater threat because of the larger manpower available, and weapons.
It does not matter that they cannot fight, for every one of Assads men killed 5-10 FSA die in every battle.
The problem is assad cannot afford to lose these men , even if he wins every battle.
The FSA can keep on losing 200 battles over the next 5 years and lose 100,000 fighting men and still win
due to a never ending supply on fighting men.

I dont agree with that. Have you seen the fsa's weapons. Most of them have ak's, rpg and small mortar. Only a small number of highly and thoroughly vetted fsa men have good anti tank weapons. There is a video on vice about opposition complaining about lack of weapons to face assad. I completely understand America and the west giving weapons to small number of fighters they trust. Laakin why is that Turkey, saudi and qatar are dishing out ak's and small useless arms against assad army.

[gurey25]

the problem my friend is that FSA is fake.
there are over a 100 different groups fighting assad, some say its closer to 200.

allot of them are corrupt and useless.

me and you can form a cyberjihadist group online, make a few videos,
then approach the saudis for aid.
we can say we have recuited 300 men and are ready to fight.
300 men startup of $20,000 each.

an easy $6mill.

are you in.

allot of these groups do not fight , they sell their weapons, or fight other groups kill them take their assests, and their women
and sell them on the black market.
several mafia groups have already done this and are miliking the jihadi business.

This is why they will get absorbed by ISIS in the next 18 months.

[saacJabshee]

I never thought it like that

But gurey dont you think the west along with saudi and turkey should train fighters in Jordan that they trust but then give the good weapons that can bleed assad tanks? have like a proper hq command aswell. Because right now it looks like half a job and alot of fighters are accusing their financial backers of doing half a job.

[gurey25]

The west have a core group of jihadists that were trained and based in baniyas base Jordan since 2009, waiting for the oppurtunity to go in.
The arab spring gave them that chance.
The problem is that initial group of well trained men lost cohesion from losses on the battlefield, the battles around darca were a full scale battle.

The west then got swarmed with tens of thousands of volunteers, they did not have the resources to train them, so they just gave them an AK some ammo clips and pointed them that way.

This is the problem, there are some groups that have the knowhow and training and now experience and weapons , plus a steady supply from the western intelligence paid for by Saudia, but they are outnumbered by the tens of thousands of miskeen jihadis or downright criminial elements with zero training
weapons or ability.

The west cannot just hand out weapons to those groups, because they will simply lose it to assads men, or the ISIS, or more likely sell it to them.

[saacJabshee]

Wallahi it's chaotic meesha. This is why I think the war shouldnt have started in the first place