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nigga please, what do you mean by saying "every islamic topic"? i only post on the ones that interest me and this one certainly did btw.

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this are the rules of posting according to one the mods,

I don't see anywhere telling me that I should not "challenge" Islam as you said or give my opinion on the topics i want. .

visious wrote:If Allah revealed himself there would be no one going to hell for internity because of confusion and disbelief.

but he never will!

he also never revealed himself to the people before us. he only sent "Messengers" to tell people that he existed.

don't take offence but how do you know these "Messengers" (where most of them were poor) weren't just smart guys who want to raise their standards in the communities they are from by calling themselves "prophets of God" .

wouldn't you have done the same?

The Prophets were offered worldly riches to stop their preaching. They still continued. They under came terrible circumstances, some were even killed. If a person just wanted to raise their standings, they would've started their preaching and when they were offered money, power, etc. they would have stopped. But they continued even bringing hardship to themselves. Being isolated from their families, their communities and bringing bodily harm to themselves.

visious wrote:If Allah revealed himself there would be no one going to hell for internity because of confusion and disbelief.

but he never will!

he also never revealed himself to the people before us. he only sent "Messengers" to tell people that he existed.

don't take offence but how do you know these "Messengers" (where most of them were poor) weren't just smart guys who want to raise their standards in the communities they are from by calling themselves "prophets of God" .

wouldn't you have done the same?

All prophets came with miracles that people living in their communities didn't posses. Whatever the magicians could do the prophets could do something more amazing however this wasn't magic and they'd say it comes from allah.

Hodan94 wrote:

thehappyone wrote:i dont understand miracles and signs, why doesnt God just reveal himself, dont get me wrong, im a religious person, but i dont understand the thought process of people that believe in signs of god

why don't u ask that question when u meet the allah swt the creator

THO: The sight of your Creator is the highest privilege any human being can ever experience, and not to be taken so lightly. Hence I understand Hodan's reactoin. And although you said that it was a rhtorical question, I will answer it anyway so that we may all benefit in shaa Allah.

Only the people in Jannah will be able to see Allah subxaanahu wa tacaalaa, after He asks them "Oh people of Jannah, do you feel you have been rewarded sufficiently for your sacrifices in Dunya?". The people of Jannah will reply "Many more times than we could ever imagine yaa Allah". Then Allah will say "Can there be a reward higher than that?", and He lifts the veil that separates Allah from his creation whilst making the noor of Allah safe for the people of Jannah. Hence, the highest reward and privelege is reer Jannah seeing the face of Allah, maalinta ay nuur ilaahay tiisa mooyaani aanay jirin, oo hadh ilaahay kiisa mooyaani aanuu jirin. May Allah reward his with such a privelege reer SNet, aamiin.

Forgot to add: people who know this hadiith or riwaaya of the hadiith better, please feel free to correct me. My mistakes are my own & the shaydaan's, and any correct information is from Allah SWT.

Shirib and Sacjab i agree with both of you. Most religious and history books potray prophets as wonderful human beigns who sometimes do miracles. I can't deny that at all.

However it doesn't take anything away from my first point that is,

If Allah showed himself there will be 1 religion. It will not take away His divinity or anything it will just take away all the confusion about religion going on in the world right now .

People are confused over which religion is correct or wrong. Hell, even muslims are divided into so many sects each claiming to be the true one.

You and me both know that it is easy for Allah to show himself clear everything up and save everyone from hellfire.

If God had wanted he could have made everyone Muslim. But this life is a test, and humans unlike Angels were given the power of free will. You have the power to choose for yourself and God has given you ample reason to believe, but for those who do not believe in their arrogance they demand to see God himself. That's some nerve. They don't deserve to see God and his majesty. That is only reserved for those who were good enough to believe when they couldn't see.

visious wrote:
If Allah showed himself there will be 1 religion. It will not take away His divinity or anything it will just take away all the confusion about religion going on in the world right now .

Do you have future knowledge as a fact on what people would do if they saw Allah? How do you know there wouldn't be disbelievers after Allah revealing Himself?

Do you realise that the tribe of Israel were given direct proofs and signs from Allah and many still rebelled thereafter? Human greed's at fault.

According to you, if something was true it wouldn't be confusing or divisive, tell me why if atheism is true there are many divisions? Also how do you come to know what is truth and what is good and evil without using your personal views?

Being an atheist is the new black I see.

Shirib wrote:If God had wanted he could have made everyone Muslim. But this life is a test, and humans unlike Angels were given the power of free will. You have the power to choose for yourself and God has given you ample reason to believe, but for those who do not believe in their arrogance they demand to see God himself. That's some nerve. They don't deserve to see God and his majesty. That is only reserved for those who were good enough to believe when they couldn't see.

there is no free will sxb . If there is free will then this hadith would not have existed

Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle, the truthful and truly-inspired, said, "Each one of you collected in the womb of his mother for forty days, and then turns into a clot for an equal period (of forty days) and turns into a piece of flesh for a similar period (of forty days) and then Allah sends an angel and orders him to write four things, i.e., his provision, his age, and whether he will be of the wretched or the blessed (in the Hereafter). Then the soul is breathed into him. And by Allah, a person among you (or a man) may do deeds of the people of the Fire till there is only a cubit or an arm-breadth distance between him and the Fire, but then that writing (which Allah has ordered the angel to write) precedes, and he does the deeds of the people of Paradise and enters it; and a man may do the deeds of the people of Paradise till there is only a cubit or two between him and Paradise, and then that writing precedes and he does the deeds of the people of the Fire and enters it." (Book #77, Hadith #593)

Allah has destined you to hell / heaven in the womb! so before you were even born Allah has already decided your fate. How is this free will . you don't even get a chance to choose!

Expresso wrote:

visious wrote:
If Allah showed himself there will be 1 religion. It will not take away His divinity or anything it will just take away all the confusion about religion going on in the world right now .

Do you have future knowledge as a fact on what people would do if they saw Allah? How do you know there wouldn't be disbelievers after Allah revealing Himself?

Do you realise that the tribe of Israel were given direct proofs and signs from Allah and many still rebelled thereafter? Human greed's at fault.

According to you, if something was true it wouldn't be confusing or divisive, tell me why if atheism is true there are many divisions? Also how do you come to know what is truth and what is good and evil without using your personal views?

yes I am 100% certain that there will be no disbelievers if Allah showed up. No one disputes or argues over the existence of Oxygen, The Sun , The moon etc

"Atheist" Is just a label that I hate and don't want to use . I am just a human being. You can't change that neither can you make that into many divisions in anyway ,can you?

viscous,

God's knowledge is divine and he know's what will happen, but it doesn't change the fact that you have free will. I'm typing this up myself, I am not being forced by anyone. When I get on a city bus, I know where it is going, I know where it will turn and where it will stop. But I am not controlling the bus driver. He has his free will to do what he wants. God doesn't make you do good or evil, that is on the human, he just knows.

The topic has many books written on it and videos explaining it through out Islamic history. If you're interested you can read more into it.

But surely you know and it is clear for everyone to see that humans have free will and make their own decisions.

visious wrote:
yes I am 100% certain that there will be no disbelievers if Allah showed up. No one disputes or argues over the existence of Oxygen, The Sun , The moon etc

"Atheist" Is just a label that I hate and don't want to use . I am just a human being. You can't change that neither can you make that into many divisions in anyway ,can you?

Wait, you are 100% certain that there would be no disbelievers based on what? Zero scientific proof ? Isn't that faith my friend?

I was trying to show you that humans err and divide on their views but it doesn't affect truth. Truth always stands alone, so we can't say that Allah's religion is not true because of human error and division. Even outside religion,atheists cannot agree on their views.

@Hodan thanks for this thread..

Ladies and Gents what you must understand is that the martyrs are the Heart of Allah, they are just random guys who are willing to fight, for the right cause. but there lord never betrayes them..




everybody will remain in the graves except shuhada they will make the famous journey into the unseen right away after their souls leave there worldly body into Paradise right away. the only people in Paradise right now as we speak are only shuhada

Expresso wrote:

visious wrote:
yes I am 100% certain that there will be no disbelievers if Allah showed up. No one disputes or argues over the existence of Oxygen, The Sun , The moon etc

"Atheist" Is just a label that I hate and don't want to use . I am just a human being. You can't change that neither can you make that into many divisions in anyway ,can you?

Wait, you are 100% certain that there would be no disbelievers based on what? Zero scientific proof ? Isn't that faith my friend?

I was trying to show you that humans err and divide on their views but it doesn't affect truth. Truth always stands alone, so we can't say that Allah's religion is not true because of human error and division. Even outside religion,atheists cannot agree on their views.

what scientific proof? if you can see something for yourself why would you say it doesn't exist. its no rocket science. I can see this computer, a chair there , few buildings outside and the clouds . do I have any reason to say that those things don't exist?

Human Beings don't agree with many things yes but remove religion and people will have 1 less thing to disagree / argue / even fight over.

It seems you don't see my point. Physical, scientific proof that in the future people will not disbelieve even after seeing Allah. I said science because it's your method of reaching truth.



You personally may not have reason to not believe what you see, but it is likely that many will try to explain away Allah's revelation as hallucinations, cloud formation, some thing other than Allah. Due to human error/rebellious nature etc.



Well anyone can say, remove disbelief or atheism and leave only believers, and we'll have 1 less thing to fight over.