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Shariif is beyond History, not sure what You mean by back. He presided during an era We will all rather forget (Dawlad La'aan era). Sadly though Gov hasn't really took hold in Somalia under this Gov either but hopefully by 2016 at least the Country will all be in the hands of the Gov and then it will be a matter of getting rid of AMISOM.



The next President I think will be Educated, Very Secular and out of the blue I think.

Non Hawiyes how do you feel if hawiye becomes president again ? This ques is directed particularly at southern Darood (Marehan) aka not kablalah

Sharif is a reconciliatory figure and i welcome his return back to politics.

Murax wrote:Educated, in touch with the world, Pioneers like the PM Abdiwali, Farmaajo, etc. should continue to have a role in Somalia's leadership. A simple Man, with no idea how the world works like Shariif should have zero role.

Adeer maa iska dhahdid Mareexaan. Being educated does not mean the job will get done. Your uncle Barre washed Italian boots for a living and declared Somalia a Marxist state when he probably never knew Karl Marx' first name Yet you won't hold him to the same judgement.

AbdiWeli Prozac, Fatboy Omar on the other hand were 'educated' but its apparent today they were just clan pawns furthering their tribal interests by undermining the current government at every turn.

Sharif had many misgivings but I will not allow you to have a go at him with those double standard opinions.

Marques wrote:

Murax wrote:Educated, in touch with the world, Pioneers like the PM Abdiwali, Farmaajo, etc. should continue to have a role in Somalia's leadership. A simple Man, with no idea how the world works like Shariif should have zero role.

Adeer maa iska dhahdid Mareexaan. Being educated does not mean the job will get done. Your uncle Barre washed Italian boots for a living and declared Somalia a Marxist state when he probably never knew Karl Marx' first name Yet you won't hold him to the same judgement.

AbdiWeli Prozac, Fatboy Omar on the other hand were 'educated' but its apparent today they were just clan pawns furthering their tribal interests by undermining the current government at every turn.

Sharif had many misgivings but I will not allow you to have a go at him with those double standard opinions.

Very well put.

I have noticed also how even the once who claim not be tribalist use words like ''educated'' ''Pioneers'' towards any Darod leaders and words like ''simple'' ''uneducated'' towards Hawiye leaders, whilst in the same breath ululating for their messiah Barre Hurrale a proper village idiot. If Marexaan had educated leaders why dont they lead them instead of this old man in the bush.

Marques wrote:

Murax wrote:Educated, in touch with the world, Pioneers like the PM Abdiwali, Farmaajo, etc. should continue to have a role in Somalia's leadership. A simple Man, with no idea how the world works like Shariif should have zero role.

Adeer maa iska dhahdid Mareexaan. Being educated does not mean the job will get done. Your uncle Barre washed Italian boots for a living and declared Somalia a Marxist state when he probably never knew Karl Marx' first name Yet you won't hold him to the same judgement.

AbdiWeli Prozac, Fatboy Omar on the other hand were 'educated' but its apparent today they were just clan pawns furthering their tribal interests by undermining the current government at every turn.

Sharif had many misgivings but I will not allow you to have a go at him with those double standard opinions.

When You're educated, but surrounded by people with no degree, who sign papers by making marks instead of writing and the like then Your education could only take You so far. Shariif went to a College to learn English (Not even get a degree) after He presided as President while Farmaajo was working as a Commissioner for the Buffalo Municipal Housing Authority, while Prime Minister Abdiwali was a Finance Executive With the Islamic Bank before becoming PM. In Cumar Cabdirashid I see another educated Man, who had a great career working for the UN and is now Your Ambassador serving America. Between Shariif and those 3 I see a Guy in Shariif who is not even qualified to work in a Somali Xawaalad while I see Guys with credentials in those two. If You want to cheerlead a Man with no education I'll flip the question to You maad adiga Hawiye iska dhahdid?



I have nothing against Shariif's clan, and if He was someone who was worthy of position I wouldn't say a word.

Fuck all of them! They were western puppets. If only the ICU was allowed to organically develop into a model Islamic State.

Murax wrote:

Marques wrote:

Murax wrote:Educated, in touch with the world, Pioneers like the PM Abdiwali, Farmaajo, etc. should continue to have a role in Somalia's leadership. A simple Man, with no idea how the world works like Shariif should have zero role.

Adeer maa iska dhahdid Mareexaan. Being educated does not mean the job will get done. Your uncle Barre washed Italian boots for a living and declared Somalia a Marxist state when he probably never knew Karl Marx' first name Yet you won't hold him to the same judgement.

AbdiWeli Prozac, Fatboy Omar on the other hand were 'educated' but its apparent today they were just clan pawns furthering their tribal interests by undermining the current government at every turn.

Sharif had many misgivings but I will not allow you to have a go at him with those double standard opinions.

When You're educated, but surrounded by people with no degree, who sign papers by making marks instead of writing and the like then Your education could only take You so far. Shariif went to a College to learn English (Not even get a degree) after He presided as President while Farmaajo was working as a Commissioner for the Buffalo Municipal Housing Authority, while Prime Minister Abdiwali was a Finance Executive With the Islamic Bank before becoming PM. In Cumar Cabdirashid I see another educated Man, who had a great career working for the UN and is now Your Ambassador serving America. Between Shariif and those 3 I see a Guy in Shariif who is not even qualified to work in a Somali Xawaalad while I see Guys with credentials in those two. If You want to cheerlead a Man with no education I'll flip the question to You maad adiga Hawiye iska dhahdid?



I have nothing against Shariif's clan, and if He was someone who was worthy of position I wouldn't say a word.

Murax I have a question for you


If these guys you mentioned are so educated why are they not leading your clan. Why is the leader of your clan Barre Huraale as under educated as Shariif and why is never brought up but dismissed with he got some degree from some defunct communist country that can't be proven. Even if its true he is not as educated as these western educated leaders you are peddling...

zumaale wrote:Fuck all of them! They were western puppets. If only the ICU was allowed to organically develop into a model Islamic State.

One was the head of that ragtag group who pledged to 'fight gaalo' only to be guarded by gaalo troops 24/7, so Yea.

skywalker25 wrote:[


Murax I have a question for you


If these guys you mentioned are so educated why are they not leading your clan. Why is the leader of your clan Barre Huraale as under educated as Shariif and why is never brought up but dismissed with he got some degree from some defunct communist country that can't be proven. Even if its true he is not as educated as these western educated leaders you are peddling...

I know reading might be a chore for You, but the issue in question was Your Somali Presidents/PM's and their qualifications, We were not discussing who has the most educated 'clan leader'.

Murax wrote:

skywalker25 wrote:[


Murax I have a question for you


If these guys you mentioned are so educated why are they not leading your clan. Why is the leader of your clan Barre Huraale as under educated as Shariif and why is never brought up but dismissed with he got some degree from some defunct communist country that can't be proven. Even if its true he is not as educated as these western educated leaders you are peddling...

I know reading might be a chore for You, but the issue in question was Your Somali Presidents/PM's and their qualifications, We were not discussing who has the most educated 'clan leader'.

Typical, my reading is perfect its your hypocrisy thats blinding you

You dismiss the merits of my point because it clearly shows your tribal allegiance as subtle as it may be.

Let your educated leader lead your people and show the world what educated leader can do. But if you are happy with barre Huraale and his communist credentials, you have no right to criticise Shariif...

Murax, Sharif was turned after the ICU were defeated and I agree he was no saint. I made my initial remark in reference to the ideals espoused by the ICU administration. They were definitely not without flaws but given time, they might have created an administration that could regulate the anarchistic tendencies of Somali society. Representative government and Somalis is an oxymoron due to medieval nature of our society, clan before the good of the nation.

skywalker25 wrote:

Murax wrote:

skywalker25 wrote:[


Murax I have a question for you


If these guys you mentioned are so educated why are they not leading your clan. Why is the leader of your clan Barre Huraale as under educated as Shariif and why is never brought up but dismissed with he got some degree from some defunct communist country that can't be proven. Even if its true he is not as educated as these western educated leaders you are peddling...

I know reading might be a chore for You, but the issue in question was Your Somali Presidents/PM's and their qualifications, We were not discussing who has the most educated 'clan leader'.

Typical, my reading is perfect its your hypocrisy thats blinding you

You dismiss the merits of my point because it clearly shows your tribal allegiance as subtle as it may be.

Let your educated leader lead your people and show the world what educated leader can do. But if you are happy with barre Huraale and his communist credentials, you have no right to criticise Shariif...

My clan has 2 Ugaas's they are the tribal leaders. Other then that, We had two Guys in National Positions (Farmaajo, Abdiwali) that We were discussing here, that the world recognizes as Your leaders. Its not physics.

sahal80 wrote:

is it just me or does he look like a nigerian priest...

Jalal, behave yourself. No Hawiye are Bantu remarks, the esteemed Mr Sharif was good for us SDR. The man next to him is Surre, his name is Awliyo. Hope Gen Dhegabadan returns with him if he stands for election and wins in 2016.

When Sh. Xassan Turki was asked on the radio the last whereabouts of the ICU leader Sh. Sharif

he said "He told us he would try to fetch water for his men in the bushes"

next day the nigga surfaced in the US Embassy in Nairobi



and the rest is history