The Isaaq Compound

[theyuusuf143]

Developing our traditional xeer is something I do agree with hawdian. I have different but similar realistic oppinion. How about if we turn our tradional leaders as members of our next House of Guurti ? Our future clan leaders wont be same as the current ones, there will be more well educated and well groomed clan leaders, so there is no need to elect our next guurti as other Political MPs. Next Guurti must be from 3 defferent sections.

1.shuyuukh (culimada like dirir)
2. Caltural (abwanada like hadrawi)
3. Clan leaders ( sultans garads etc)


We must intervene every clan xeer, and create national clans law. New sultans can not emerge without the approval of sultanka guud. if one sultan garad or ugas dies who will replace ? Can women be crowned as clan leader ? The national clans law/xeer can answer those questions.

[theyuusuf143]

Tribe and modern state won't work it has been tried many times in different countries, countries have collapsed. The problem with us Somali's is we tend to always go trough the "trial and error" path instead of researching other countries.

Clan system is the best system in the world, it just needs to be adapted and developed. I give you one example why we have not seen any clan related national political chaos in Somalia last 8 years ? the 4.5 formula is actually homemade and million times better than Somaliland or western style mult party system. Somalia should never ever replace that unique system hiigsiga 2016 waa dhaan dabagaale, it will cause more isqabqabsi, minorities will loose more rights.

[Somaliwaste]

Tribe and modern state won't work it has been tried many times in different countries, countries have collapsed. The problem with us Somali's is we tend to always go trough the "trial and error" path instead of researching other countries.

Clan system is the best system in the world, it just needs to be adapted and developed. I give you one example why we have not seen any clan related national political chaos in Somalia last 8 years ? the 4.5 formula is actually homemade and million times better than Somaliland or western style mult party system. Somalia should never ever replace that unique system hiigsiga 2016 waa dhaan dabagaale, it will cause more isqabqabsi, minorities will loose more rights.

lmao f-king troll

[Hodan94]

Tribe and modern state won't work it has been tried many times in different countries, countries have collapsed. The problem with us Somali's is we tend to always go trough the "trial and error" path instead of researching other countries.

Clan system is the best system in the world, it just needs to be adapted and developed. I give you one example why we have not seen any clan related national political chaos in Somalia last 8 years ? the 4.5 formula is actually homemade and million times better than Somaliland or western style mult party system. Somalia should never ever replace that unique system hiigsiga 2016 waa dhaan dabagaale, it will cause more isqabqabsi, minorities will loose more rights.

[theyuusuf143]

©Somaliwaste

You may not agree but the 4.5 system is really the most suitable system in our clan based Society. Europeans have no clans they have classes so their parties are purely class based, its hard to see poor man voting for the British Conservative party because he is defferent from their qabil or class they will take some of his rights and give to their own rich people. Its like if Somalis with camels form their own party and Somalis with cows have their own party too, the ones with the cows would defenitely try their best to keep camel foot out of their Grass.

Alxamdulilaah we have no the above problem , we just need to accept that are clasless clan based society. western style solution is completely not our solution.

[Togdeer]

©Somaliwaste

You may not agree but the 4.5 system is really the most suitable system in our clan based Society. Europeans have no clans they have classes so their parties are purely class based, its hard to see poor man voting for the British Conservative party because he is defferent from their qabil or class they will take some of his rights and give to their own rich people. Its like if Somalis with camels form their own party and Somalis with cows have their own party too, the ones with the cows would defenitely try their best to keep camel foot out of their Grass.

Alxamdulilaah we have no the above problem , we just need to accept that are clasless clan based society. western style solution is completely not our solution.

Wrong, Class system is the way forward.
Somaliland is turning to a class state, but it is talking longer than expected because Qabil plays a bigger role in politics.
Let these old guys in the Guurti and Parliment retire. As soon as the next generation of politicians come, then the qabil card would be useless.
I welcome the idea of keeping the rich with the rich, the poor with the poor, the wadaad with the wadaad, the saaqid with the saaqid, and the daqancilis with the daqancelis and the farax with the farax...

[theyuusuf143]

Togdeer

Somalis Cant be Class based society, because you cant even make money without direct or indirect protection from your clan or clan affiliates. You cant be political leader without your clan support first. You are not safe any where outside your clan territory except some qurbaha countries. Look the top ten somali rich or leaders every man lives his own home town in the middle of his clan.

their homes are next to other poor people from the same clan, they are not afraid to be robbed killed or abducted because they are 100% automatically secure with their clansmen no matter if they are poor or rich. you dont even need to have some provissional bodyguard, your clan are more loyal and caring than any other human, because they feel your wealth or leadership belongs to them which is practically true.

[Somaliwaste]

Wrong, Class system is the way forward.
Somaliland is turning to a class state, but it is talking longer than expected because Qabil plays a bigger role in politics.
Let these old guys in the Guurti and Parliment retire. As soon as the next generation of politicians come, then the qabil card would be useless.
I welcome the idea of keeping the rich with the rich, the poor with the poor, the wadaad with the wadaad, the saaqid with the saaqid, and the daqancilis with the daqancelis and the farax with the farax...

[ZubeirAwal]

Wonderful idea hawdian, once I complete my deeni studies insha allah, I wouldn't mind teaching at such a place, Pure ashari, ghazalian Islamic thought that will increase the intelligence of our people.

[Somaliwaste]

Wallahi the jahiilnimo is serious while they live on welfare in a Western country. Think of serious ways that Somaliland and the people can benefit of. Think of ways we can turn Somaliland into a real qarran and empower the cohesion , this stupid compound concept is an idea for underachievers to live off the riches of their kinsmen.

[nord]

Zubeir, are you a suufi?

[ZubeirAwal]

Yes, I am a student of Imam Ghazali, Imam Suyuti, Imam Abdullah Al Hadad, the Ahlul tasawuf from the Shafi'i madhab.

[nord]

What do you learn from them? (no offence) but they had very little knowledge of hadith which is similar to the situation of the ordinary Muslim, who cannot distinguish between a hadith which is regarded as sahih and mutawatir according to the scholars of hadith, and a hadith which is fabricated and false. Their books bear witness to that, often quoting fabricated hadith, for they contain strange things and most of these scholars of ‘ilm al-kalam (science of kalam) and Sufis who have drifted away from the path of the salaf admit that, either at the time of death or before death. There are many such well-known stories. Abu Hamid al-Ghazali, despite his brilliance, his devotion to Allah, his knowledge of kalam and philosophy, his asceticism and spiritual practices and his Sufism, ended up in a state of confusion and resorted to the path of those who claim to find out things through dreams and spiritual methods.

[ZubeirAwal]

I can agree with you that Imam Ghazali Rahimahullah was not a Muhaddith (master of the hadith sciences) however his teacher Imam Juwayni (R.A) who was called the Imam of the Haramain due to his immense knowledge was , and Imam Ghazali's magnum opus " Ihya 3ulumuddin" is said to be the greatest book man has ever written, and people have also said (hypothetically) " If the Qur'an was to leave us, the Ihya would suffice!", his combined knowledge of logic and rhetoric, as well as his experiences with living and studying under Sufis at the latter part of his life is what lead to him making a excellent relation between excessiveness in eating food and the consequences it has with sexual desires, polluted mind etc...

Imam Jalaluddin Suyuti, who was also of the Shafi'i school was a Sufi, and he authored countless books, famous ones like Al Haawi Wal Fataawi, and Tafsir Jalalayn, the original Sufi creed fall under the Ahlul Sunnah, and they (I mean the likes mentioned above) just as muslim as you and I, perhaps even better.