Hashimite Marker has been identified

[sahal80]

The prophet was j1 how he was african?

Arabs question only whether if he was J1 or j2

He was semitic and the majorty of semites carry either j,J1 or J2

There are many people in the world who claim being from the line of the prophet scw and being saada just bc they mixed the sufism with with clan

Most of these fake hashimites are found in iraq, iran like al siisani who rules iraq in this name though he's farisi!

Too much of them in asia

Kings of marocco have a sufism/mahdiya origins from tariqa al calawiya that even can be found in warsheekh

Not real hashimites

http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B3%D9% ... 9%8A%D9%86

Only in jordan because sharif abdallah sharif of maka in the 18 century is the great great great granfather of king abdalla al tani of jordan

After losing maka for the ottomans they moved to jordan and have ruled iraq too under king faisal.

[Khalid Ali]

J1 originated in Russia , we dont know the exact Haplogroup of Abdelmanaf the grandfather or Muhammad the prophet of Islam.
it is true some sufi tariqas trace their lineage . but there are some iranians Sayidi, ama Saa'dati. Imam and Sheikh abdelkhader Gilani be one of them he was hassani and husseini hassani on his father side and Husseini on his mother side.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Jeez these guys are like bastards looking for their daddy. Zubeir awal you are not an arab stop begging, it only makes you look pathetic. 95% of somalis are e1b1b and T haplogroups. If anything, it's the other way around the arabs descend from us.

[Caesar]

J1 originated in Russia , we dont know the exact Haplogroup of Abdelmanaf the grandfather or Muhammad the prophet of Islam.
it is true some sufi tariqas trace their lineage . but there are some iranians Sayidi, ama Saa'dati. Imam and Sheikh abdelkhader Gilani be one of them he was hassani and husseini hassani on his father side and Husseini on his mother side.

We do, can't you read english?
I just posted proof he was J1. Everyone else who is not J1 is shegaato.

[eliteSomali]

J1 originated in Russia , we dont know the exact Haplogroup of Abdelmanaf the grandfather or Muhammad the prophet of Islam.
it is true some sufi tariqas trace their lineage . but there are some iranians Sayidi, ama Saa'dati. Imam and Sheikh abdelkhader Gilani be one of them he was hassani and husseini hassani on his father side and Husseini on his mother side.

Abdul munaf was not the prophet's grandfather(pbuh). Abdul Munaf was where Banu Hashim and Banu abdu shams aka banu ummayah met. Abdul munaf would be the prophet's 3rd grandfather.



Back to the topic: So why does this matter again? What benefit is it to any of you if you found out, and you probably never will, you were related to the prophet? Need I remind of you that the prophet's uncle will go to hell and the prophet won't be able to do a thing for him? Y'all need to chill out.

[Caesar]

Exactly, Deeg will not save you on the last day, but who will tell the Shegaato thinking being arab is being the ultimate Muslim... do the Jahil stay Jahil? Even pharaoh repented..

[ZubeirAwal]

Liquid, I will not respond to your emotional trajectory , my words will fly over your head. That the Hashemites are a confederation is no secret, and despite the pan somalists who believe somalis are homogeneous , the truth is, the northern part of the horn of Africa was historically a cross cultural region, so to make a blanket statement that 99% of somalis are e1b1b1 is ignorance . The dna tests done on thew few hundred qaxootis do not reflect the 15 million somalis living in the horn. As for myself, several coincidences in my abtirsi force me to consider the possibility that indeeed the isaaq clan is a confederation of three groups. I won't dismiss this because of the wailing of a langaab cisse or a uncle ruckus somali such as yourself

[sahal80]

Saying the prophet was Eb is big insult

Not bc some thing is wrong with being african but bc of distorting his lineage!

Sayidna ibrahim was probably J2 he was from north of iraq where this haplogroup was originated

According to the religions, between sayidna ibrahim and sayidna mohamed are 10,000 years

People can be hashimite by traditions but not all are correct by lineage

Al mahdiyia, al calawiya, al jaylaniya, al fatimiya, al zaydia all were politically pro- imam ali than his true offsprings

The other reason is to get the legitimacy of ruling the common people in the name of the prophet

Islimic mad-habs except abu hanifa who was persian support the imam to be from quraysh

Its the same reason why barqash was ruling xamar from zinjibar by telling the local tribes that he's from the prophets family!.

Many people in the world also claim yemen. A yemeni proverb says kula man laa asla lahu yaqoolu asli minal yaman

[Caesar]

Liquid, I will not respond to your emotional trajectory , my words will fly over your head. That the Hashemites are a confederation is no secret, and despite the pan somalists who believe somalis are homogeneous , the truth is, the northern part of the horn of Africa was historically a cross cultural region, so to make a blanket statement that 99% of somalis are e1b1b1 is ignorance . The dna tests done on thew few hundred qaxootis do not reflect the 15 million somalis living in the horn. As for myself, several coincidences in my abtirsi force me to consider the possibility that indeeed the isaaq clan is a confederation of three groups. I won't dismiss this because of the wailing of a langaab cisse or a uncle ruckus somali such as yourself

I would say the Hashimites are langaab in a way since they have a lot of Shegaato

anyways proven marker was J1 do you carry it?

[sahal80]

I believe that somalis have mixed with south-semites/arabs/north africans/asians but not as new clans rather the same clans absorbing some elements from these regions.

Somali race was always there in the whole horn and parts of kenya.

[Caesar]

The arab minorities are known. They were treated like shit lol. Anyways I made a thread you all might be interested about the initial somali rejection of arabism.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Now this kid is trying obfuscate the argument with pointless truisms. Nigga I don't care if arabs are all descended from one ancestor or they are clan confederacies - that has nothing to do with you not being an arab. If some khaliji king has e1b1b that just means tbat his ancestors 1000s of years ago came from the horn. The e1b1b haplogroup is found all over western asia, north africa and southern europe.

Uncle Ruckus is the one willing to bend reality to fit his low self-esteem and obsession with arabs.

[ZubeirAwal]

No one is bending reality, the question one has to ask is what makes the jordanians any more authentic than the qassimi's of the khaleej? You see, islam doesn't identifty clans by DNA they identify my nasab/abtirsi, there is no 'begging' or 'worshipping' arabs, the evidence simply cannot be dismissed due to the trajectory of some pan-somalists and uncle ruckus somalis who want somalis to abandon integral parts of their culture in turn for industrialism.

[sahal80]

In this site no one knows arab culture more than me!

Firstly I think many in here need to learn what's arabic!

Common somalis think they are arabs by nasab wich is absolutely wrong

Any somali clan have had its share of arabic elements but that doesn't make each clan being an arab clan!

That why you can find arabic looking people in every clan but not a whole subclan let alone one clan!

In sudan yes there are many arab clans and ther DNA proves that they are half arabs 45%

They speak arabic

When ibnu khalsun was there he wrote about al juhayma arabs in sudan

But when they where in somalia they talk about dark berbers

These are the real quraysh people
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/qu ... n=yresults

This is the arabic peninsulas haplogroupe not the Eb lol

Haplogroup J-M267 (Y-DNA)
Haplogroup J-M267[Phylogenetics 2] defined by the M267 SNP is in modern times most frequent in the Arabian Peninsula: Yemen (up to 76%),[5] Saudi (up to 64%) (Alshamali 2009), Qatar (58%),[6] and Dagestan (up to 56%).[4] J-M267 is generally frequent among Arab Bedouins (62%),[7] Ashkenazi Jews (20%) (Semino 2004), Algeria (up to 35%) (Semino 2004), Iraq (up to 33%) (Semino 2004), Tunisia (up to 31%),[8] Syria (up to 30%), Egypt (up to 20%) (Luis 2004), and the Sinai Peninsula. To

[Caesar]

Again the proven Hashimite marker is J1, everyone else who do not carry this marker are Shegaato. What's new?