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Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:32 pm
by Substance
Khalid Ali wrote:
Xassan can only go if the parliament turns against him can the parliament turn against him Damuljadiid clique have strong grip over the parliament regarding of what qabil plus Qatari financial and political support. Damuljadid forms a shield over Xassan sheikh.
In the real context, damuljadiid is nothing(besides sahals bubble) and if it wish to remain in some form it will have to obey stakeholders beyond the somali political arena. The parliament will not be a safe heaven for the incompetent president. But im sure he will try that option.
Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:39 pm
by sahal80
Substance wrote:Khalid Ali wrote:
Xassan can only go if the parliament turns against him can the parliament turn against him Damuljadiid clique have strong grip over the parliament regarding of what qabil plus Qatari financial and political support. Damuljadid forms a shield over Xassan sheikh.
In the real context, damuljadiid is nothing(besides sahals bubble) and if it wish to remain in some form it will have to obey stakeholders beyond the somali political arena. The parliament will not be a safe heaven for the incompetent president. But im sure he will try that option.
wrong.
Parliament can't remove the president without the constitutional court being there who should approve!
Rememer in the last time the mps have wrote him to resign bc they can't!
No. The west doesnt know the pm, look how he was received in the uk by an official from the african department not even the FM let alone the pm!
On the other hand david cameron was blessing the president in their meeting in new york!
Facts take it as you like!.
Waiting our new pm Xalane!

Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:41 pm
by thegoodshepherd
Khalid Ali wrote:
Than strategically post 2016 it would be wise for Sheikh sharif if he becomes president in 2016 or another Abgaal to pick an MJ PM and re-coordinate the Mj and Abgaal alliance to go against the Marehaan like the 1960s. Xamar is more important than Kismayo its where the government is the parliament the central command of the army the embassies. You cant encircle Xamar politically the only way you can do that is if you can control the entire Jubbaland and have a strong force which heavily leans to Nairobi. But Amisom is there Kenyans and the Mogadishu government will do everything to remove the Kenyans from Somalia and Politically they are in a dispute with them for waters.
Khalid the whole point of having Kismayo is making Xamar politically irrelevant for Darood in the long run. In the long run, II care more about how we can make Xamar into just another city in the larger scheme of things. That is literally the whole point of Jubaland, a place where you can go instead of Xamar. If Abdiweli is fired, he will hopefully become President of Jubaland, leading to a much stronger federal state. It will also speed up the political transition away from Xamar. In ten years time, The Presidents of Jubaland and Puntland will be more powerful than what ever Darood is PM or President in Xamar

Basically secession in all but name

Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:57 pm
by Substance
sahal80 wrote:wrong.
Parliament can't remove the president without the constitutional court being there who should approve!
Rememer in the last time the mps have wrote him to resign bc they can't!
No. The west doesnt know the pm, look how he was received in the uk by an official from the african department not even the FM let alone the pm!
On the other hand david cameron was blessing the president in their meeting in new york!
Facts take it as you like!.
Waiting our new pm Xalane!

Thick as usual you need to widen your horizon and understand your dream of xalane as pm will never realize.
The clock is ticking for Hassan sheikh and damjadiid, they can make a deal with the PM or they will be floushed out, either alternativ is good news for Somalia and Abdiweli vision
Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:14 pm
by original dervish
Constitutional court?
As if the Somali state has any real governance and political procedures.
Hassan Sheikh came in on Qatari bag money and will remain with bag money.
The day the bag money runs out is the day we'll see the back of Hassan Sheikh.
Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:41 pm
by sahal80
original dervish wrote:Constitutional court?
As if the Somali state has any real governance and political procedures.
Hassan Sheikh came in on Qatari bag money and will remain with bag money.
The day the bag money runs out is the day we'll see the back of Hassan Sheikh.

of course the constitions is our reference!
President hassan has said back then he will not mind if the mps have a legal bases to impeach him!
Will be the last thing to be established see you in 2018

Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:19 pm
by sahal80
Substance wrote:sahal80 wrote:wrong.
Parliament can't remove the president without the constitutional court being there who should approve!
Rememer in the last time the mps have wrote him to resign bc they can't!
No. The west doesnt know the pm, look how he was received in the uk by an official from the african department not even the FM let alone the pm!
On the other hand david cameron was blessing the president in their meeting in new york!
Facts take it as you like!.
Waiting our new pm Xalane!

Thick as usual you need to widen your horizon and understand your dream of xalane as pm will never realize.

Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:23 pm
by Murax
Sahal still bitter about that useless Sanbalooshe Adeer of His who was removed from His post and now resorts to calacal online lol
Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:37 pm
by gurey25
Why are you sticking to the constitution from the 60's?
It was copied from Italians and is unsuitable for somalis, we are recreating the chaos of the 60's even post 2016 and you have political parties, expect the same.
Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:50 pm
by sahal80
Murax wrote:Sahal still bitter about that useless Sanbalooshe Adeer of His who was removed from His post and now resorts to calacal online lol
lol I never was pro-yuulka!
I'm very long-visioned and I was expecting that he will be an obstacle for the al mashrouc al markazi al watani!
I hope they can promote me from guest of govt to political advisor!
You guys should know this is the djs govt and that your adeer hasn't been elected to talk about his project
If you have given an oath how can you break it? Thanks, justice is with the right side he survive without his supposed protectors!.
Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:01 am
by original dervish
The oath is to the country & people......not individual corrupt politicians.

Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:31 am
by sahal80
original dervish wrote:The oath is to the country & people......not individual corrupt politicians.

OD
If you want tribalism don't come to this govt!
I don't mind yuulka taking his tribalism to elsewhere(he can go to kismayo or gedo and establish his tribal enclave in there but not in the govt)
We have passed that stage!
He started cooperating secretly with gandhi to bring back the old stages, he's bringing fish factory to kismayo from the UAE that will belong to him at the same time can make him win the local elections
He's copying abdi wali gaas!
Since sheikh madoobe has his doubts about his future political intetions and his new relations with gandhi who's his political rival he make a direct contacts with mogadishu!!
Yuulka has lost this game!
The US was also backing the president against pm-IGAD agenda of making parliament before a conference was held
Now the president has gone there!
According to my sources, in his diapora meetings with his subclan told him that he fucked up their relations with certain wich was the reason to have all these privileges in the govt and that he has to meet the banadir clan and change his policies quickly...
Some sources say prez hassan is shocked about him and his dark networks(gandhi=gaas) so the better he goes before...
Yuulka is simply the wrong guy, belongs to an old stage.
Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:53 am
by original dervish
You've just said this Govt is passes the tribal stage.....then proceeded to talk about Banadir clan, Gedo clan, Kismayo clan etc.
PS why are you upset that the UAE is going to invest in a fish factory for Kismayo?....Even going as far as slandering the PM, saying he intends to own it.

Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:32 pm
by Murax
It bothers Sahal that the PM actually functions as a PM and uses His powers to better the nation. What Sahal wants is some intern to take orders and be a yes man to Xassan Sh so he can have his clan in a better position. Typical Zoomali mentality
Re: Its official huge politcal rift between President and PM
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:46 pm
by sahal80
Murax wrote:It bothers Sahal that the PM actually functions as a PM and uses His powers to better the nation. What Sahal wants is some intern to take orders and be a yes man to Xassan Sh so he can have his clan in a better position. Typical Zoomali mentality
wrong again! I have no clan mentality to start with!
I'm Ideological person and I emphasize more on farah abdulqadir than any other official! Is he related to me? Lol
You said he don't want to be yes man though no one has said he's a yes man, politically speaking what papers has abdiwali to look powerful man? Is he from a place that's a key regional player? Puntland? Jubba?
If the pm was from puntland he would have hears in garowe!
If he was from jubba he would have hears from there!
The fact is that hassan shekh has more ears in kismayo than abdiwali!
Gedo is not a key regional player and I don't think he has a control on all its groups!
So he was POLITICALLY picked to avoid the regional players who are anti-central govt like holding conferences in garowe!
As abi adam, he didn't respect all the favour that he was given to him!
No one is worry about removing him and how, it just about how he disappointed his mates and damaged the image of the govt!.
If it was xalane he should have saved more time
Look the first time he went to kismayo every thing was sorted out!
He's going to be the last pm till 2018!
I hope you enjoy these years and HG is goeng back to mudug!