does puntland represent the ethiopian vision 4 somalia?

[Khalid Ali]

Sahal As i said Ethiopians do things whats good for their country a weak fragile Somali state that cant challenge them in any way or form, no one said that Ethiopia favors our recognition over Somalia. Ethiopia wants you to be linked to Addis Ababa so that Ethiopia can mediate between the Mogadishu and Kismayo so that it can be the guarantor in any every conflict it wants to be in the middle of everything. If Ethiopia recognizes SL it means they have no influence over SL and it means that Mogadishu would show anti Ethiopian sentiment it cant have that read the report the last part i posted.

Thats why Mogadishu smiles when they meet with Ethiopians Kismayo smiles Bosaaso Smiles. Ethiopia has been very indifferent really the reason why Somalilanders tolerate Ethiopia its because Ethiopia is not a threat to Somaliland cause to independence it doesn't want to help to achieve it but it remains flexible. It allows Somalilanders to go via Addis ababa deal with International agencies Embassies it allows SL passport as an official document it allows SL to have a diplomatic office in Addis Ababa. Ofcours the south is more important south is where their troops are south is where the shabaab is which is a direct threat to Ethiopian state south is where are the problems south is where they earn their hard currency through Amisom South is where Clan federalism is being installed. South is where the capital is. So i agree south is very important to Ethiopia

By the Palestinian state is recognized by 130 UN member states but no UN seat but their land is controlled by israel

[Khalid Ali]

tgs

SNA is composed of every somali clan, but yeah the majority is from one clan. The battalion of Sierra Leone were denied to come to Somali by the SFG today.

Khalid Ali

AMISOM will leave once their fundings are cut by the the West and that is set to happen by 2016.

They have no strict mandate Amisom their mandate can be extended the EU has enough Money, trust me Amisom will stay beyond 2016 until Shabaab no longer forms a threat to Kenya Ethiopia and Uganda. 2016 is to early how it goes i believe around 2018 2019 amisom is no longer needed.

[AbdiWahab252]

Sahal, so why does a Hawiye President always oppose a Hawiye regional state. Sheik sharia split Hiiraan into two states after he lost. Hasan opposed this agreement yet allowed a Darood Jubaland which only exists inside Kismayo and then he allows North Mudug not to be included in a Central State. Also do not forget, he allowed Lower Shabelle, a Hawiye state to be carved into a Eelay one.

[sahal80]

Sahal, so why does a Hawiye President always oppose a Hawiye regional state. Sheik sharia split Hiiraan into two states after he lost. Hasan opposed this agreement yet allowed a Darood Jubaland which only exists inside Kismayo and then he allows North Mudug not to be included in a Central State. Also do not forget, he allowed Lower Shabelle, a Hawiye state to be carved into a Eelay one.

the current govt is influenced by sheekhal or reflects their connections with other communities and countries

Their interests do not go beyond kaxda and jilib, they secured kaxda and now are opposing KDF presence in jilib though they haven't reached yet a solution as there's no sufficient amisom to replace kenya

Kenya has lost kismayo but wants to stay in the hinterland, there are now talks over middle jubba

HAG vision is represented by the traditional HG but hawiye as a society are too behind you got only the scattered sheekhals

Sheikh sharif has done big mistakes when he got rid of his own group in the cabinet, much of the current problems was done under his eyes.

[libaaxyare]

Sahal, so why does a Hawiye President always oppose a Hawiye regional state. Sheik sharia split Hiiraan in two states after he lost. Hasan opposed this agreement yet allowed a Darood Jubaland which only exists inside Kismayo and then he allows North Mudug not to be included in a Central State. Also do not forget, he allowed Lower Shabelle, a Hawiye state to be carved into a Eelay one.

Abdiwahab where is North Mudug? We all know you border and live Jariiban and Garacad so where is North Mudug? Goldogob? Allah gave HG wealthy land where uranium sits on top of the earth. Its those leelkase who are comming to join HG but our policy is not even included Cabudwaaq. Central state its Hawiye state and Hawiye lands. Time to seal the border garacad and jariiban

[sahal80]

Some say that the talks between the somali govt and somaliland will end up with somaliland being federacy with its own govt and free trade just like zanjibar according to the way the uk and turkey are doing the things like somaliland not being part of SFG


In 2016, like the road map was stating that after the next govt(current govt) the 4.5 system will be removed from the political system

Thus, a few dir minority and less Dblock will be part of SFGs institutions and the pm and president can be from one party

Puntland has agreed yesterday to post-pone the sool and sanaag issue in the talks
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanzibar

[Khalid Ali]

Nothing of substance will come out of the talks between somalia and somaliland ,much of the same until we see mediation , from a 3rd party, the somaliland issue the southerners are trying to prolong these talks, because they have reached a dead end, they know this to, we should have held talks in april, but Mogadishu is not ready, though i am sure talks will be held in2015 and than we know what will happen.

[Estarix]

Their interest just happen to conflate but the agenda is different.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Walahi you wouldn't think these morons are part of the same country. "Hawiye this, Sheekhal that, SL this, MJ that".

Allow maskada ha naga qaadin

[sahal80]

Their interest just happen to conflate but the agenda is different.

Lol at the agenda is different!

Before the ethiopian sodere conference wich suggested the federalism and clan-power sharing there were only SSDF!

All the TFG conferences in garowe was supposed to take place in boosaaso bc there were no garoowe yet!

Puntland itself is an ethiopian agenda let alone "her agenda"!
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Ifgx ... =html_text
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Ifgx ... =html_text

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=IXdq ... CB4Q6AEwBw

Say puntland is more collaporating with ethiopia!

Arabs were backing mogadishu centered initiative unil the TFG days for two reasons

Xamar folks have lost all their chances to establish a governmeent in mogadishu between 91-2007 when the jihadists appeared so they let ethiopia take mogadishu!


Since mj were against the arab backed TFG(ethiopian card), they got their chances in the ethiopian invasion and implementing the ethiopian project

Then the US has said there must be reconcilitian with sh sharif

He could have saved a lot but he was idiot, he's the man who appointed a man who was calling him a terrorist(gaas)

Gaas was running the govt and he made the transition like the road map, constitution that says mogadishu is not the capital

IGAD(ethiopia and kenya) have been sending a lot of misinforming reports to the west for the last decade about how somalia can not be ruled by a central govt

This govt basically has to do the things on that way but since its a permanent govt and only she does the things she can implement the map on her way also making them inclusive admins!

At least xamar folks have now two states plus banadir

Was supposed under gaas to have lesser states or losing the capital

Now there's a question about if he can keep his parts together!.

[Khalid Ali]

Sahal what do you mean gaas losing the capital , Puntland still has the 3 regions and Abdiweli pm of somalia asured pl that mudug remains well atleast the most part of galkacyo remains part of puntland in the agreement signed yesterday


Liquid we were never the same country to begin with wel Somaliland for Somaliland shared absolutely no historic relations with Somalia,

And Italian Somalia was combined together by the Italians the land they bought from the zanizbar sultans and the protectorate they signed with the majeerteens in bari and later they moved into the interior and colonized , even the Koonfurians dont feel as one bcause modern Somalia statehood was put together by the italians the italians left and every one went to his own little turf.

Somaliland dissolved the union because they were never really part of Somalia but made a union to form the Somali republic which today no longer exists

So technically there is no country to speak off

[libaaxyare]

@ the mirqaan Khalid. There was no Somaliland, no Somalia. pre- colonial the place you calling Somaliland today there was a self proclaim Mad Mullah who said he use to rule untill pro gaal giuded british to get in just like Bro Italian arabs and Jebertis giuded Italians to get in.

I am for every clan to go back to where they belong to and how things use to be pre colonial, Majertenia Jebertis for Majertia jebertiland, Darawishia Jeberti for Jabartiawishiland, Isaaqiya Habuushi for Isaaqiya habuushiland, Awalidir for Awali dirland.

ilmo Samaale for " Hawiye county" that is how things use to be and that is how things have to go back.

[sahal80]

Khalid

Sxb nothing is new when it comes to mudug issue

Gaas said to the govt explain your position

Govt said south of mudug

This is true and that was her position for this interim era bc we are not yet in the federal era

There is no such a federal state yet including pl

According to vision2016, the interim states should be formed before december, still one remains(hiiraan and middle shabelle)

Now before octobar 2016, the federal states should be formed as part of other national agendas like the constitution and referendum and the elections

In that era mudug have to belong one side and this will be decided by a commission from the parliament that was formed by the justice minister


Punland or as their larger clan have one member, thus, I expect to join the central state

It will be like being against the constitution who states this!

Nick has said it depends on that commission

Take into consideration that hassan sheikh will not be under pressure in his last days but now he needs to get the world support for his good policy!


I was refering to puntlands plan to have the somali capital bc of certain clan won't be able to have equal states in the upper parliament(the house of elders from the states) without letting them have the capital

Their plan was hiiraan, galgaduud and south of galkacyo forming one state and another state comprises middle shabelle and banadir!

Now you got galgaduud+mudug state and hiiraan+middle shabelle state plus the capital!

And they have puntland+jubaland

And what's funny is that mogadishu is planning for the post-2016 that banadir region should have elections so it will not work for a non natives to represent her districts!.

I have a clue of how pl will look like in the federal era but I don't wanna to state this yet

There will be some larger compromise.

[Khalid Ali]

First of all hutu kid libaaxnyare darwish was not a qabill organization four out of the five leaders of the. Dervishes were isaaq second there has never been a samale entity sacad was sacad sauuur was sauuur xawaadle and gaaljecel were just seperate qabiiils

And dervishes did not exist present colonial dervish emerged 1899.
Its like saying shabaab is a qabil organization

Historically before the British came isaaq ruled over zeila to awdal qadiful somaal sharmarke salih


I don't care what you and your majeerreen cousins do

But don't include us into your mess


Thanks

[libaaxyare]

@ Sahal, Hawiye politicians and clan elders have serous talk just as we speak in Mogadishu and this is to form the original Hawiye country. Take my word in coming days and months you will see how things fall i am more Xog ogaal then you.

the decision and the future of ilmo Samaale is in Hawiya's hands and not Hassan sheikh and Dam jadiids kursi agenda. non of their agenda will work and you will realize this in the coming months how things fall