ISIS now confesses to practice ancient Arabic customs...

[zumaale]

Cherine, there is no debate in Islam that slavery is halal. Mercy towards them is encouraged but this does not render the institution of slavery as haram. The first two Ayats you presented are evidence that the benevolent acts towards slaves by their owners are deserving of merit. They are selections from the Quran and do not forbid the practice of slavery but emphasise the righteousness of one who frees a slave. The last Ayat you referenced prevents the prostitution of slave girls and does not refute the Ayats that one can have sex with their own slave girl. No one can declare what Allah made halal to be haram.




Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice”

[al-Nisa’ 4:3]



What is meant by “or (slaves) that your right hands possess” is slave women whom you own.
And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal‑money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammaat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khaal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khaalaat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Ahzaab 33:50]

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]

[zumaale]

Wow so you can rape your slave in Islam

It ain't rape, she is xalal to you and you can have sex with her freely and any children born of her are xalal too. Sultans were the sons of slave women in some cases. We took habasha, oromo women as slaves during war and some went on to have children that were equal in stature to their fellow clan members.

[eliteSomali]

Muslims who don't know their religion well scare me a bit. How can you consider yourself a Muslim if you don't know what your faith entails? I suggest some of you go back and learn what Islam permits and what it doesn't then decide whether it is for you or not. What I am finding here is way too many "muslims" who are confused every time something they have not heard of before about Islam is mentioned as if it is a new information. With that said, slavery is halal only when you are at a legit war aka a legitimate jihad. You cannot attack people for the sake of hoping to capture people and make them your slaves. It doesn't work that way. During the era of the prophet, they were under constant and relentless invasions by rural arab and jewish tribes but they never attacked any tribe for the purpose of acquiring captives. For example, they were attacked by quraysh in Badr, uhud, khandaq/the battle of trenches. Their biggest source of wary booty during his era came from the battle of hunayn which he did not start. They were going to a be attacked by a collection of arab tribes while he was in makkah but he didn't want meet them inside makkah because that'd mean high civilian casualty, so he left to meet them somewhere between their respective cities. So whatever isis is doing does not have its roots in Islam and that something every muslim should know and condemn. Non muslims should also know that and should not blame the muslims for it.

Besides, someone tell me how prisoners of wars are treated any differently today? If anything, they are treated worse because they are severely punished, forced to an strenuous labor and often times executed.

[waraabe251]

Muslims who don't know their religion well scare me a bit. How can you consider yourself a Muslim if you don't know what your faith entails? I suggest some of you go back and learn what Islam permits and what it doesn't then decide whether it is for you or not. What I am finding here is way too many "muslims" who are confused every time something they have not heard of before about Islam is mentioned as if it is a new information. With that said, slavery is halal only when you are at a legit war aka a legitimate jihad. You cannot attack people for the sake of hoping to capture people and make them your slaves. It doesn't work that way. During the era of the prophet, they were under constant and relentless invasions by rural arab and jewish tribes but they never attacked any tribe for the purpose of acquiring captives. For example, they were attacked by quraysh in Badr, uhud, khandaq/the battle of trenches. Their biggest source of wary booty during his era came from the battle of hunayn which he did not start. They were going to a be attacked by a collection of arab tribes while he was in makkah but he didn't want meet them inside makkah because that'd mean high civilian casualty, so he left to meet them somewhere between their respective cities. So whatever isis is doing does not have its roots in Islam and that something every muslim should know and condemn. Non muslims should also know that and should not blame the muslims for it.

Besides, someone tell me how prisoners of wars are treated any differently today? If anything, they are treated worse because they are severely punished, forced to an strenuous labor and often times executed.

Stop trying to justify rape and slavery. Rape and slavery are not ok in any period of time. If muslims try to conquer israel for example, it is permissible for the Muslim army to enslave the women Idf soliders and then rape them. Hence Islam can't claim to be moral or different then anything else

[waraabe251]

Wow so you can rape your slave in Islam

It ain't rape, she is xalal to you and you can have sex with her freely and any children born of her are xalal too. Sultans were the sons of slave women in some cases. We took habasha, oromo women as slaves during war and some went on to have children that were equal in stature to their fellow clan members.

Rape is rape whether Islam deems it halal or not. Slavery is also slavery

[zumaale]

In Waraabe's new religion having sex with your slave as condoned in Islam is rape. Happy now.

[Gabre]

In Waraabe's new religion having sex with your slave as condoned in Islam is rape. Happy now.

Do you realize a slave can't give consent and that her slaver having sex with her is rape?

[Hyperactive]

waaw no wonder, very intellegent and smart people leave islam, cause of people who say islam allowes slavery!!

islam came and slavery was wide spread and slowly islam removed compeletly.

the problem in this ummah, they do not read at all and do their own research. unfortunately the people who read well are leaving islam!!

God helps this ummah!

[zumaale]

Muslims who don't know their religion well scare me a bit. How can you consider yourself a Muslim if you don't know what your faith entails? I suggest some of you go back and learn what Islam permits and what it doesn't then decide whether it is for you or not. What I am finding here is way too many "muslims" who are confused every time something they have not heard of before about Islam is mentioned as if it is a new information. With that said, slavery is halal only when you are at a legit war aka a legitimate jihad. You cannot attack people for the sake of hoping to capture people and make them your slaves. It doesn't work that way. During the era of the prophet, they were under constant and relentless invasions by rural arab and jewish tribes but they never attacked any tribe for the purpose of acquiring captives. For example, they were attacked by quraysh in Badr, uhud, khandaq/the battle of trenches. Their biggest source of wary booty during his era came from the battle of hunayn which he did not start. They were going to a be attacked by a collection of arab tribes while he was in makkah but he didn't want meet them inside makkah because that'd mean high civilian casualty, so he left to meet them somewhere between their respective cities. So whatever isis is doing does not have its roots in Islam and that something every muslim should know and condemn. Non muslims should also know that and should not blame the muslims for it.

Besides, someone tell me how prisoners of wars are treated any differently today? If anything, they are treated worse because they are severely punished, forced to an strenuous labor and often times executed.

Bro, my sentiments exactly. It seems like some people on this forum dismiss certain facts about Islam because it does not sit well with them. Christians and some Jews have altered their faith according to their whims and this is something that has been highlighted by Islam. The purity of our faith is that it has withstood the test of time. We should refuse to be 'apologists' for Islam and those that seek to water down its principles are a tumour in our midst.

[zumaale]

waaw no wonder, very intellegent and smart people leave islam, cause stop people who say islam allowes slavery!!

islam came and slavery was wide spread and slowly islam removed compeletly.

the problem in this ummah, they do not read at all and do their own research. unfortunately the people who read well are leaving islam!!

God helps this ummah!

Slavery in most of the Muslim world was put to a stop by Western powers. Rewind a 150 years ago and you had slaves in the Middle East, North Africa and Somalia. It was practiced continuously from the time of the Prophet SAWS right up to the 20th century. Islam never forbade it, 'Muslim' countries after colonialism adopted anti-slavery laws in their legals systems that has no basis in Sharia Law.

[Gabre]

waaw no wonder, very intellegent and smart people leave islam, cause stop people who say islam allowes slavery!!

islam came and slavery was wide spread and slowly islam removed compeletly.

the problem in this ummah, they do not read at all and do their own research. unfortunately the people who read well are leaving islam!!

God helps this ummah!

Slavery in most of the Muslim world was put to a stop by Western powers. Rewind a 150 years ago and you had slaves in the Middle East, North Africa and Somalia. It was practiced continuously from the time of the Prophet SAWS right up to the 20th century. Islam never forbade it, 'Muslim' countries after colonialism adopted anti-slavery laws in their legals systems that has no basis in Sharia Law.

This is true, slaves were being sold in open slave markets all over Arabia until the 1960s when they were forced to end it due to pressure from the west. You can find color footage of Arab slave markets from the 50s and 60s recorded for UN documentaries about slavery on YouTube.

[Gabre]

Mind you, there is still open slave trade in some Arab countries like Mauritania. Slavery by another name is all over the gulf including our own Sheekh Hyper's Qatar.

[Hyperactive]

the fact, some of khaliij was officially stopped 1973. however that is not islamic. arabs still slave poor asian as khadam, but worse than slavery!

arabs doesnt equal islam. in islam people are slave to God only. please read and reasearch seerah and your religion.

slavery is haram in islam cause degrading humanbeen that Allah said " laqad akramna bani adam"

but again, for you arabs are islam to you!!



it exist in arab countries doesnt mean is halal. there was slavery in jahilia too.

[zumaale]

Gabre, I personally would not own a slave hypothetically speaking. However, to argue that it is an institution that is haram in Islam is hypocrisy. There are numerous Ayats supporting its acceptance and also numerous ones that encourage Muslims to free slaves if they seek good deeds.

Hyper, any Muslims that leave Islam because of facts like this were never strong of faith in the first place.

[zumaale]

the fact, some of khaliij was officially stopped 1973. however that is not islamic. arabs still slave poor asian as khadam, but worse than slavery!

arabs doesnt equal islam. in islam people are slave to God only. please read and reasearch seerah and your religion.

slavery is haram in islam cause degrading humanbeen that Allah said " laqad akramna bani adam"

but again, for you arabs are islam to you!!



it exist in arab countries doesnt mean is halal. there was slavery in jahilia too.

Present evidence from the Quran or Hadith that slavery is Haram. Do not make facts about Islam from thin air. La Takhdiib Ya Akhi, Allah Yaarak.