Girl, 15, halted by police on plane as she tried to fly to

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

^^^^But surely that is the fault of the parent? Somalia is no more dangerous than Pakistan or most arab countries. In fact, I would not hesitate to go to Mogadishu today if I had to. Let's not forget that 90% of the country is at peace and it is only some areas of the south and corrupt politicians that are holding us back. I think you have brought up an interesting point about visiting home. It would help those with identity crisis immensely as there's nothing like being among your own people in dhulka hooyo. I think the problem is that after the war Somalia has slowly and steadily been at the mercy of arabization. Go back to the 70s and 80s, there was a huge middle-class population of educated men and women who had an interest in somali culture, music, poetry, riwaayads and a care-free attitude towards life. Fast-forward and today you have a huge population of illiterate, angry, bin-bag/khamis wearers who are ignorant, intolerant and live in a dog-eat-dog world. They have also been hugely susceptible to influence form countries like Saudi and Egypt. How did we become a people with witty riwaayads and plays to morons who watch bootlegged turkish melodramas that are badly dubbed?

[Murax]

^^^^But surely that is the fault of the parent? Somalia is no more dangerous than Pakistan or most arab countries. In fact, I would not hesitate to go to Mogadishu today if I had to. Let's not forget that 90% of the country is at peace and it is only some areas of the south and corrupt politicians that are holding us back. I think you have brought up an interesting point about visiting home. It would help those with identity crisis immensely as there's nothing like being among your own people in dhulka hooyo. I think the problem is that after the war Somalia has slowly and steadily been at the mercy of arabization. Go back to the 70s and 80s, there was a huge middle-class population of educated men and women who had an interest in somali culture, music, poetry, riwaayads and a care-free attitude towards life. Fast-forward and today you have a huge population of illiterate, angry, bin-bag/khamis wearers who are ignorant, intolerant and live in a dog-eat-dog world. They have also been hugely susceptible to influence form countries like Saudi and Egypt. How did we become a people with witty riwaayads and plays to morons who watch bootlegged turkish melodramas that are badly dubbed?

Agree with You totally. We both know the problem is the eroding of Somalinimo, culture etc. The problem is Somalis didn't immigrate to the West, Arabaha for a better life the way other immigrants do. They came as refugees from a war, stayed in shelters, churches, etc. When You had a war and are refugees literally all around the world Your self worth and pride will erode and take a hit bottom line. Also as far as these Arab Country's You speak of You'll find loads of diaspora Somalis who have family that live there and when a Somali kid goes overseas to see His family ironically a lot of times its family in Dubai, Egypt, Saudi, etc. You are right though Parents do matter and even though I was born, raised in the West My Parents always made it a point to speak to Me in nothing but Somali and even as a kid We'd watch old Somali shows. I'd get a chuckle When I would see Qaxooti kids who arrived 5 years ago claim that they 'Don't speak Somali' When I remembered the first day their qaxooti arses came. I agree When it comes to confidence or self worth Parents matter, May Allah bless them.

[Cherine]

Lol@this has nothing to do with Salafiyyah. All the girls marrying exconvicts against their parents judgement {because Tyrone/Kyle told her they are "not of the manhaj"} for the much rumoured about "apples" are Salafi. Nothing has changed other than including international travel to their future wedding plans!

The other Muslim girls are not affected as much because majority of them are just plain mainstream Sunnis plus they are more steeped in their cultural traditions and even have their own strand of Islam which is very South Asian in many aspects thus insulating them from self hate/ inferiority complexes & gyrating towards others.


I blame Somali wadaads who are beyond useless & Somali fathers and the sorry state of our country.

[Murax]

Lol@this has nothing to do with Salafiyyah. All the girls marrying exconvicts against their parents judgement {because Tyrone/Kyle told her they are "not of the manhaj"} for the much rumoured about "apples" are Salafi. Nothing has changed other than including international travel to their future wedding plans!

The other Muslim girls are not affected as much because majority of them are just plain mainstream Sunnis plus they are more steeped in their cultural traditions and even have their own strand of Islam which is very South Asian in many aspects thus insulating them from self hate/ inferiority complexes & gyrating towards others.


I blame Somali wadaads who are beyond useless & Somali fathers and the sorry state of our country.

There is Yemeni, Egyptian, many other Arab girls who their family's are on 'Salafiyaah' yet don't go tredding across the world to be somebody's Husband. Bottom line is Somali girls today are cheap, because most Somali families are trash. Lets just call it what it is.

[eliteSomali]

If she's 15, the blame is entirely on her parents' shoulders. Someone explain to me how a parent or better yet two parents would be unaware of their daughter's departure? They should be involved in their children's life so much that they know every breath and every fart that comes out of their kids. Every minute should be accounted for.


I also think we should abolish dugsi altogether. I'd even avoid the entire mosque if need be because this is where the biggest recruiting and brainwashing takes place. Sorry, but I'd much rather teach my kids myself than expose them to extremists who do nothing but radicalize them.

[Murax]

If she's 15, the blame is entirely on her parents' shoulders. Someone explain to me how a parent or better yet two parents would be unaware of their daughter's departure? They should be involved in their children's life so much that they know every breath and every fart that comes out of their kids. Every minute should be accounted for.


I also think we should abolish dugsi altogether. I'd even avoid the entire mosque if need be because this is where the biggest recruiting and brainwashing takes place. Sorry, but I'd much rather teach my kids myself than expose them to extremists who do nothing but radicalize them.

I live next to a Pakistani Mosque and whenever I come for Maghreb I see a bunch of Pakistani little children reading and when the time of the prayer comes they pray with concentration and when they graduate High School, they go on to College and make careers for themselves. To leave prayer in the Masjid to preserve Your kids, will infinitely compound Your problem. At the end of the day keep Your kid out of dugsi or in dugsi or do blah blah, nothing will change until the Father stops spending all his time outside on the coffeshop doing fadhi ku dirir, the mother is on the phone talking and the kid is doing what they want. Bottom line is You can do all the effort You want if Allah does not assist and provides the proper guidance for Your kids they will still end up lost. thats why getting farther away from the Religion is the most foolish thing to do. What We need is PROPER understanding of the Religion. The 45 year old Arab pedofile in Syria smashing Somali girls, Diinta adiga kamaa xiggo in Ilaahay's eyes. Lets not compare apples and oranges and remember what the real problems are.

[Cherine]

Salafiyah of the west & the one in the East are quite different. Salafis in Egypt and other Arab countries are university graduates, while the ones in the west are utterly useless high school dropouts. Salafis in the middle eadt are better groomed & more presentable while the ones here walk aroud in jactad khamees, socks and trainers. Western Salafiyyah teaches you to disobey your parents because they are "jaahil" and thus they cannot stand as Walis/Guardians. These western Salafis encourage our girls to marry & elope with every Tom, Dwayne & Sultan even if their parents refuse.

Secondly those girls you talked about aren't saddled with the inferiority complexes of gabdhaheena plus it is most likely good parenting & their conservative culture that is shielding them from behaving in this way not to mention the fact they may not even believe in Isis's specific brand of Salafiyyah. I've seen reports of Tunisian Salafi girls scurring away to Syria {North Africans are known to be very liberal so no strong culture to halt them much like Western Somali girls}
I was telling Liquid the other day how these Somali girls born here don't know the concept of "ceeb" and "fadeexad" and how unlikely it is for the girls in Somalia/Carabaha to even ever think of dishonouring themselves and their families in this way.

What we need is better understanding of the religion and a stronger culture.

[GeoSeven]

Her father must be near suicidal

It's one thing to know a 19 year old daughter might have sexual relations with a Yeti in Syria but a 15 year old sweetling...

[thegoodshepherd]

these Somali girls born here don't know the concept of "ceeb" and "fadeexad" and how unlikely it is for the girls in Somalia/Carabaha to even ever think of dishonouring themselves and their families in this way.
What we need is better understanding of the religion and a stronger culture.

This is very true. While these girls may wear a hijab and very religious, they do not know what cultural shame is.
They don't even understand the concept of shameful behavior. The cultural inhibition is missing.

[Murax]

Salafiyah of the west & the one in the East are quite different. Salafis in Egypt and other Arab countries are university graduates, while the ones in the west are utterly useless high school dropouts. Salafis in the middle eadt are better groomed & more presentable while the ones here walk aroud in jactad khamees, socks and trainers. Western Salafiyyah teaches you to disobey your parents because they are "jaahil" and thus they cannot stand as Walis/Guardians. These western Salafis encourage our girls to marry & elope with every Tom, Dwayne & Sultan even if their parents refuse.

Secondly those girls you talked about aren't saddled with the inferiority complexes of gabdhaheena plus it is most likely good parenting & their conservative culture that is shielding them from behaving in this way not to mention the fact they may not even believe in Isis's specific brand of Salafiyyah. I've seen reports of Tunisian Salafi girls scurring away to Syria {North Africans are known to be very liberal so no strong culture to halt them much like Western Somali girls}
I was telling Liquid the other day how these Somali girls born here don't know the concept of "ceeb" and "fadeexad" and how unlikely it is for the girls in Somalia/Carabaha to even ever think of dishonouring themselves and their families in this way.

What we need is better understanding of the religion and a stronger culture.

I do agree with You. Most in the West who claim all this 'Salafiyyah' in reality disobey their Parents, engage in Dulmi with their words, cut off other Muslims, and many things that have no basis in the Religion. Culture, Dhaqan is very important. When I was a Bachleor many times people would tell Me about 'Let Me introduce You to gabadhaan waa one of gabdhaha that are always in the Masjid'. No offense I don't want a girl who's always in the masjid. I want a girl who's either at home taking care of things, at school, work or doing something productive. Who's good to Her waalid, listens to them and values Her family. Deen Wise if She prays the Salah, wears good Hijab, covers Her Awrah I'm good.

[Hyperactive]

somalis are leberal even their salafis allow girls to mix with aby fulan and 3alan. salafis i know are very complicated and you dont even see their womenfolks going to mosque. haweenka masjid ka ba uma ogola!!

somali men have little control over their daughter or wives. is somali culture women to be indepandent and do not take orders of their men.

[Murax]

somalis are leberal even their salafis allow girls to mix with aby fulan ald 3alan. salafis i know are very complicated and you dont even see their womenfolks going to mosque. haweenka masjid ka ba uma ogola!!

somali men have little control over their daughter or wives. is somali culture women to be indepandent and do not take orders of their men.

Somali men do not care what their women do because they want ZERO responsibility. Why would they want to give his wife/kids orders when He doesn't even wanna be IN the House period?

[Basra-]

I am not surprised. I mean, Hyper for many years was lusting for Sheikh hebel--- I forgot his name. The guy with big red lips, who later became sort of a leader and a pimp. (wearing Armani suits) There is some fetishness to them. This girl is probably bi polar but leaning heaving towards religious persuasion.

[Hyperactive]

somalis are leberal even their salafis allow girls to mix with aby fulan ald 3alan. salafis i know are very complicated and you dont even see their womenfolks going to mosque. haweenka masjid ka ba uma ogola!!

somali men have little control over their daughter or wives. is somali culture women to be indepandent and do not take orders of their men.

Somali men do not care what their women do because they want ZERO responsibility. Why would they want to give his wife/kids orders when He doesn't even wanna be IN the House period?

i hope the new generation fathers are not like elder ones, arm chair worriers for qabiil and clan political.

[LobsterUnit]

Is she from.somaliland or.somalia?