What is the meaning of this?

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anyways back to the topic, can someone explain this map to me? and what is puntaland? someone posted on here that it wasn't a real region? and that daroods are just claiming it? how does that make sense?

[Jeffo]

anyways back to the topic, can someone explain this map to me? and what is punaniland? someone posted on here that it wasn't a real region? and that daroods are just claiming it? how does that make sense?

Amended.

[PLATINUUM]

anyways back to the topic, can someone explain this map to me? and what is punaniland? someone posted on here that it wasn't a real region? and that daroods are just claiming it? how does that make sense?

Amended.

*puntaland.....enough with the nonsense...i will not stand for it

[Jeffo]

Mad at what?

[unstoppablefade]

anyways back to the topic, can someone explain this map to me? and what is puntaland? someone posted on here that it wasn't a real region? and that daroods are just claiming it? how does that make sense?

Lol. It's a complicated conflict and it's hard to explain to outsiders (ppl who aren't isaaq/harti Darood). Basically Puntland is mainly inhabited and adminstred by the Harti Darood clans (Warsangeli, MJ, and Dhulbahunte). With that being said the Sool and Cayn provinces are primarily inhabited by Dhulbahante people and Sanaag too but Sanaag is mostly Warsangelis. The conflict is very deep rooted and difficult to explain but basically the people who live in those provinces are very divided. Some of the people are Pro-S/land because the Dhulbahante in certain areas, specifically those living more westward towards S/land, share the same culture, grazing lands, and been known to intermarry with Isaaqs. Also some Somalilanders will claim those areas because they were part of the original British Somaliland states. Then you have some Dhulbahante and Warsangelis that are Pro-Puntland because of the Harti Darood linkage. Also some Dhulbahante, especially the ones who live near the Sool/Nugaal area, are Pro-Puntland because they share the same badlye culture as the Cisse Maxamud tribe that lives in the area and are known for marrying them. Sool and Nugaal used to be called just Nugaal before Siad Barre broke it up, so indirectly this conflict is Siad Barres fault. Nigga has always been involved in almost all of our conflicts. And then lastly you have some Warsangelis and Dhulbahantes who are just pro-Warsangeli or Pro-Dhulbahante. Thats why you have shit like Maakhir state and Khatuumo State.

Somaliland capitalized on puntlands weak economy and military a couple years back in 2007 i think and captured Las Canod by force using military might. With the help of Ethopians they pretty much secured a lot of villages and towns in Sool, Sanaag and Cayn for the 2010 elections and pretty much have had most of the control in the area since. The Sool area is very crucial because supposedly theres supposed to be a lot of oil there too.

[PLATINUUM]

anyways back to the topic, can someone explain this map to me? and what is puntaland? someone posted on here that it wasn't a real region? and that daroods are just claiming it? how does that make sense?

Lol. It's a complicated conflict and it's hard to explain to outsiders (ppl who aren't isaaq/harti Darood). Basically Puntland is mainly inhabited and adminstred by the Harti Darood clans (Warsangeli, MJ, and Dhulbahunte). With that being said the Sool and Cayn provinces are primarily inhabited by Dhulbahante people and Sanaag too but Sanaag is mostly Warsangelis. The conflict is very deep rooted and difficult to explain but basically the people who live in those provinces are very divided. Some of the people are Pro-S/land because the Dhulbahante in certain areas, specifically those living more westward towards S/land, share the same culture, grazing lands, and been known to intermarry with Isaaqs. Also some Somalilanders will claim those areas because they were part of the original British Somaliland states. Then you have some Dhulbahante and Warsangelis that are Pro-Puntland because of the Harti Darood linkage. Also some Dhulbahante, especially the ones who live near the Sool/Nugaal area, are Pro-Puntland because they share the same badlye culture as the Cisse Maxamud tribe that lives in the area and are known for marrying them. Sool and Nugaal used to be called just Nugaal before Siad Barre broke it up, so indirectly this conflict is Siad Barres fault. Nigga has always been involved in almost all of our conflicts. And then lastly you have some Warsangelis and Dhulbahantes who are just pro-Warsangeli or Pro-Dhulbahante. Thats why you have shit like Maakhir state and Khatuumo State.

Somaliland capitalized on puntlands weak economy and military a couple years back in 2007 i think and captured Las Canod by force using military might. With the help of Ethopians they pretty much secured a lot of villages and towns in Sool, Sanaag and Cayn for the 2010 elections and pretty much have had most of the control in the area since. The Sool area is very crucial because supposedly theres supposed to be a lot of oil there too.

unstoppable...thank you so much for taking the time to respond and saying all that...i have a better understanding of that now. so is the part of the map that is says puntaland accurate? because I've seen a lot of people on here saying it was part of somaliland...so is it still disputed? or is it officially part of somalia...

[Samatr]

it's 2015 can't we all just along

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it's 2015 can't we all just along

trust me sam...those are my hopes too...im just trying to learn about the area and this apparent conflict that I'm just hearing about.

[FieldMarshalMenace]

since you are a novice to the intricate Somali political web...KTS, please give me your virgin impression about as I present the case to you...

A. claims that land because he says this was the state colonized by Britain and was given independence as Britain let go of it. They were independent for a day and the first country to recognize them was Israel however,chose to be united with South Somalia. A divorce happened and now they want the same land mass to be their own. Keep in mind that all of Africa gained independence as the colonizer carved it.

B. claims that land because he and some (not all) of the inhabitants are same general fellow qabiil. In other words, its basically a white nationalist wanting to unite to form an autonomous state. Its basically the white Africans in South Africa wanting to have an autonomous state that includes cape town

[PLATINUUM]

menace...to be honest with you...i came on this site with high hopes but then i learned our dirty secrets and I'm just turned off by anything that has to do with somalia now...sometimes I'm just way to naive..in my mind we were all the same and united.

okay I'm not sure i understand B....does a tribe in somailand want they're own autonomous state?

and as for A sounds logical enough....i just think the "divorce" bit is petty as hell and somalis are run by grown children.

regardless i just want somalia to be united...the only thing in the way of that are arrogant isaaqs who worship their clan and terrified/hate darood (based on my understanding of you guy's dialog)

[Samatr]

it's 2015 can't we all just along

trust me sam...those are my hopes too...im just trying to learn about the area and this apparent conflict that I'm just hearing about.

There is nothing to learn about this area or anywhere else in the country, people who live by each other fight, laugh, love, hate and kill each other.
These people have been going at it since forever, this is hardly news.

[FieldMarshalMenace]

menace...to be honest with you...i came on this site with high hopes but then i learned our dirty secrets and I'm just turned off by anything that has to do with somalia now...sometimes I'm just way to naive..in my mind we were all the same and united.

okay I'm not sure i understand B....does a tribe in somailand want they're own autonomous state?

and as for A sounds logical enough....i just think the "divorce" bit is petty as hell and somalis are run by grown children.

regardless i just want somalia to be united...the only thing in the way of that are arrogant isaaqs who worship their clan and terrified/hate darood (based on my understanding of you guy's dialog)

what part of B cant you understand... im telling you that Puntland bases its argument that the disputed region is theirs based on the fact that some of their fellow qabiil related folks inhabit that place

[PLATINUUM]

menace...to be honest with you...i came on this site with high hopes but then i learned our dirty secrets and I'm just turned off by anything that has to do with somalia now...sometimes I'm just way to naive..in my mind we were all the same and united.

okay I'm not sure i understand B....does a tribe in somailand want they're own autonomous state?

and as for A sounds logical enough....i just think the "divorce" bit is petty as hell and somalis are run by grown children.

regardless i just want somalia to be united...the only thing in the way of that are arrogant isaaqs who worship their clan and terrified/hate darood (based on my understanding of you guy's dialog)

what part of B cant you understand... im telling you that Puntland bases its argument that the disputed region is theirs based on the fact that some of their fellow qabiil related folks inhabit that place

well in that case then shouldn't the people living their get a say? if those people want to be part of puntland or somalia...then why is somaliland claiming them? just because it was originally a British part is not enough....


uhhhhhh okay...now i get the dispute...makes sense...

if i had a say...id let the people inhabiting the place vote and have a say.

[Rambie]

It's mostly true what unstoppable stated but I am gonna clear up some points

1- Lasacnood the capital and lagrest city of Sool is majority Dhulbahante it was in the hands of SL til 2003 when the Dhulus had it and joined PL and kicked SL army out. It was in 2007 when the Dhulu's get feed with PL (again) and cooperated with SL to kick PL out. Caynaboo district in western Sool is majority Issaq and Xudun is shared.

2- Sanaag is majority Isaaq the capital & largest city Erigavo + third largest city Ceel Afwayne was always HY+HJ majority. This is an old map where the disputed regions of which the Harti are majority is highlighted. But of course, we have advanced to the east in the past 10 years



3- Makhiir was a paper state that did not function in any matter. And I don't know bout the tendances of the Warsangalies. Sure, they are the most peaceful & respected Darood/Harti. But their stand is not clear. One day you hear their chief is meeting Gaas the next day the visits or welcomes SL officials.

4-The Ethiopians were not involved in Cayn (even the SL army presence there is minimal just to keep the Isaaqs there from karabashing the Dhulu's) the Invasion of Lascanood was simply because a well known leader of the Dhulu come to the Isaaq village of Oog and made an agreement to ousted PL forces there after he got into a dispute with the pres of PL and his sub clan did not get a meaningful position in the government at that time.

5- Puntland was thriving in the peak of the piracy few years ago. Financially they were doing well but today they are tumbling cos they stopped robbing people in the open sea.

[FieldMarshalMenace]

menace...to be honest with you...i came on this site with high hopes but then i learned our dirty secrets and I'm just turned off by anything that has to do with somalia now...sometimes I'm just way to naive..in my mind we were all the same and united.

okay I'm not sure i understand B....does a tribe in somailand want they're own autonomous state?

and as for A sounds logical enough....i just think the "divorce" bit is petty as hell and somalis are run by grown children.

regardless i just want somalia to be united...the only thing in the way of that are arrogant isaaqs who worship their clan and terrified/hate darood (based on my understanding of you guy's dialog)

what part of B cant you understand... im telling you that Puntland bases its argument that the disputed region is theirs based on the fact that some of their fellow qabiil related folks inhabit that place

well in that case then shouldn't the people living their get a say? if those people want to be part of puntland or somalia...then why is somaliland claiming them? just because it was originally a British part is not enough....


uhhhhhh okay...now i get the dispute...makes sense...

if i had a say...id let the people inhabiting the place vote and have a say.

naayaa, if we are all to follow that theory then every African country is affected...r u kidding me...every African country has disgruntled regions and tribes