I expect mogadishu to be the next algiers in 5 years!

[Gedo_Boy]

Learning another language doesn't mean forgetting your own.

[PrinceDaadi]

So basically you under turkish colonization?

They're teaching you their language. They're building a few schools and hospitals and in return they get your natural resources.

I thought u were mature than this!

[sahal80]

lets hope so sahal

however as you well know mogadishu alone isnt somalia and the differences between somalia and algeria are a lot for example despite the civil wars of both nations starting at the same time in early 90s, the algerian conflict lasted for only 10 years until 2002 whereas somalia's conflict is 24 years and counting. another example is that algeria doesnt claim to be in an illegal union with another country unlike somalia (vis a vis somaliland) nor has the society to have long term disintegration

ps how are u akhi

thanks bro I'm fine hope you too

No infact mogadishu and algier had the same political problems that arose from similar foreing interventions: FIS-islamic courts being replaced by the GIA-al shabab
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Islamic_Group

It started after a moderate islamist party won the first round of the elections and then was cancelled due to the army intervention who removed the president from the party who lost it too "to save the country"
France and the west have given the army the green light to stop the islamists reaching the power

This was in 1990
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_Civil_War

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

So basically you under turkish colonization?
They're teaching you their language. They're building a few schools and hospitals and in return they get your natural resources.

You're speaking English right now? Are you under English colonization?

Somalia needs to adapt, and if they need to learn a language to get exposed to new ideas or technology there's nothing wrong with it.

I live in England. Also english is the lingua franca of todays world while turkish isn't even a major world language. How many countries speak turkish?

It's colonization, pure and simple. We can get exposed to new ideas and technology without learning turkish. And why is the turkish flag draped all over the place? We get it.

[Murax]

LiquidHYDROGEN,

Somalis have No Army, no Government institutions, no municipal services, not even the slightest hint of being able to manage your their affairs. If a Country is building a couple schools, feeding centers and orphanages that beats a high off drugs militia taking Your home, belongings and leaving You with nothing which in essence is what this Somali Gov would be if all external parties left. Scratch that, it wouldn't even be that but some obscure gang doing those actions under AS. Ethiopia a starving bottom feeder of the 3rd role doesn't give Somalis anything yet pretty much runs it. In retrospect We really shouldn't be lamenting Turkey's role when compared with the Slave master with zero reward roles of Ethiopia/Kenya.

[Gedo_Boy]

So basically you under turkish colonization?
They're teaching you their language. They're building a few schools and hospitals and in return they get your natural resources.

You're speaking English right now? Are you under English colonization?

Somalia needs to adapt, and if they need to learn a language to get exposed to new ideas or technology there's nothing wrong with it.

I live in England. Also english is the lingua franca of todays world while turkish isn't even a major world language. How many countries speak turkish?

It's colonization, pure and simple. We can get exposed to new ideas and technology without learning turkish. And why is the turkish flag draped all over the place? We get it.

So when Turkey gets big enough and becomes a major world language you will learn Turkish? It will be OK to be colonized then? You don't mind getting colonized as long as it's a big enough power?

For the Somalis in Somalia - and by extension us - Turkish is a major language because Turks have shown a willingness to invest and get involved in Somali affairs.

If you wanna go back and help build schools, roads, hospitals airports for a hopeless people then by all means leave London and spread English in Mogadishu.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

So when Turkey gets big enough and becomes a major world language you will learn Turkish? It will be OK to be colonized then? You don't mind getting colonized as long as it's a big enough power?

For the Somalis in Somalia - and by extension us - Turkish is a major language because Turks have shown a willingness to invest and get involved in Somali affairs.

If you wanna go back and help build schools, roads, hospitals airports for a hopeless people then by all means leave London and spread English in Mogadishu.

Bro, what are you talking about? I didn't say any of that, I don't know where in my previous post I said that we should be colonized by a world power. I said I speak english because I live in england and english is the worlds biggest langauge. My argument is that just because turkey isn't a major power yet doesn't mean that they are not colonizing Somalia. The British built schools, hospitals, train stations and railways in indian too (and much better quality than what the turks building too), does that mean they weren't colonizers. Nobody does anything for free, not even muslims. If you are okay with handing what little sovereignty Somalia had to a bunch of guys hungry for resources and influence then just admit it. Don't pretend they're are saints or something.

[TheMailMan]

So when Turkey gets big enough and becomes a major world language you will learn Turkish? It will be OK to be colonized then? You don't mind getting colonized as long as it's a big enough power?

For the Somalis in Somalia - and by extension us - Turkish is a major language because Turks have shown a willingness to invest and get involved in Somali affairs.

If you wanna go back and help build schools, roads, hospitals airports for a hopeless people then by all means leave London and spread English in Mogadishu.

Bro, what are you talking about? I didn't say any of that, I don't know where in my previous post I said that we should be colonized by a world power. I said I speak english because I live in england and english is the worlds biggest langauge. My argument is that just because turkey isn't a major power yet doesn't mean that they are not colonizing Somalia. The British built schools, hospitals, train stations and railways in indian too (and much better quality than what the turks building too), does that mean they weren't colonizers. Nobody does anything for free, not even muslims. If you are okay with handing what little sovereignty Somalia had to a bunch of guys hungry for resources and influence then just admit it. Don't pretend they're are saints or something.

This is no different from what the Americans did in 1947 when they gave millions of dollars worth of equipment to Germany (which was devastated as a result of WW2). The American companies came in with their technology, expertise, and training and they helped the local Germans for a couple of years.

They did this for strategic reasons, as the Americans wanted to oppose Soviet Russia so they wanted to cultivate and create powerful and prosperous allies to resist the Soviet tide. That's logical. That makes sense. And that was mutually beneficial towards the Americans and Germans.

The same thing goes for Somalia and Turkey. The Turks are assisting us massively, and in return we become Turkey's ally and operate within their sphere of influence. Honestly, so be it. Turkey and Somalia are far apart enough that we can pursue our own policies in the Horn of Africa independent of Turkey. Somalia could be a regional power which exerts massive influence over our neighboring countries, the same way Turkey does. But if Turkey wants to create an ally in the Horn of Africa, so be it. It is mutually beneficial for the both of us. Why complain?

[sahal80]

Good points by gedo-boy and themailman

Turkish people have been disappointed in joining the EU so they voted for the justice party who has an islamic orientation

Basically they r empowering themselves and muslims in the global economy also r creating islamic market for their companies and goods

Besides somalia being part of the islamic market, the asian industrial countries r concentrating their investments in africa generally

Malaysia is leading followed by china and turkey is following them

"D-8 Organization for Economic Cooperation"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-8_Orga ... ooperation

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Mailman, I hope you're right. The way I see it is Turkey is currently trying to get away from arab oil dependence and Somalia is rumored to have one of the largest Uranium deposits in the world, not to mention alot of Oil.

[Bilis]

Mailman, I hope you're right. The way I see it is Turkey is currently trying to get away from arab oil dependence and Somalia is rumored to have one of the largest Uranium deposits in the world, not to mention alot of Oil.

The ties between both territories actually date back centuries, to the medieval Sultanate of Adal and Ottoman Empire. Turkey is an old friend in that regard.

But yeah, all sorts of polities are cozying up to the federal government because of oil and other potential hydrocarbons.

[Murax]

LiquidHYDROGEN,


You still didn't explain being colonized by IGAD is like the metaphor of the Chile Mine Workers. When they were submerged for weeks in that mine underground it couldn't get any worse and getting to the surface would be a huge win. Somalis are sticked in that Chilean mine right now.

[Gedo_Boy]

LiquidHYDROGEN,

There is such thing as a win-win. If Somalia has a lot of oil or natural resources, they don't have the ability to independently produce those resources. What good is resources below your ground when the people are starving above it?

Turkey has their own interests, but a school is a school, a road is a road, a bridge is a bridge.

You can't compare England's rule of India with Turkey.

Has Turkey arrived in Somalia military forces and occupied Somalia? Is there a Turkish Raj in Mogadishu?

We in the diaspora who have Western passports have more opportunities than the poor folks in Somalia who can't get out of there. If Muslims from Turkey show up with modern advanced technology, give them the opportunity to try to build their lives and their futures, we should welcome and encourage that otherwise we are becoming selfish. Every single last Somali can't leave Somalia so we have to focus on making Somalia better to live in.

At the end of the day, Turkey is offering Somalia something no other country did and we should use that hand extended to us to improve their situation and if Turkey gets something out of it then God Bless them.

I hope we would be able to have something to offer them down the road because they took the initial step to help when Somalia was at its lowest point.

[STARKAST]

Somalis of today i believe aren't that smart or patriotic enough to benefit from the Turks yet keeping their long term capitalistic interests checked.
This is one advantage of Federalism in that the fool can't lead all...
Nonetheless i do agree due to our position today Somalis should be grateful for most development offered. Turks ain't that bad in other words.

[original dervish]

No serious person can honestly criticize the Turks.
Before they showed up.....Mog was a byword for horror, death & anarchy.