Itrah pls come in.

[Itrah]

We do not all have a common paternal ancestry and the million dollar questions is, which paternal ancestral group came first. E-V32 and associated halogroups or T haplogroup carriers? Did they descend together from North Africa after T haplogroup carriers made their way to North Africa from West Asia? Itrah and Estarix your input would be appreciated.

Haplogroups are utterly useless when it comes to determining racial origins of an ethnicity.

Look at this analysis:

SO4 and SO6 are haplogroup T carriers, the other Somalis (code SO) E1b1b carriers.

Their results are exactly the same when it comes to autosomal ancestry.

[Estarix]

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[Estarix]

Iftrah

Arent the omotic mixed with Euroasian at 10%?

[Itrah]

Iftrah

Arent the omotic mixed with Euroasian at 10%?

That is for the tribal ones, like Hamar and the like.

The Wolayta and other more urbanized/acculturated ones (Gamo, Kaffa etc) have a lot more (15%-30%).

[JamalAddow]

Cushitic is a mixed race group, they are peripheral to both the Nubians/Nilotes and Egyptians whom are their progenitors. They first came to being somewhere around Upper Egypt or Northern Sudan. Mesopotamia or the Levant do not come into the equation.

Alrite, when Itrah said 'back to africa' I thought we were apart from the Egyptians. So all Chadics, Berbers and Cushites came from Egypt?

And the big question is when did we move from Sudan to Ethiopia and then to Somalia?

[zumaale]

Itrah, I am referring to the differing origins of the two haplogroups, not a genetic similarity that is borne from generation upon generation of mixing.

At some point in history, populations carrying these two haplogroups encountered each other, the question is where?

[Itrah]

Itrah, I am referring to the differing origins of the two haplogroups, not a genetic similarity that is borne from generation upon generation of mixing.

At some point in history, populations carrying these two haplogroups encountered each other, the question is where?

So far the evidence looks like they entered the region at the same time.

The odd thing is that T often gets around 10%, even in South Cushites like the Iraqw and Datooga - but E-V32 is very low/rare in them. It looks more and more like that the high E-V32 in Somalis is just a pure chance thing/statistical anomaly.

[JamalAddow]

Itrah, I am referring to the differing origins of the two haplogroups, not a genetic similarity that is borne from generation upon generation of mixing.

At some point in history, populations carrying these two haplogroups encountered each other, the question is where?

I'm guessing the T-haplogroup is what the 'Natives' in Somalia had before we came.

Also wgwhat were the natives in Somalia befre we came?

[zumaale]

Itrah, Bro, where is this evidence please?

[Itrah]

I'm guessing the T-haplogroup is what the 'Natives' in Somalia had before we came.

Also wgwhat were the natives in Somalia befre we came?

Impossible..

Actually there are no paleolithic Horn African haplogroups found on the male side in Somalis. They are all recent (Neolithic).

On the female side, we do find interest paleolithic lineages native specifically to Somalia (like L3a, L3i2 and others).

[Itrah]

Itrah, Bro, where is this evidence please?

You can look up T frequencies of Tanzanian minorities. It is found often in the non-Bantu ones, but E-V32 (with DYS19-11) is very low in them.

[JamalAddow]

Itrah in simple english pls, were we or were we not the people referred to as the people of Punt(if Punt is Northern Somalia)?

WHEN DID WE COME TO NORTHERN SOMALIA?

[Estarix]

Cushitic is a mixed race group, they are peripheral to both the Nubians/Nilotes and Egyptians whom are their progenitors. They first came to being somewhere around Upper Egypt or Northern Sudan. Mesopotamia or the Levant do not come into the equation.

Alrite, when Itrah said 'back to africa' I thought we were apart from the Egyptians. So all Chadics, Berbers and Cushites came from Egypt?

And the big question is when did we move from Sudan to Ethiopia and then to Somalia?

Well the Berbers are periphery to Ancient Egypt, they have alway had ties to Ancient Egypt. Not sure about Chadic speaking people, it's possible some nilo saharans from Sudan migrated to that region and mixed with the original West Africans living in the sahara.

In regards to the proto east africans migration, it likely had something to do with the decimation of the Kush kingdom by Nubians of which the timeline i will have to search up. The second migration from Ethiopia into Somaliland likely was quite relatively recent. Possible around 4,000 years ago. Although this is all guesswork.

[Itrah]

Itrah in simple english pls, were we or were we not the people referred to as the people of Punt(if Punt is Northern Somalia)?

WHEN DID WE COME TO NORTHERN SOMALIA?

Dating of DNA is still imprecise, but I estimate between 8,000 to 4,000 years ago.

Before that, we were Nilotes and proto-Ancient Egyptians, lol.

[zumaale]

Itrah, according to that study by Hallenberg et al, Somali T haplogroup carriers have a TMCRA of 2000 years, that is very recent historically speaking. That ancestor could have been a sole migrant. That could possibly dismiss the theory that there were two large populations that intermingled and simultaneously made their way to the horn.