"Practising Islam In Short Shorts"

[AgentOfChaos]

Guys,
Would you rather Thanaa turned up her nose at hijabi/jilbabi women instead of seeing them as sisters?
Would you rather she was embarrassed by them, felt no connection to them & distanced herself from them?Instead of smiling in their faces and wanting to say salaam alaikum?
Would you rather she didn't pray?

I would rather have a chick that doesn't have penis envy and resents men so much that she even has nightmares of men raping her.

[Malachite]

Guys,
Would you rather Thanaa turned up her nose at hijabi/jilbabi women instead of seeing them as sisters?
Would you rather she was embarrassed by them, felt no connection to them & distanced herself from them?Instead of smiling in their faces and wanting to say salaam alaikum?
Would you rather she didn't pray?

I would rather have a chick that doesn't have penis envy and resents men so much that she even has nightmares of men raping her.

[FAH1223]

PO - What about Laila Adem ey futada short shorts iskaga dhajisey..who you Seattle guys defended calling her a nice miskiin girl?

Guys,
Would you rather Thanaa turned up her nose at hijabi/jilbabi women instead of seeing them as sisters?
Would you rather she was embarrassed by them, felt no connection to them & distanced herself from them?Instead of smiling in their faces and wanting to say salaam alaikum?
Would you rather she didn't pray?
Became a kaafir AbdiJohnson style? full of hatred for Muslims?

Do not compare her with Yalaxoow who is riddled with a gazillion doubts, frequently trolls the diin & who has never ever been the same ever since he picked up a copy of the God delusion that was left on his bus. {Sorry Ditoore}
I don't agree with her double life ..i hope in time she scraps that & finds a happy medium.
But all i can say for now is MashAllah! Girl has great imaan

I don't think anyone is suggesting that we pass judgment on or treat this woman differently because of the way she chooses to practice Islam. Unfortunately, our Muslim communities are culpable in looking down on and alienating people, especially women, who do not fit into the "normative" mold of Islam. In my opinion, this type of behavior and attitude is unprophetic. This is something I fought against in my own MSA. However, I don't think people take issue with this article because this author is not "following the rules." Rather, it's the way the author presents Islam. She tosses out whatever doesn't align with her own personal beliefs and opinions. Admittedly, many of us do this in our practical lives. But there is still an underlying humility that what we are doing is probably wrong and that we should never be comfortable with our own personal state of religiosity. This author seems to demand that we accept her personal religious state (which includes praying sometimes and drinking whiskey) as the status quo. This is only indicative of a larger trend towards liberalizing Islam, which has so far resisted the attempt to entirely gut religion of its legal and theological content.

No one is denying this woman's submission, but her bold disclosure of her sins does not entail that we pat her on the back for praying "sometimes." The fact that she even reveals her sins so brazenly is also problematic. I don’t think we should consider this article "beautiful," or "courageous." I don't know how we can call the display of sins "beautiful." Instead, we should think of this article as sad and troubling since

a) this woman feels consistently judged and ostracized by our communities and

b) she struggles to understand and find relevance in Islamic texts. Indeed, many scholars have failed us in various ways, especially vis-a-vis women and gender issues. While I sympathize greatly with this woman, I’m not going to absolve her of criticism. We can rationalize all we want and try to make sense of our texts, but at the end of the day it doesn’t take much to put our heads on the ground.

She may be a very good person, as the response states, but I think there is a distinction in Islam b/w just being a good person and adhering to the core principles and rules of Islam. I think the entire notion of just being “a good person” is a very liberal modern view. “I don’t practice Islam but I’m a good person!” seems to undermine the whole point in following prophetic practice.

[Cherine]

Guys,
Would you rather Thanaa turned up her nose at hijabi/jilbabi women instead of seeing them as sisters?
Would you rather she was embarrassed by them, felt no connection to them & distanced herself from them?Instead of smiling in their faces and wanting to say salaam alaikum?
Would you rather she didn't pray?

I would rather have a chick that doesn't have penis envy and resents men so much that she even has nightmares of men raping her.

War ileen anakaa yaab aragnay. I thought you were being your usual trolling self in that thread but it looks like you were being serious.

I resent men? penis envy? I dreamt of being raped? Subxaanaka ya cadiim! Bichaara tumhara dimaagh bilkul kharaab hoogiyee!

[Cherine]

She was just being honest. No where did she say that praying 'sometimes' was sufficient. Her drinking khamri, septum piercings, weed and clothes could be a reaction to the dry formulaic Islam of the madrassas. Dunno much about her but at a time when Muslims are increasingly throwing in the towel and becoming gaalo and throwing Ex Muslim parties...this should be appreciated. Despite her shortcomings she still manages to hold on. There is a real danger of judgemental people potentially pushing her to choose between khamri and Islam. She can do both and ilaahay will judge her.


Btw tons of bold and proud sinners here. Many who claim to drink like sailors, fuck girls like there's no tomorrow, porn is posted, revenge porn is shared etc etc all the while Lool and hi5iving each other.

[SultanOrder]

PO - What about Laila Adem ey futada short shorts iskaga dhajisey..who you Seattle guys defended calling her a nice miskiin girl?

Guys,
Would you rather Thanaa turned up her nose at hijabi/jilbabi women instead of seeing them as sisters?
Would you rather she was embarrassed by them, felt no connection to them & distanced herself from them?Instead of smiling in their faces and wanting to say salaam alaikum?
Would you rather she didn't pray?
Became a kaafir AbdiJohnson style? full of hatred for Muslims?

Do not compare her with Yalaxoow who is riddled with a gazillion doubts, frequently trolls the diin & who has never ever been the same ever since he picked up a copy of the God delusion that was left on his bus. {Sorry Ditoore}
I don't agree with her double life ..i hope in time she scraps that & finds a happy medium.
But all i can say for now is MashAllah! Girl has great imaan

Laila Adam is a nice girl but I don't think she relaxes Islam to her outward form or justifies it by diluting Islam.

Cherine, I think it is good she prays and still sees herself as a Muslim. I also do want to make a character judgement on her but I completely disagree with her ideology. She is making clear ideological arguments. She rejects most Hadith and fiqh as the byproduct of patriarchal scholars trying to maintain patriarchy a very feminist criticism but how does one decide which Hadith and fiqh is garbage? She obviously doesn't have a legitimate method. Then she talks about Wahabi emphasis on outward adherence, to her they were extreme so she disregards any outward appearance and limits Islam to inner adherence. She also drinks but the only qualms she has is about her parents finding out, not that Islam is against it. This lady is pushing her version of Islam first and saying I'm still a Muslim second.

[zumaale]

The difference between her and the majority of Muslim sinners is that they do not excuse their behaviour by rejecting certain Islamic doctrines whilst being self righteous in the process. That is a dangerous precedent if it becomes tolerated and will lead Islam upon the path of 'modernised' Abrahamic faiths such as Reform Judaism. It is not about judging her, it is about manipulating the Deen to suit her lifestyle choices and condemning articles of the Faith in the process. To applaud her is an un Islamic act as we have been instructed to enjoin good and forbid evil.

[Murax]

Cherine,

Iman is 'Watiqaadun Fil Qalb, Qaulun Bil Lisaan, Amalu Bil Jawaareh i.e Belief in the heart, speech of the tongue, Action of the limbs. Belief in the heart is what a lot of our misguided Suffiya, people of desires, believe is enough but it is not, You must put that Iman into action by having Taqwa which is Af'aalu Awaamirihi, Wajtinaabu Nawaahihi (Doing what Allah Has commanded, staying away from what He Has forbidden. As 1manesquad mentioned earlier, the whole meaning of Islam=Al Istislaamu Billahi Bitawheed, Wal Inqiyaadu Lahu Bi Taa'ah i.e Surrenduring to Allah with Tawheed, and turning to Him in obedience.


Long story short, belief and love for Islam in the heart is good, but without action it is useless.

Ilayhi Yas'adul Kalim At Tayyib Wal Amal As Saalehu Yarfa'uh:

10. Whosoever desires honour, power and glory then to Allah belong all honour, power and glory [and one can get honour, power and glory only by obeying and worshipping Allah (Alone)]. To Him ascend (all) the goodly words, and the righteous deeds exalt it (the goodly words i.e. the goodly words are not accepted by Allah unless and until they are followed by good deeds), but those who plot evils, theirs will be severe torment. And the plotting of such will perish.

Surah Fatir Ayah 10

[SultanOrder]

Murax what does Sufis have to do with this? Don't make up a group (misguided Sufis) to make an argument, it's called scarecrow fallacy.

[Murax]

Murax what does Sufis have to do with this? Don't make up a group (misguided Sufis) to make an argument, it's called scarecrow fallacy.

In Islam We do not bring up things to mock, insult, degrade but to make ourselves better and guide one another. If our intention is to quote Quran, Sunnah to degrade or to put people down then We are actually calling people away from Allah and will be punished. Suffi is made up of a lot of different groups but they are upon misguidance in terms of Singling out Allah in Worship, Affirming Allah's attributes without describing How, likening to the creation, giving examples etc. following the Waxyi (Revalation) that was given to the Prophet SAW, by following His Sunnah which is explanation and clarification of what is in the Quran, etc. The thing is sadly, not only have a lot of Suffis gotten into just innovation but some of these innovations are flat out mockery to the Religion itself with a lot of the silly dancing, jumping around, etc. rituals that is just sad. May Allah guide all of us to what He loves and is pleased with and distance us from Shirk, Innovations, and making

[SultanOrder]

Murax, with all do respect you can make all the claims about Sufism you want but it doesn't make it true. And to bring up Sufism in this discussion mind boggles me. Sufism has been part of Islam since day one and the fact it has lasted as long as it did attests to its authenticity. You single out "misguided" Sufis but once you have labeled a group well sure I agree with you all misguided people are misguided by definition. Let's not steer this topic to something it is not just because you have a bone to pick with Sufis.

[Murax]

Murax, with all do respect you can make all the claims about Sufism you want but it doesn't make it true. And to bring up Sufism in this discussion mind boggles me. Sufism has been part of Islam since day one and the fact it has lasted as long as it did attests to its authenticity. You single out "misguided" Sufis but once you have labeled a group well sure I agree with you all misguided people are misguided by definition. Let's not steer this topic to something it is not just because you have a bone to pick with Sufis.

Wallahi I have no bone to pick against anyone. Bottom line is this:


Ikhwaan
Khaariji
Suffi
Qur'aani
Ahmediyya
etc.


All are upon misguidance, and the only one of us who are misguided are those of us who fulfill this Hadeeth:

“My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group.” They said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “(Those who follow) that which I and my companions follow.” classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi (2641).

As for the disagreements, fights amongst ourselves, the Prophet SAW foresaw this happening.

Hadith of Irbaad ibn Saariyah, may Allaah the Most High be pleased with him, who said, “The Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه وسلم gave us a sermon which frightened the hearts and caused the eyes to shed tears. So we said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah! [it is as if it is a farewell sermon] so advise us.’ He said,


‘I advise you to fear Allaah and to hear and obey even if an Abyssinian slave were to rule over you. For surely, he who lives from amongst you will see much differing, so it is upon you to be upon my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly Guided Caliphs. Bite on to it with your back molar teeth and beware of newly invented matters, for verily, every newly invented matter is an innovation, and all innovation is misguidance.’”

[SultanOrder]

Funny how you ignored Wahabi/Salafi in that list. Besides Sufi is not a sect only you claim it to be.

[AgentOfChaos]

Guys,
Would you rather Thanaa turned up her nose at hijabi/jilbabi women instead of seeing them as sisters?
Would you rather she was embarrassed by them, felt no connection to them & distanced herself from them?Instead of smiling in their faces and wanting to say salaam alaikum?
Would you rather she didn't pray?

I would rather have a chick that doesn't have penis envy and resents men so much that she even has nightmares of men raping her.

War ileen anakaa yaab aragnay. I thought you were being your usual trolling self in that thread but it looks like you were being serious.

I resent men? penis envy? I dreamt of being raped? Subxaanaka ya cadiim! Bichaara tumhara dimaagh bilkul kharaab hoogiyee!

You think of all this time I would now start to take internet seriously? Ok -______-

[Murax]

Funny how you ignored Wahabi/Salafi in that list. Besides Sufi is not a sect only you claim it to be.

Wahabiyya is 3rd rate propaganda from media outlets and its lazy on Your part to be repeating Non Muslim slogans from the news. I can find You hundreds people who say "I'm Suffi". Can't find You anyone who says "Hello, I am Wahabbi". The name Salafi is not what its about, it is Your actions and that is where We emulate the pious predecessors.


As for Salafi, Well Ibn Tayyima said "Al Madhabu Salaf Ma kaana Ilaa Haqqa" The way of the Salaf is nothing but Haqq. Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab AUN lived 2 centuries ago and was simply a scholar who called to Tawheed and was able to revive and guide many Muslims in the Arabian peninsula with Allah's help.