War Criminal's Supreme Court appeal rejected

[skywalker25]

Samatar has no tribal greivances, Isaaq ma necbeyn he was Just a hardcore Siad Lackey, he knew he had no qabiil to stand by him during turbulent days so he chose to be a Siyadist to remain relevant and powerful. Why do you think he completely retired from politics after 1991? Kooxdii uu xukunka la haystay wuu iskaga haray completely. That is still dishonourable what he done but Morgan and his pro Daroods were the main antagonists in the 88' saga. Gaandi aswell to name a few.

Sxb, if you want exonarate him because he hailed from a tribe that wasn't powerful, it doesn't work like that. People are judged on their actions nothing else. You can make a case for even Morgan who turned on his own tribe to appease the dictator. They should all proof their innocence and anybody who is a god fearing muslim should be happy with as many as these people being brought to justice regardless of tribe....Tumal or no Tumal, you have to proof your innocence..


Murax, sxb Riyaale was a nobody. You guys should stop slatting the poor Gudabursi coat holder. He was not part of the MOD and held no power. All this talk of him being hard the NSS is Berbera is nothing but hot air. You and I both no who held power and to compare him to the second most powerful man in the republic is laughable....

[Murax]

I Had personal 1st cousins that were killed by Caydiid AUN. Fact is if He was alive today if there were no Somali courts to try Him I nor My family would be running around the world begging Gaalo to put Him at jail at a hundred years old. I'd be more than comfortable letting His Hisaab be with Allah if Allah forgives Him its cuz of His mercy if Allah punishes Him He's the most powerful.

[Methylamine]

I Had personal 1st cousins that were killed by Caydiid AUN. Fact is if He was alive today if there were no Somali courts to try Him I nor My family would be running around the world begging Gaalo to put Him at jail at a hundred years old. I'd be more than comfortable letting His Hisaab be with Allah if Allah forgives Him its cuz of His mercy if Allah punishes Him He's the most powerful.

Comparing the Kacaan regime, who used state coffers to wage war on a tribe, to Caydiid's tribal militia; yaa saatir...

[Xildiiid]

Murax,

Who's begging gaalo you f-king idiot? They're both citizens of the United States and the victim has every the right to sue Samatar and have him on trial for his war crimes. The only crime the victim committed in mid 80's according to the Kacaan was, using a German NGO to renovate the old Hargeisa hospital, and in their war against Isaaq the dysfunction of the school system and health care was vital.

That Muslim Allah card of yours doesn't work.


Lol @ comparing your cousins murder at the hands of a tribal militia to State terrorism.

[abdikarim86]

I Had personal 1st cousins that were killed by Caydiid AUN. Fact is if He was alive today if there were no Somali courts to try Him I nor My family would be running around the world begging Gaalo to put Him at jail at a hundred years old. I'd be more than comfortable letting His Hisaab be with Allah if Allah forgives Him its cuz of His mercy if Allah punishes Him He's the most powerful.

Our belief in the day of reckoning and Ilaahey's divine justice is not meant to stop
us from seeking what we believe to be justice in this life.

[Methylamine]

Murax,

Who's begging gaalo you f-king idiot? They're both citizens of the United States and the victim has every the right to sue Samatar and have him on trial for his war crimes. The only crime the victim committed in mid 80's according to the Kacaan was, using a German NGO to renovate the old Hargeisa hospital, and in their war against Isaaq the dysfunction of the school system and health care was vital.

That Muslim Allah card of yours doesn't work.


Lol @ comparing your cousins murder at the hands of a tribal militia to State terrorism.

The funny thing is, Samatar's defense was propped up by Israeli lobby groups; because they knew once the diplomatic immunity excuse would be thrown out, Israeli officials living in the US could be tried for war crimes against Palestinians

[jalaaludin5]

Methylamine,

What I can tell You for a fact is His children are graduates of Ivy League schools, live in a posh neighborhood and are successful with families. The Man is very advanced in age. You think He cares one iota about Jail? A Man at that age only cares about His Kids being successful and they are. You wanna tire Yourself out go right ahead.

You really had me going with all that forgiveness palava ( which is the Islamic thing to do)...only for you to then turn and talk about Ivy League education and how it doesn't matter if he goes to jail.

forive walaalka Muslimka Soomali ah who's like friggin a 100 yrs old and have some darn shame for once. 

Indifference to the suffering that man caused obviously doesn't mean shit to you one way or another so next time come out straight and lay your real feeling on the table instead of hiding behind insincere "Forgiveness".

[Xildiiid]

Murax,

Who's begging gaalo you f-king idiot? They're both citizens of the United States and the victim has every the right to sue Samatar and have him on trial for his war crimes. The only crime the victim committed in mid 80's according to the Kacaan was, using a German NGO to renovate the old Hargeisa hospital, and in their war against Isaaq the dysfunction of the school system and health care was vital.

That Muslim Allah card of yours doesn't work.


Lol @ comparing your cousins murder at the hands of a tribal militia to State terrorism.

The funny thing is, Samatar's defense was propped up by Israeli lobby groups; because they knew once the diplomatic immunity excuse would be thrown out, Israeli officials living in the US could be tried for war crimes against Palestinians

Haa bro, I heard about the Israeli lobby groups.

Somalis and the government of Somalia defend this war criminal because they think they're upholdin their part of their baseless ''Somalinimo''. You'll even hear some say ''Wuxuu ahaa geesi'' and Murax's ''His children graduated from Ivy league schools'', as if that stops him from being tried as a war criminal.

Their nationalism is based on slogans and hypocrisy.

[libaaxyare]

this shows puuusssy qaldaans they only attack weaker. Samatar never ordered to kill them the people wwho ordered are the likes of Morgan Gaani and Maslax siyaad bare are all around free and the qaldaan chickens dont prececude them. They only attack Samatar becouse he is Midgaan that is the reality.

@ warsheekh if Saramar is war creminal then AUN Xuseen kulmiye afrax is also war criminal, Xuseen kulmiye lived in USA why idoors never attack him? thats becouse he is Hawiye, and why they never attack people who actually done this crimes against them like Gaani and Maslax and Morgan? becouse idoors are chicken that is the reality ethey only attack weaker madhibaan clan.

dont just listen to this idoors. similer to Xuseen kulmiye Samatar is the most down to earth general Somalia ever had and had nothing to do what Gaani Morgan and Maslax did to Idoors.

[libaaxyare]

Habashowbians need to answer this. why only Samater? you all ceeb

[Khalid Ali]

Midgaan cali samatar was the second command after afweyne he was also the defense minister during the wars , he is not just small cat if moorgen was in the US it would be the same , but Samatar is the man who signed the the letter of Death morgen carried it out but Ali samatar was the First General of the Somali army. i cant believe why people defend this general should be forgiven because he is a small midgaan. marka midgaanku cid ba m dili karo.

[Methylamine]

this shows puuusssy qaldaans they only attack weaker. Samatar never ordered to kill them the people wwho ordered are the likes of Morgan Gaani and Maslax siyaad bare are all around free and the qaldaan chickens dont prececude them. They only attack Samatar becouse he is Midgaan that is the reality.

@ warsheekh if Saramar is war creminal then AUN Xuseen kulmiye afrax is also war criminal, Xuseen kulmiye lived in USA why idoors never attack him? thats becouse he is Hawiye, and why they never attack people who actually done this crimes against them like Gaani and Maslax and Morgan? becouse idoors are chicken that is the reality ethey only attack weaker madhibaan clan.

dont just listen to this idoors. similer to Xuseen kulmiye Samatar is the most down to earth general Somalia ever had and had nothing to do what Gaani Morgan and Maslax did to Idoors.

http://www.cja.org/section.php?id=422
http://www.cja.org/section.php?id=74

But in your world, only Samatar is being tried

[Siciid85]

Being a Tumaal doesn't make him innocent. The guy is being sued by someone who directly suffered under his orders.

Personally I believe justice in the old fashion way. Yes I think someone should wack that Morgan nigga.

[Rambie]

So you're last line of defence is "He is a tumaal, 100 years old. leave the old bastard leaves.

Though people here are right. How come nobody goes after Morgan? That pieace'f shit probably lands there several time a year.

[Djiboutian]

Irony is the former so called President of the breakaway enclave used to head a "Torture ring of a former criminal" in Berbera but it was overlooked. Then We want to be given lectures of "Justice across the board". In My mind the more honoroable thing is instead of running after Gaalo courts who will give You nothing but lugooyo, forive walaalka Muslimka Soomali ah who's like friggin a 100 yrs old and have some darn shame for once. This is simply just low.

Who sued your master "Mohamed Ali Samatar" , Dahir Riyaleh Kahin or someone who has been tortured by him?

Those who you are calling Gaalo are more impartial and rational than your masters and you.

Methylamine,

What I can tell You for a fact is His children are graduates of Ivy League schools, live in a posh neighborhood and are successful with families. The Man is very advanced in age. You think He cares one iota about Jail? A Man at that age only cares about His Kids being successful and they are. You wanna tire Yourself out go right ahead.

Maa waxaad na laydahay inantiisa Zahra iyo inankiisa Yusuf graduated from lvy league schools!! Waa halki odeygii reer Cadmeedika ah - Cadaniiga - " Jiib noum taani ". Ma jecli in aan dadka ceebtooda wax kaa sheego. If it wasn't Haram I was going to reveal his children scandals.

40 jiir ayo naa leeyahay waa kids

Here are some of your earlier quotes

I personally loved MSB.

Just man up and say it loud intaad ku meraysaanisid caruurtiisa 40 jiirka ah aya lvy league school dhigata oo hadi laa xidho tuition fees-ka bixin kari mayaan oo way saaqidayaan. Bal ilahay baad idinku dharshay ninka weyn wuxu ku hadlayo eega. Mala lvy league schoolba garan mayo oo faankii bala fogaaday.

Anyways ka bood. Was MSB elected in a election? No. But whether You hate it or dislike it the majority of Somalis will look back fondly at His reign because Humans need law and order, and nobody is going to romanticize lawlessness

Whatever MSB was Wallahi I believe for Somalis He was perfect.

Human needs law and order, but you don't want the law to be implemented in Mohamed Ali Samatar which either makes you not human, according to your earlier statement, or Munafiq. I know why you opposing the trail. It is because your cronies will be next.

Marques,

Far be it. Actually deen wise from the Aqeeda I would not advocate fighting a ruler as long as He's Muslim. However I'm sorry Cali Mahdi wasn't a ruler (Haakim) according to Islam nor anybody after Him. To be a Haakim You have to have full control, and if You do and You're Muslim the people are not allowed to fight You. If You do not have full control and just claim it then any fighting that happens is called Huruub Fitan (wars of tribulation). If a hawiye or ather Clan Guy took control of Somalia would I advocate fighting Him even if He was oppressive? No.

You personally love Siyaad Barre and here you are lecturing us about Islam. What a contradiction

You and people like you are nothing but what Prophet Mohamed - صلى الله عليه و سلم - called "tyrants and their supporters" and in case you don't know what prophet Mohamed - صلى الله و سلم عليه و على آله - said about you and your counterparts here it is.

سُئِل الإمام أحمد رحمه الله ، سأله السجان عندما كان في السجن ، قال: يا أبا عبد الله ، الحديث الذي روي عن الظلمة وأعوانهم صحيح ؟ فأجاب الإمام أحمد : نعم . قال السجان : فأنا من أعوان الظلمة . قال الإمام أحمد : فأعوان الظلمة من يأخذ شعرك ، ويغسل ثوبك ، ويُصلح طعامك ، ويـبيع ويشتري منك فأما أنت فمن أنفسهم .
وهذه القصة ذكرها ابن الجوزي في مناقب الإمام أحمد رحمه الله تعالى .صفحه 397

Imaam Ahmad was asked by the jail guard when he was in the jail, he said: “O Abu ‘Abdullah! The Hadeeth that was narrated about the tyrants and their supporters is authentic?” Imaam Ahmad said: “Yes.” The jail-guard said: “Am I amongst the supporters of the tyrants?” Imaam Ahmad answered: “The supporters of the tyrants are those who cut your hair (i.e. barber), and washes your clothes, and make your food good, and deals with you in trade (i.e. selling and buying). As for you, you are amongst the tyrants themselves.”

This story was mentioned by Ibn Al-Jawzi in his book: “Manaqib Al-Imam Ahmad” page 397

Here is the Hadeeth that was narrated about the tyrants and their supporters:

روى الترمذي والنسائي واحمد في المسند وابن حبان في صحيحه والحاكم في المستدرك وجماعة عن كعب بن عجرة رضي الله عنه قال
خرج الينا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ونحن تسعة خمسة واربعه أحد العددين من العرب والاخر من العجم فقال :اسمعوا هل سمعتم أنه سيكون بعدي أمراء فمن دخل عليهم فصدّقهم بكذبهم، وأعانهم على ظلمهم فليس مني ولست منه، وليس بواردٍ علي الحوض، ومن لم يدخل عليهم ولم يُعنهم على ظلمهم، ولم يصدقهم بكذبهم فهو مني وأنا منه، وهو واردٌ علي الحوض

Ka’b ibn Ujrah (May Allah be pleased with him) narrated Allah’s Messenger (Peace be upon him) came to us and we were nine people made up of five and four either of the two numbers representing Arabs and non-Arabs. He said, “Listen! Have you heard that there will be after me, rulers? If anyone goes to them and, despite their falsehood, vouches for their truth and, despite their tyranny, helps them over their oppression, then he does not belong to me and I am not his and he will not make it to my pond. And as for him, who does not go to them and does not aid them in their oppression and does not vouch their lies to be true, he is of me and I belong to him and he will come to me at the pond.”

Reference: Jami’ Tirmidhi (Hadith # 2259), Saheeh at Targheeb wat Tarheeb (Hadith # 2244), Sunan an Nasai (Hadith # 4207, 4208), Saheeh ibn e Hibban (Hadith # 283), Mustadrak al-Haakim (Hadith # 263, 264), M’ujam al-Kabeer (Hadith # 294, 295,296), Sunan al-Baihiqi al-Kubra (Hadith # 16445). Authenticated by al-Albani in Saheeh Jami’ Tirmidhi and Saheeh at-Targheeb wat Tarheeb and his grading of Sunan an Nasai, Shu’aib Arnaoot classified it as Sahih in his classification of Saheeh ibn e Hibban. Ibn e Hibban also quotes it from the father of Abdullah bin Khabab (Hadith # 284), Classified as Hasan by Sh’uaib Arnaoot.


Check this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEpkxn5CRgU

وروي أيضا انه جاء خياط إلى سفيان الثوري فقال: إني رجل أخيط ثياب السلطان، هل أنا من أعوان الظلمة ؟

فقال سفيان: بل أنت من الظلمة أنفسهم، ولكن أعوان الظلمة من يبيع منك الإبرة والخيوط ..!!


ويقول شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية

(( وقد قال غير واحد من السلف أعوان الظلمة من أعانهم ولو أنهم لاق لهم دواة أو برى لهم قلما ومنهم من كان يقول بل من يغسل ثيابهم من أعوانهم

وأعوانهم هم من أزواجهم المذكورين فى الآية فان المعين على البر والتقوى من أهل ذلك والمعين على الاثم والعدوان من أهل ذلك

قال تعالى من يشفع شفاعة حسنة يكن له نصيب منها ومن يشفع شفاعة سيئة يكن له كفل منها

P.S. No wonder why Somaliland is an island of peace and stability while Somalia is not. If you want to have stability and peace such as your neighbours stop playing " the tyrants and their supporters " roles. Hadi kale if iyo akhiraba waad seegaysaan.