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Re: How Islamic is Islamic State?

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He's a shia and a smart guy. I thought he was iranian but he's paki.
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Reasonable.

Shia :scusthov:
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Given the intellectual crisis facing muslims across the board, we should overlook his sect and appreciate the man's intellectual dexerity. Lol
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Shia are lucky to have escaped the aquired intellectual deficiency syndrome spread by salafis.
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Re: How Islamic is Islamic State?

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Daesh are Islamic nationalists, their ideological soup includes a number of different ingredients, including takfirism (declaring every Muslim other than themselves as apostates) fascism (rejection of democracy, liberalism, pacifism and internationalism in favor of vitalism, military conquest and expansion) and salafism (romantic attempt to restore an allegedly corrupted Islam to its "original form").

Daesh are very similar to Nazis.
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Mehdi Hassan, a voice of reason? I have heard it all. Qurbaha has spawned a generation of confused.com Somalis if they identify with an Ithna Cashar secularist.
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gurey25 wrote:Shia are lucky to have escaped the aquired intellectual deficiency syndrome spread by salafis.
?

Salafi is the only true way.
The rest is made up.

That includes Shia, Suufi, Ahmedia, Alawyte, Khuwarij...
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Togdeer wrote:
gurey25 wrote:Shia are lucky to have escaped the aquired intellectual deficiency syndrome spread by salafis.
?

Salafi is the only true way.
The rest is made up.

That includes Shia, Suufi, Ahmedia, Alawyte, Khuwarij...
actually its other way around.. its salafism whichs made up by saudi arabia and spread in to islam world thanks to billions of dollars of saudi oil money...
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ISIS and the Shabaab attract those that are inclined to violence. They probably would've kill someone eventually, they just wanted an some sort of excuse or validation. And jihad gives them that excuse. Same with the girls going to join ISIS for sexual jihad. They were whores that wanted to get turned out and are using this as an excuse.

both men and women that join these groups are pathetic.
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gurey25 wrote:Shia are lucky to have escaped the aquired intellectual deficiency syndrome spread by salafis.
This is so overlooked it's shocking. They are the only group of muslims that still have a strong intellectual elite that protect them from the onslaught of the west and extremist Islamic ideologies.
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MaliPrince wrote:ISIS and the Shabaab attract those that are inclined to violence. They probably would've kill someone eventually, they just wanted an some sort of excuse or validation. And jihad gives them that excuse. Same with the girls going to join ISIS for sexual jihad. They were whores that wanted to get turned out and are using this as an excuse.

both men and women that join these groups are pathetic.
You're half-right. ISIS and shabab attract the mentally deficient losers with nothing to lose. I've noticed the types that join ISIS from the west are former sluts, drug-addicts, alcohol-drinking club-goers. People with very little going in their lives - the parents talk shit about "my daughter was an A student bla bla bla" - it's lies. They are the dregs of their communities and if we were in the 60s they would be joining hippies and radical leftists.
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DR-YALAXOOW wrote:
Togdeer wrote:
gurey25 wrote:Shia are lucky to have escaped the aquired intellectual deficiency syndrome spread by salafis.
?

Salafi is the only true way.
The rest is made up.

That includes Shia, Suufi, Ahmedia, Alawyte, Khuwarij...
actually its other way around.. its salafism whichs made up by saudi arabia and spread in to islam world thanks to billions of dollars of saudi oil money...
So you are saying Salifi is wrong and shia, suufi is right?

Saudi leaders are wahadi, they may claim to be salafi, but they don't fellow the salaf.
IS also claim to be sunni salafs, but we all know they are khiwarij.

Salafi is the knowledge that has been passed down from the prophets generation (PBUH), to the sahaabas, then to the fellowers of the sahaabas, then their fellowers...
The knowledge has been passed through the uluma. These uluma are the true leaders of Islam and the protectors of the religion. They are free from politics. Blame the Arab leaders, but keep the uluma out of this.
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I like most of his inputs in general. Puts a lot of haters in check- which is always good!
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COOL-MAN wrote:Fah,

Is Mehdi hassan Shia?
Does it matter? Can you not appreciate his eloquent defense of Islam and Muslims through all forms of media, without knowing "ey yo, what set you throw up"

Yeah, I just compared Sunni and Shia to squabbling gangs because that's exactly what they are. In the 10th century, hanbalis and shaafiic used to fight running street battle in Baghdad with destructive rioting because each was convinced that they, and they alone, had The Truth(TM), and that they, and they alone, were the Saved Sect(TM).

2015 and nothing has changed, it's actually gotten worse. Motherfaarax still believe that they, and only they, are eligible to go to Jannah, and everybody else including the Messenger's benevolent Uncle Abu Talib, are gonna fry in hell for eternity.

The ignorant hubris of it all, b.
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Re: How Islamic is Islamic State?

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James Dahl wrote:Daesh are Islamic nationalists, their ideological soup includes a number of different ingredients, including takfirism (declaring every Muslim other than themselves as apostates) fascism (rejection of democracy, liberalism, pacifism and internationalism in favor of vitalism, military conquest and expansion) and salafism (romantic attempt to restore an allegedly corrupted Islam to its "original form").

Daesh are very similar to Nazis.
First of all, I appreciate you using the word Daesh to refer to those lunatics. It shows how sensitive you are to the on-going demonization of Islam and Muslims by Islamaphobes and your effort to be respectful towards Islam and Muslims. Off-topic, but I find it incredibly ironic that foul-mouthed ingrates who insult other peoples mothers on a daily basis and defend war-crimes because "waa tol-kayga", these same people will insist that you, James Dahl, will fry in hell for eternity, while they and their warlords will be chilling in Heaven. Because "dee shaykhul islaam baa sidaa yiri, ina adeer".

2nd of all, While I agree that Daesh shares some of the traits you mentioned with the Nazis, I think they are decidedly worse than the Nazis in any comparison because the Nazis didn't claim that they were speaking in the name of God, nor did they use the Bible as justification for their atrocities. Daesh does.
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