Brothers and sisters is SOMALINIMO still alive? VOTE

[MarsinQorahay]

Somalinimo is still alive, i remember me and my mom being stuck in paris airport on the way to addis ababa due to plane's motor, there were alot of somalis and ethiopians and jareers, jareers was usually doing their thing, way buuqbuuqiyeen while we the somalis gathered in one spot and slept there for 1 night.

[Thuganomics]

Somalinimo is still alive. Recently I was in Djibouti and was stranded there as the plane suddenly was delayed for a couple of days. Some random stranger I met at the airport offered me to stay at his villa in the meantime out of Somalinimo. So, it's still out there.

This reminds me of once when I landed in Dubai and my connecting flight to SL was from Shaarja.I had to catch a taxi to there but the driver said he won't take dollars or pound sterling.Which was all I had.I saw some random Somali walking past and asked him "waryaa,niyaho boqolkan dollar orod oo ii soo sarif".He took off with the money.The Sudanese driver was like."WTF you give your money to some random stranger" I told him "we are Somalis,back home we are at each others throats but abroad we're all brothers"
Ten minutes later sure enough he came back with 300 odd dirhams.I gave him 100 gave the taxi driver 75 for the journey.
Yeah so Somalinmo is alive and well

[YummyMummy]

Somalis are siblings wherever they are, fight in the worst way & support in the best way

[Togdeer]

Somalis are siblings wherever they are, fight in the worst way & support in the best way

[Bandit]

I have more loyalty to the British State than to 'Somalinimo'. My closest enemy is a fellow 'Somali' Muslim so it is paradoxical to talk about Somalinimo or even Islamic Brotherhood when it is your own that pose a danger in the immediate short term.

That being said, first loyalty is to Tolka unless they are acting immorally.

Ohh shit how did I miss this isaaq explain to me why your people don't worship british whiteman when your brother clearly thinks otherwise

[Bandit]

For the question I contribute alot to somalinimo when I can

[Itrah]

Ohh shit how did I miss this isaaq explain to me why your people don't worship british whiteman when your brother clearly thinks otherwise

zumaale is a south somali dir, not a somalilander.

[Bandit]

Ohh shit how did I miss this isaaq explain to me why your people don't worship british whiteman when your brother clearly thinks otherwise

zumaale is a south somali dir, not a somalilander.

What? why does he think of him self as isaaq then?

[zumaale]

Ohh shit how did I miss this isaaq explain to me why your people don't worship british whiteman when your brother clearly thinks otherwise

zumaale is a south somali dir, not a somalilander.

What? why does he think of him self as isaaq then?

War waxan ya ika qaabto, Apti I am a British citizen, hence, my comment. Nothing to do with Somaliland or Isaaq.

[Estarix]

So long as the somali people are depended on the qabiil system then somalinimo takes a back seat, the qabiil comes first regardless. What needs to die is the dependence on the qabiil system which is still at the forefront on how Somalis function day to day regardless of the environment. It doesn't matter how qabiilist an individual can be, qabyalaad is simply an expression of qabiil system that exists.

Qabiil doesn't die when people cease to engage in qabyaalad, no, it dies the day the dependence on qabiil dies. Today, if alshabab were to withdraw from the south and the the same for the government. Mogadishu would be partitioned, the major clans would go at it and so would the smaller ones. What keeps this from happening in some places such as the north is a system put in place whilst aggrandizing the role of the clan and it's figure heads though using this it's able to prevent conflict and conflict on a macro level - but it means the qabiil system hasn't died yet it just remains dormant but as important as ever. Somalia is simply a macro sized version of "Somalia" for the past 1000 years. Somaliland president is simply a simply a sultan and the guurti are the elders who maintain peace. And the people live no different to how they lived for the past 1000 years.

What Somalia needs is not some governmental or some enlightenment but a change in lifestyle - an urban/agriculture shift and moving away from the values/culture associated with the pastoral lifestyle ( stigmatizing clans and jobs, general malaise ). In my view anyone in the qurbaha that promotes the condition/lifestyle of somali commoner today is compliant with the shit that has happened in Somalia since the last century. 90% of the problems that exist in Somalia, the famine, refugee, partition, hate, absence of government, extreme poverty can all be put down to the qabiil system which is at it's root conflicting with the sedentary based modern forms of lifestyle/governance.

[zumaale]

So long as the somali people are depended on the qabiil system then somalinimo takes a back seat, the qabiil comes first regardless. What needs to die is the dependence on the qabiil system which is still at the forefront on how Somalis function day to day regardless of the environment. It doesn't matter how qabiilist an individual can be, qabyalaad is simply an expression of qabiil system that exists.

Qabiil doesn't die when people cease to engage in qabyaalad, no, it dies the day the dependence on qabiil dies. Today, if alshabab were to withdraw from the south and the the same for the government. Mogadishu would be partitioned, the major clans would go at it and so would the smaller ones. What keeps this from happening in some places such as the north is a system put in place whilst aggrandizing the role of the clan and it's figure heads though using this it's able to prevent conflict and conflict on a macro level - but it means the qabiil system hasn't died yet it just remains dormant but as important as ever.

What Somalia needs is not some governmental or some enlightenment but a change in lifestyle - an urban/agriculture shift and moving away from the values/culture associated with the pastoral lifestyle ( stigmatizing clans and jobs, general malaise ). In my view anyone in the qurbaha that promotes the condition/lifestyle of somali commoner today is compliant with the shit that has happened in Somalia since the last century. 90% of the problems that exist in Somalia, the famine, refugee, partition, hate, absence of government, extreme poverty can all be put down to the qabiil system which is at it's root conflicting with the sedentary based modern forms of lifestyle/government.

Most of the posters are commenting on the concept of Somalinimo from a subjective and micro angle. At the macro level, it is a case of competing clan interests that overrides a sense of belonging to the same ethnic group. They will feed each other to the sharks as illustrated by the grievances of various clans. For instance, Siyad Barre paying Rhodesian pilots to bomb Hargeysa or Ogaden individuals being handed over to Ethiopia by the Somaliland and Puntland authorities.

It goes without saying that diaspora Somalis when few in number will gravitate towards each other and individual acts of kindness are bound to be found amongst us even in the worst of times (Civil War). There are plenty of small time Schindlers'. However, the bigger picture is that we are not or never were united by a common bond of Somalinimo as illustrated by the clan system we have in place.

[Estarix]

Yes qabiil comes first, but that doesnt mean somalinimo doesnt exist. It simply exists on a different level - it's not primary but secondary. have you read the quote which says: "Somalis will fight/kill one another but when a foreigner comes in they will band together to fight against him" this is the kind of somalinimo that existed on a political level but no longer - but it very much exists on a social level. It's this state that endured the peace in Somali (struggle for somaliweyne) on a macro level - on a micro level somali clans were still massacring one another (even with the help of police and parliamentarian) in the 60s and 70s. When this no longer endured or remained to keep the peace things blew up.

[Skippa]

I said it before and I'll say it again. Somalinimo is overrated

[YummyMummy]

I said it before and I'll say it again. Somalinimo is overrated

why?

[Kareem99]

Maashaa Allah all these amazing comments reflect what I've seen my entire life with regards to Soomaalinimo, whether in the horn or abroad. Waa Alle mahadii

Zumaale: you say we can never be united because of the "clan first." attitude. I ask you this walaal: if Brandenburg in the North and Bavaria in the South can be united under the Federal Republic of Germany, then why can't Puntland and Southwestern State be united under a united federal Somalia? (I know it already is, but we're discussing a sense of belonging among the people in their hearts). Many Germans today are still proud of their state and ancestral land, and there is a great degree of loyalty to it. But they come together for the greater good of the German federation. Their past isn't pretty either, they were as fragmented as a nation can be and for a very long time at that, but they have overcome their differences and so can we. I think Somalis are more than capable of doing just that (and we do) but it will take some time to come to fruition in the form of a functioning government haddu Rabbi idmo.

Qabiil/Tolka has its benefits (i.e. ancestry, qaaraan, etc...) but governance? So many poor Somalis would jump at the chance to be in an economically prosperous and powerful Somalia, even though the President might NOT come from their clan/tribe.