catch-22 white privilege

[Kaafiye]

Privileges for certain sections of any community do exist. This is a hypothetical question and see how we would react to our own privileges when challenged.

Say the Somali/Somaliland government has issued a new policy to address the disadvantages of the minority tribes and initiated scholarships based on affirmative action for students from these disadvantaged groups to be granted special places in universities considering that these students have scored their overall high school results less than the students of dominant clans. Would you support such affirmative action?

No.

And it's simply because it's been proven that Affirmative Action doesn't work. There have been decades of study in countries where affirmative action was applied, such as America, Malaysia and India.....and it's been proven that affirmative action is disadvantaguous to the minority students.

Affirmative action mismatches students with colleges which they're not eligible to attend.....leading to higher dropout rates and lower grades. It has done unbelievable damage to ethnic minorities and should be done away with.

[Kaafiye]

I've already explained the difference between Africa and Asia in terms of societal structures and the history and legacy of colonialism. Contrary to popular western belief, Africa wasn't in need of "saving" by cadaans before colonisation and hosted some of the richest nations in history. Indians are cadaan lovers who to this day still say they would like to be recolonised by England. And indhayar countries like Korea and Japan recieved huge amounts of support and AID from the United States in order to combat Communism back in the 40s, 50s and 60s. Not to mention all the factories, schools and infrastructure built by the Japs themselves in Korea, China and Taiwan. They would not be where they are today without it. I also think it's pathetic that you shit on African Americans when they still haven't even recieved their 40 acres and a mule -let alone reparations for the crimes against the for 400 years - from the US government.

Bro, I shit on African Americans due to their poor behavior and lack of ambition.

I've visited several African countries before, and each and every time I see young schoolkids walking 10 miles in sandals just to attend school. These little Madow children work their asses off to make something of themselves. Go visit a country like Senegal or Guinea, and that's what you'll witness. The young men do what they can to provide for their families and educate themselves. Those ones have the right work ethic and right attitude

Even in America you see Nigerians with the highest graduation rates out of any ethnic group in the USA. The Nigerians do very well for themselves because they have a superior work ethic and culture. So tell me why the African Americans can't do the same thing, and why they resort to whining about "white privilege" instead of making a name for themselves and succeeding?

Don't be like these people. You're better than that

[Machiavelli2]

Kaafiya

Ina adeer, can you show us those researches where affirmative action failed and I can show you researches that illuminate that affirmative action worked well for the minorities such as their racial background and women without lumping together apples and oranges. What I meant by apples and oranges is, in the case of Malaysia, affirmative action was introduced to benefit of the majority of the Malaysians, the Malays who are also the ruling class. While in the U.S and in India, it was initiated for the benefits of the minorities.

[Kaafiye]

Kaafiya

Ina adeer, can you show us those researches where affirmative action failed and I can show you research that illuminate that affirmative action worked well for the minorities such as their racial background and women without lumping together apples and oranges. What I meant by apples and oranges is, in the case of Malaysia, affirmative action was introduced to benefit of the majority of the Malaysians, the Malays who are also the ruling class. While in the U.S and in India, it was initiated for the benefits of the minorities.

Thomas Sowell and Jason Riley wrote about this extensively in the past. There are mountains of research showing the negative effects of Affirmative Action.

In 1996 for example, California banned Affirmative Action.....and dropout rates halved while graduation rates doubled in a span of 2 years. Even in the math and sciences, blacks were doing far better.

Jason Riley's book called "Please Stop Helping Us" has a chapter on affirmative action, going on and on about the negative effects of it.

[Machiavelli2]

Kaafiya

Ina adeer, can you show us those researches where affirmative action failed and I can show you research that illuminate that affirmative action worked well for the minorities such as their racial background and women without lumping together apples and oranges. What I meant by apples and oranges is, in the case of Malaysia, affirmative action was introduced to benefit of the majority of the Malaysians, the Malays who are also the ruling class. While in the U.S and in India, it was initiated for the benefits of the minorities.

Thomas Sowell and Jason Riley wrote about this extensively in the past. There are mountains of research showing the negative effects of Affirmative Action.

In 1996 for example, California banned Affirmative Action.....and dropout rates halved while graduation rates doubled in a span of 2 years. Even in the math and sciences, blacks were doing far better.

Jason Riley's book called "Please Stop Helping Us" has a chapter on affirmative action, going on and on about the negative effects of it.

Thanks Kaafiya, since I'm using my phone atm and can't access much of the literature and studies that detail the success of the said program in education and in the work environment that has produced many great results. I promise you that I will post it when I get home. I'm well aware of Sowel who is a conservative African-American and despite the success of the program, he insists that affirmative action does more harm than good to African Americans. He is a minority of Neo liberal black voices. The premise of his rejection of the program is that it violates the constitutional rights of white men (the same reason why California banned it) and it lowers the self-esteem of black people. A vast majority of white women succeeded through affirmative action, why can't Afro-Americans Succeed too? Most on the program did. He is discussing the lack of success of the majority of African Americans in education but not those who received the program. It is a very complex issue. However, I can mention many successful people here who were recipients of such programs from the top of my head, if I'm not wrong the Obama's and Eric Holder were such notable recepients of the said program. I don't want their kids to utilise such program. Let us be very clear on few points from the outset in this debate. Is it controversial? Yes, it is. Is it fair? No, it is isn't. Is it rewarding failure? No, it is isn't. Was it succesful? For many of its beneficiaries, their lives have improved and have positively contributed to their society.

P.S

We can't compare the success rates of Nigerian immigrants to those of African Americans or to Somali Americans. The Nigerian students mostly come from homes where both parents are highly educated and have a leverage or an advantage over the others.

[Kaafiye]

Kaafiya

Ina adeer, can you show us those researches where affirmative action failed and I can show you research that illuminate that affirmative action worked well for the minorities such as their racial background and women without lumping together apples and oranges. What I meant by apples and oranges is, in the case of Malaysia, affirmative action was introduced to benefit of the majority of the Malaysians, the Malays who are also the ruling class. While in the U.S and in India, it was initiated for the benefits of the minorities.

Thomas Sowell and Jason Riley wrote about this extensively in the past. There are mountains of research showing the negative effects of Affirmative Action.

In 1996 for example, California banned Affirmative Action.....and dropout rates halved while graduation rates doubled in a span of 2 years. Even in the math and sciences, blacks were doing far better.

Jason Riley's book called "Please Stop Helping Us" has a chapter on affirmative action, going on and on about the negative effects of it.

Thanks Kaafiya, since I'm using my phone atm and can't access much of the literature and studies that detail the success of the said program in education and in the work environment that has produced many great results. I promise you that I will post it when I get home. I'm well aware of Sowel who is a conservative African-American and despite the success of the program, he insists that affirmative action does more harm than good to African Americans. He is a minority of Neo liberal black voices. The premise of his rejection of the program is that it violates the constitutional rights of white men (the same reason why California banned it) and it lowers the self-esteem of black people. A vast majority of white women succeeded through affirmative action, why can't Afro-Americans Succeed too? Most on the program did. He is discussing the lack of success of the majority of African Americans in education but not those who received the program. It is a very complex issue. However, I can mention many successful people here who were recipients of such programs from the top of my head, if I'm not wrong the Obama's and Eric Holder were such notable recepients of the said program. I don't want their kids to utilise such program. Let us be very clear on few points from the outset in this debate. Is it controversial? Yes, it is. Is it fair? No, it is isn't. Is it rewarding failure? No, it is isn't. Was it succesful? For many of its beneficiaries, their lives have improved and have positively contributed to their society.

P.S

We can't compare the success rates of Nigerian immigrants to those of African Americans or to Somali Americans. The Nigerian students mostly come from homes where both parents are highly educated and have a leverage or an advantage over the others.

I'm on my phone as well, and I'll post the studies by academics who argue that affirmative action has been detrimental for African-Americans.

BTW, I don't think for a second that Obama got where he is today due to Affirmative Action. In fact, that would be an admission of failure. An admission that Obama only became successful because the standards of acceptance were lowered for him. Obama seems intelligent enough and capable of enough to make it on Harvard on his own, and would have gotten there with or without Affirmative Action.

[Adali]

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[SahanGalbeed]

Plagiarism: the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own... a well known { insert somali tribe} tactic