difference between sunni and sufi?

[JamalAddow]

Salafis are scum, but they were a necessary scum, Somalis were literally Jaahils before the profileration of Salafism in our lands. Alxamdullilah the war even taught us more.

Now we need to bring back Sunnis/Shaficism.

Euphoria . You even share my ideologies.

[grandpakhalif]

Buraanbur what is a jihadi? You mean mujahid? Yes that is part of islam

[SultanOrder]

KTS don't listen to Grandpa and Sienna to very well known Salafi's a new phenomenon not more than a few centuries old. Sufism is not a sect, but they were just the practitioners of the Esoteric aspects of Islam. Islam is divided into three Islam, Iman, and Ihsaan. Islam is the rules, the shariah, and the ones who focused on it were the Faqi's, muftis, qadi's, because it had to do with what was halal and haraam. Imaan is the theology of Islam, so things like who is Allah, what are his attributes, what are the limitations, what does tawxiid entail, what is qadr, free-will, and the practitioners of this discipline were theologians, philosphers, etc. And lastly is Ihsaan, which has to do with the inner qualities of a believer, purifying ones heart, intentions, treating people well, not having pride, love of this world, helping the needy, basically perfecting the good qualities and removing the worst qualities of the self, and the practioners of this were the sufis or ascetics .

As for the love of Sufism right now, it is just another fad like budhism in the 60's and 70's, reading Rumi and stuff. These people love religions spiritual aspects without the outward forms. They like the idea of purifying the self, but not having to worship and pray everyday. They like the idea of coming together and doing dhikr (meditate) without necessarily confining themselves to believing in Allah. They love the universal message but reject the particularities. Most of these people are not sufi they are just appropriating an aspect of Islam they like.

[SiennaEarth]

PO I'm not a Salafi, I'm a Muslim.

[SultanOrder]

Sienna you are a Salafi, plain and simple...


I also forgot to mention that Budhisim/Hinduism/Sufis have a lot in common, and when the muslims got to that part of the world they took a lot from them and learned a lot from them. So just like Budhisim/Hinduism where you have a Guru in Sufism they have a sheikh (a spiritual guide), and since they are esoteric they are anti-materialistic which calls a lot of people in a very materialistic world such as hollywood.

[zumaale]

Did Sufism exist at the time of the Prophet SAWS? Was it ever practised by any of the Sahaba RAC? No, Sufism is a lot of hocus-pocus.

For instance, praying to Awliya to intercede on one's behalf is nothing short of shirk and if I am not mistaken it is an aspect of Sufism.

Ask our resident 'Sheikh', Hyper, for further clarification.

[grandpakhalif]

Ibn taymiyya , ibn hajar al asqalani, imam dahabbi said i am salafi and lived way before sheikh ibn wahaab loool nice try

[KnowThySelf23]

PO thanks for that detailed info!


you too zumale.

[SultanOrder]

Did Sufism exist at the time of the Prophet? Was it ever practised by any of the Sahaba? No, Sufism is a lot of hocus-pocus.

For instance, praying to Awliya to intercede on one's behalf is nothing short of shirk and if I am not mistaken it is an aspect of Sufism.

Ask our resident 'Sheikh', Hyper, for further clarification.

People have always prayed to the Prophet scw to intercede of their behalf, from the time of his death to the present moment. I would not say that is a practice that is limited to the Sufis. At the time of the prophet scw there were the ahlul suhufa, who are the proto-type Sufi's. So yes, sufis have a very strong connection to the past.


grandpa, and they all claimed to be sufi's too.

[Buraanbur]

PO I'm not a Salafi, I'm a Muslim.

You have the same views as the Salafis, how can you not be a salafi? You just said don't follow a madhab, follow the strongest opinion but we are told not to pick and choose from madhabs. It's only Salafis that treat the religion like a cafeteria. Also, what is "strongest"? You didn't say the most agreed upon opinion, you used a subjective word meaning the soundness or strength is up to the interpretation of the individual. Before the proliferation of Salafi Islam, the Muslim community did not have as many Takfiris, suicide bombers and blood-lusting lunatics burning bodies. It is because of this " I am my own Imam" mentality that these fringe elements have come to the forefront and been legitimized.

[uglybrother]

Sufis are a confused bunch who commit shirk by attributing divine powers to human beings. Some Sufis are also known to make up justifications on the spot for things that the religion does not permit. For example a sufi sheikh might marry more than four women and convince people that is okay for him to marry more than four when clearly that is false.

[theyuusuf143]

there is no sunni nor sufi all Muslims worship the same god and share all faral pillars of islam. how ever some groups are guulwadal who like to amaan the prophet scw ver much . others like caysha and cumar bin khatab while some others prefer cali. the muslim madhabs are not different from somaliland political parties. this whole shica suni futuud thing is all about politics.

[SultanOrder]

PO I'm not a Salafi, I'm a Muslim.

You have the same views as the Salafis, how can you not be a salafi? You just said don't follow a madhab, follow the strongest opinion but we are told not to pick and choose from madhabs. It's only Salafis that treat the religion like a cafeteria. Also, what is "strongest"? You didn't say the most agreed upon opinion, you used a subjective word meaning the soundness or strength is up to the interpretation of the individual. Before the proliferation of Salafi Islam, the Muslim community did not have as many Takfiris, suicide bombers and blood-lusting lunatics burning bodies. It is because of this " I am my own Imam" mentality that these fringe elements have come to the forefront and been legitimized.

The whole term of Salafi comes from people who claim to follow the Salaf As-Saliheen. The girl wants to not consider herself a "sect" but very clearly identifies with only 1 sect.

[grandpakhalif]

Yes they did because sufism was understood differently than today, the appropriate word would be zaahid or zuhdism. i am too the biggest sufi now then

[SiennaEarth]

PO I'm not a Salafi, I'm a Muslim.

You have the same views as the Salafis, how can you not be a salafi? You just said don't follow a madhab, follow the strongest opinion but we are told not to pick and choose from madhabs. It's only Salafis that treat the religion like a cafeteria. Also, what is "strongest"? You didn't say the most agreed upon opinion, you used a subjective word meaning the soundness or strength is up to the interpretation of the individual. Before the proliferation of Salafi Islam, the Muslim community did not have as many Takfiris, suicide bombers and blood-lusting lunatics burning bodies. It is because of this " I am my own Imam" mentality that these fringe elements have come to the forefront and been legitimized.

How can I be my own imam when there are so many imams and scholars? Since when do I posses the knowledge to be my own imam?

We are not restricted to following a specific madhab and no one should ever be. Islam is about Qur'an and Sunnah not scholars. Scholars just make it easy for us to follow Islam by breaking things down for us and sharing their knowledge. The strongest opinion = the most agreed upon I would have thought that would've been clear.

If I was to follow strictly follow a specific madhab it would be the hanafi madhab.