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Re: FBI sting arrested 6 ISIS supporters in Minneapolis and Sandiego

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Thuganomics,

Overall though I'm just wondering why Somalis are at the forefront of this stuff? There is a reason why in the anti extremism summit in the US one of the main locations Where a anti extremism campaign was launched was in MN. Why not Dearborn MI, Buffalo, NY which are almost 70% Arab?
You are right Murax, the Somalis are on the radar because most of their parents aren't as well educated as the other Muslims who have established themselves in the U.S longer than them. Within these Arab communities, they also aren't divided into tribes where the child grows up into listening to Somalia's fragile tribal politics. These kids become disillusioned with their own identity and seek one that incorporates them and that is what they find from the social media. They find technologically savvy and charismatic propagandist Jihadis with horror videos depicting as a war between Islam and non-Muslims (we all are included in the later group for not believing their propaganda) and they offer them a justification and a stage to fight back and a belonging to an "ummah". They are groomed and brainwashed to hate everything and everyone who doesn't share their views. The parents don't have the knowledge to monitor what and who their children are communicating with and are busy organising a dinner party for their next of kin tribal president from TimberLand or demonstrating against another one visiting their shores. So technically, the blame lies on our tribally divided society.

Btw, the vast majority of Dearborn MI Muslims are Shia and they have nothing to do with "Sunni Jihadists". Buffalo Yemenis have seen their fair share of terrorism busts. Have you heard of the Buffalo Six or the Lackawanna terror case?
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Re: FBI sting arrested 6 ISIS supporters in Minneapolis and Sandiego

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Less somalis are joining isis than pakistanis and arabs.the stats show that.the stats also show isis is attracting people from all kinds of educational and low education backgrounds.
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Re: FBI sting arrested 6 ISIS supporters in Minneapolis and Sandiego

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Machiavelli2 wrote:
Murax wrote:.


Thuganomics,

Overall though I'm just wondering why Somalis are at the forefront of this stuff? There is a reason why in the anti extremism summit in the US one of the main locations Where a anti extremism campaign was launched was in MN. Why not Dearborn MI, Buffalo, NY which are almost 70% Arab?
You are right Murax, the Somalis are on the radar because most of their parents aren't as well educated as the other Muslims who have established themselves in the U.S longer than them. Within these Arab communities, they also aren't divided into tribes where the child grows up into listening to Somalia's fragile tribal politics. These kids become disillusioned with their own identity and seek one that incorporates them and that is what they find from the social media. They find technologically savvy and charismatic propagandist Jihadis with horror videos depicting as a war between Islam and non-Muslims (we all are included in the later group for not believing their propaganda) and they offer them a justification and a stage to fight back and a belonging to an "ummah". They are groomed and brainwashed to hate everything and everyone who doesn't share their views. The parents don't have the knowledge to monitor what and who their children are communicating with and are busy organising a dinner party for their next of kin tribal president from TimberLand or demonstrating against another one visiting their shores. So technically, the blame lies on our tribally divided society.

Btw, the vast majority of Dearborn MI Muslims are Shia and they have nothing to do with "Sunni Jihadists". Buffalo Yemenis have seen their fair share of terrorism busts. Have you heard of the Buffalo Six or the Lackawanna terror case?



Couldn't have said it better. You pretty much summed everything up. Tbh to even say its due to lack of education isn't the whole story. Its just that When the Mom is on the phone 24/7, the Dad absent, or semi absent and the Kids falling behind in life they become fodder.

You are right the vast majority of Dearborn are Shiah but still overall it is still very disproportionate the number of Somali Youth who get caught up in this nonsense Vs Arab Youth. Also keep in mind Arab is way biggger a ethnic group than Somali so When I'm comparing Somali/Arab that pretty much sums it up how bad the problem is.


I just don't hear about many Moroccon, Algerian, Syrian, Lebansese, Palestinian, Khaleeji youth in N America getting in these situations but You'll find plenty of Somalis.
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Re: FBI sting arrested 6 ISIS supporters in Minneapolis and San Diego

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Charged are Mohamed Abdihamid Farah, 21; Adnan Abdihamid Farah, 19; Abdurahman Yasin Daud, 21; Zacharia Yusuf Abdurahman, 19; Hanad Mustafe Musse, 19; and Guled Ali Omar, 20.
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Another innocent people again labelled as terrorist just for media hype and political expediency, its all a fear mongering campaign to divert attention from the real issues such as the economic strangulation of the middle-class and the destruction of third world poor through the britonwood institutions .
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Murax wrote:
Couldn't have said it better. You pretty much summed everything up. Tbh to even say its due to lack of education isn't the whole story. Its just that When the Mom is on the phone 24/7, the Dad absent, or semi absent and the Kids falling behind in life they become fodder.

You are right the vast majority of Dearborn are Shiah but still overall it is still very disproportionate the number of Somali Youth who get caught up in this nonsense Vs Arab Youth. Also keep in mind Arab is way biggger a ethnic group than Somali so When I'm comparing Somali/Arab that pretty much sums it up how bad the problem is.


I just don't hear about many Moroccon, Algerian, Syrian, Lebansese, Palestinian, Khaleeji youth in N America getting in these situations but You'll find plenty of Somalis.
Murax

I agree brother, it is a bit more complex and there are many mitigating factors and yes, it is more than parental lack of education. If we were to discuss Arab Vs Somali youth (excluding Dearborn Shias), then you will understand that unlike the Syrians, Algerians, Lebanese, Palestinians and other Khaleeji's, we congregate specific geographical areas and it becomes easier for recruiters to solicit and brainwash these teenagers. Secondly, unlike these people, many Somali households are run by a single parent, mostly a mother who isn't sophisticated. You will see these people attend and leave the mosque together as a unit, even when their children are adults. Most of them don't live in the impoverished areas and nor do their children attend schools in such areas. These families and especially the fathers are closely connected to their sons and are better educated in our religion than Somali parents, therefore, they have the means to discuss these issues and are capable to challenge the views of their sons if they deem to be extreme. They are also capable of monitoring what their sons watch and read on the social media. They want to keep the authorities at arms length because they are mostly capable in helping their children by steering them away from gang violence and terrorism. But we need help.

At the moment, there are no programs in place to de-radicalise, challenge their views and equip them with skills for future employment. These programs don't exist. What exists is a punitive system. These guys are known to the families, relatives, friends and some members of the community. They are expected to "snitch" them to the authorities who will harass them further and push them over the edge. These security agencies are not equipped and neither are mandated to reform these young people to alter their thinking and their actions towards these young people will further alienate them. Politicians should look to the Danish and German model of rehabilitation, where the views (on Islam) of these youths are challenged by Islamic scholars supported by their own peers and at the same-time are taught skills to further their opportunities in finding decent employment. If the families, communities and friends know such a program exists, they will volunteer to inform the authorities, so they could help them before they are radicalised rigidly.
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Re: FBI sting arrested 6 ISIS supporters in Minneapolis and San Diego

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Regardless of the criticism out there, FBI has better things to do than waste their time entrapping kids. These allegations are pretty rock solid in my opinion for the FBI to nap them.

The only serious argument for entrapment I have seen is the Somali kid from Portland, Oregon who wanted to bomb the Christmas tree lighting. Even then they didn't go and find him, he came to their attention because he was already looking and communicating with known terrorists. And even then he had a million times to go back out of it and they would have given him a lesser charge. The kid actually hit the button to detonate.

Besides, you can only be "entrapped" if you are looking for it. Entrapment in this case in my opinion is a way of facilitating what you said you would do to see if you would actually do it.

All of them deserve to be rounded up instead of going over there to learn how to cut people's necks.
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Malachite wrote:Charged are Mohamed Abdihamid Farah, 21; Adnan Abdihamid Farah, 19; Abdurahman Yasin Daud, 21; Zacharia Yusuf Abdurahman, 19; Hanad Mustafe Musse, 19; and Guled Ali Omar, 20.
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Their parents must be so proud.
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I sense entrapment. Keep in mind folks throughout EU, USA, Canada, and Australia, all of the men who are accused of terrorism have a criminal past. Nearly each one of them was known to authorities, and they were all tracked. While I condemn terrorism, I am convinced we don't and perhaps will never know the truth about these cases.
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gegiroor wrote:I sense entrapment. Keep in mind folks throughout EU, USA, Canada, and Australia, all of the men who are accused of terrorism have a criminal past. Nearly each one of them was known to authorities, and they were all tracked. While I condemn terrorism, I am convinced we don't and perhaps will never know the truth about these cases.
Maybe that's what led 'em to join ISIS, their criminal past. They figured, because of their criminal history, there is no way they could get a decent job and just said fuck it and joined ISIS.
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The authorities especially the intelligence department hardly need any reason to chain you up. They don't even need probable cause. They can arrest you at will and I happen to believe that majority of the folks who are snatched by FBI aren't guilty. Don't believe in these people, they will create and spin stories to justify what they do.
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The`Republic wrote:Regardless of the criticism out there, FBI has better things to do than waste their time entrapping kids. These allegations are pretty rock solid in my opinion for the FBI to nap them.

The only serious argument for entrapment I have seen is the Somali kid from Portland, Oregon who wanted to bomb the Christmas tree lighting. Even then they didn't go and find him, he came to their attention because he was already looking and communicating with known terrorists. And even then he had a million times to go back out of it and they would have given him a lesser charge. The kid actually hit the button to detonate.

Besides, you can only be "entrapped" if you are looking for it. Entrapment in this case in my opinion is a way of facilitating what you said you would do to see if you would actually do it.

All of them deserve to be rounded up instead of going over there to learn how to cut people's necks.
You'd be surprised to find out how much time the FBI wastes on innocent kids. I've seen it with my own two eyes. Not just an agent or two but an entire crew of them.
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X.Playa wrote:Another innocent people again labelled as terrorist just for media hype and political expediency, its all a fear mongering campaign to divert attention from the real issues such as the economic strangulation of the middle-class and the destruction of third world poor through the britonwood institutions .
One of the rare cases that I agreed with you!
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Re: FBI sting arrested 6 ISIS supporters in Minneapolis and Sandiego

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Thuganomics wrote:Murax,niyaho beryahan you've become pessimistic to the extremely sxb.Tafahul Khair Tajidu man (Think good and good things will happen).It is true that a lot of our youth are endings up in the news for all the wrong things,but there are far bigger numbers that just put their head down and just get on with it.No matter how much adversity that life throws at them.They won't end up in the headlines 'coz good news is no news.You only got to go to your local Dahabshiil and see how many young people are in the queue waiting to send money home to their relatives
Or go to any university with a considerate number of Somali students
You will see a far bigger line in the graduation file than a few years back.Go to any town in the weekend and see the. number of Taxi drivers,Bus drivers,Security guards.All earning an honest living and providing money not just for their families,but also an extended family back home.Where's their headline grabbing stories in the papers.It's not all doom and gloom sxb
That's the spirit !^

Regarding this issue , I have listened to the prosecutor on the radio yesterday and he said they had chances to turn back around , they didn't , and were bent on accomplishing their mission { to go to Syria} . Travelled from Minneapolis to San Diego to get fake passport . I do not know , but we will for sure , everything will come out . In the mean time , I personally believe it sends a message to all of ISIS supporters out there . NO! don't do it !
Me too , I have stories about the FBI :lol:
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Re: FBI sting arrested 6 ISIS supporters in Minneapolis and Sandiego

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Thuganomics wrote:Murax,niyaho beryahan you've become pessimistic to the extremely sxb.Tafahul Khair Tajidu man (Think good and good things will happen).It is true that a lot of our youth are endings up in the news for all the wrong things,but there are far bigger numbers that just put their head down and just get on with it.No matter how much adversity that life throws at them.They won't end up in the headlines 'coz good news is no news.You only got to go to your local Dahabshiil and see how many young people are in the queue waiting to send money home to their relatives
Or go to any university with a considerate number of Somali students
You will see a far bigger line in the graduation file than a few years back.Go to any town in the weekend and see the. number of Taxi drivers,Bus drivers,Security guards.All earning an honest living and providing money not just for their families,but also an extended family back home.Where's their headline grabbing stories in the papers.It's not all doom and gloom sxb
Sxb, Somalis are their own worst enemy.

Bad news always trumps good news in our community.

If we count the number of white boys joining ISIS by the week, I think we will be in for a surprise.
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