Somali History - What is your source?

[BlackVelvet]

That said, history is a discipline humans can't do without as we are constantly fascinated by our past, and rightly so IMO.

Absolutely, even if you are completely oblivious to it in your younger years there comes a point (some later than others) when you get the urge to discover roots, of humanity in general and yours specifically


ps How did you find the course?

[X.Playa]

History is broad term, what particular subject, region and period you are looking for.?

[2ndtoNone]

Somali history sources : Kacaan, SNM, SSDF USC litreture etc etc fadhi ku dirir sessions

[Kareem99]

That said, history is a discipline humans can't do without as we are constantly fascinated by our past, and rightly so IMO.

Absolutely, even if you are completely oblivious to it in your younger years there comes a point (some later than others) when you get the urge to discover roots, of humanity in general and yours specifically


ps How did you find the course?

It was probably one of the most interesting classes I've taken. The Professor was very advanced in age (she actually lived through the latter part of the Great Depression as a young girl), but she was so articulate and the material was fascinating.

[X.Playa]

As non so far answered your question I would help you, now you been in Wikipedia class it will take you at least a decade to decipher between the documented somali history and the fake clannish his-story one.

The earliest somali history is by geographers, beginning from the first century A.D to 11!th century, these are small mention of land and people. These range from Greeks to Arabs such as Al Mascuudi to Chinese sources in the 9th century.

Second period is mostly Islamic, I'd say from the 12 century to the 16, the best are Al Maqriizi, ibnu Batuuta, and Shahaab Al Diin Al Jeezani.

Third period is mostly western from the 18 hundreds to the present, best of them is Richard Burton and the James brothers and score of Italian and german travellers and geographers.

Forth period is mostly Somali and its post war world tow till the 1960. Best of this period, Shariif Ali Al Aydaruus 1947. And Shariif Maxamed Al Aydaruus and Sayid Ahmed ibnu muuse on Somali Nationalism.

After 1960 its all their story a load of clannish Xaar till the 1990. Best books after 1990 are written by cabdiqaadir oromo and by sheekh maxamed walaaleeye and these are on the origin of the somali tribal conflict from the 1960 to the demise of the somali state.

[BlackVelvet]

Consider also that any books recommended to you by an individual may be in their reading list because it fits their narrative. It's a subjective view on relevance and/or authenticity

[WaaliCas]

Somali history is almost entirely fabricated, myth and diluted along the way in the thousands of years the Somalis walked the land.

For example Somalis had at least 400-500 years to pass on to each others a false Arab ancestry by the time the likes of Ibnu Battuta landed in Somali Peninsula. You have to remember these kind of travellers had no sources and Somalis had no record nor written documentations. His own sources were already polluted oral Somali history by elders.

And that continued on until today.

There is no genuine desire to study authentic Somali history. Our fake historians quote already contaminated sources such as Battuta, Burton and the dozens before them including the Chinese explorer Zheng who was more interested in trade, resources and Chinese naval power than races and history.

All I can say is Somalis have no unique history than the rest of the Horn family. It is religions that drifted us apart but we all have common history and present day races only began forming or emerging in the 11th century and tribes came not long after especially amogst Somalis.

I use all kinds of sources including Ethiopic Geez ones written in the 7th century and beyond. I value written record above oral history because thst gets distorted along the way.

One thing I'm interested to know is what role ethnics, race and nationalities played in Ancient Egypt. In pre-Islamic Somali Peninsula, Ancient Egypt had huge influence in the region.

[X.Playa]

You are a Xabashi lover, since no somali shares your love for Amharas and Tigre you subconsciously convinced yourself that since your love for anything Amhara (from how they wipe their arses to the raw meat diet ) is not shared by somalis then your only solace must be self hate.

History isn't defined by feudalism, backwardness and stagnation of three thousands years, Kenya which is less then 70 years old has progressed better than this shit hole of yours, in less then 70 years they achieved what your raw meat eating dirty naked " king of kings" and jew and Judea wanna bees Amhars/Tigers couldn't accomplish in three millennia of " history"

Speaking of fake ancestry one should begin at home, the Solomonic kings of Ethiopia who pride themselves as the illegitimate offspring of one night stand through Sheaba and Solomon. Shut the f up fool.

[X.Playa]

Don't soil this thread with your Xabashi paraphernalia.

[X.Playa]

Consider also that any books recommended to you by an individual may be in their reading list because it fits their narrative. It's a subjective view on relevance and/or authenticity

Yes and those are among the books that were written during the fascist years of Afweyne Bare.

[WaaliCas]

X.playa is good example of self proclaimed Somali historian eho goes around quoting already contaminsted sources such as Ibnu Battuta and that's ehy he is upset.

The likes of Battuta did not witness the birth of Somale, so you have to ask yourself whst were hos own sources, what knowledge and record did the people he encountered with had?

Xplaya is just taking things because Battuta mentions Isaaq. Did he met Isaaq? What evidence did he had of the things he stated which themselves came from elders no different than Haji warabe?

There never was no such and hundreds of black women waiting to receive Arab semen to father Somali tribes.

[X.Playa]

Gebera Yuhans Niicle,

how Ibnu Batuuta's sources are contaminated, he traveled the entire world and he wrote what he witnessed first hand? A primary source of history the entire world respect.

And who claimed he met isaaq or daarood? Gebra Yuhans is hitting the bottom.!

Speaking of seamen hitting a dark womb, how come you concur and admire that in your amhara and tigre lords who claim their matriarch Sheaba was raped with admiration and you admonish the Somalis who claim a legitimate union?

[WaaliCas]

Old man,

You always end up getting emotional on me and I understand why you're so insecure.

You built yourself this fake image thst you know Somali history and you're in the process of publishing a book. I wish you did but you and I both know that you're living double life. You're a Muslim reer Suggule to your HY family and the villsge you left snd most likely your name is Mohammed but inside the four walls of your apartment you're a Buddhist monk and the question is do you publish this book under your Lee Ming name or the Mohammed back home?

You know you're never going to publish anything and make little income so why sweat?

First you have to overcome your double life and come out of the closet because no sane Isaaq is going to buy a book by a Buddhist same way no MJ is going to fund Ayan Hersi.

[LobsterUnit]

Wali cas.ibn batuta merely described what he saw in the cities he visited.he gives a very good account of muqdisho and zeila. No one cares if you reed geez.batuta did a good job.

[LobsterUnit]

Also,present day ethnic groups in the horn formed well before the 11th century.stop embarrassing yourself.