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what about the kurds? turkish kurds speak a very distant dialect than those in iraq and they hardly understood eachother

yer they r one nation

syrian kurds and arbil of iraq speak closer dialect than those in sulaymaniya north of iraq

every nation is like that

sidamo r not the same as other romos

we r not like the tigraay and amhara who r totally different ethnicities yet would like to call themselves the habasha nation so the notion that somalis have homogeneous culture is quite true

the world is uniting based on cultures so fock these desperate calls!

How are they the same language when you can only understand two or three words every
sentence spoken? America,Dakhtar and a few other words is the only thing I understood.
You can't follow what he is talking about.

WaaliCas wrote:Af-Maay is a hybrid of Somali and Afaan-Borana of the larger Oromiffa. The Gare (Rahawein sub-group) and the Borana can have full communication without any issue. The Borana call them Gabra (Gare)----Saglan Borana, Sagaltama Garba (Sagal wa Borana, sagashana wa Gare). The Oromo sub-groups are divided into numeric groups for example four, six, nine, ninety and the Rahawein are the same.

They were assimilated into the Somali society after the Somali jihad wars against Waaq practicing Oromo (Gaallo) even though the Somalis themselves were Waaqists just few centuries before them. In short, D&M are hybrid groups of many groups but they are closer to Borana than lamagodle Somali Maxa Tidhi/tiri.

The Oromo themselves are close relatives of the Somalis. All that separated them was religion. The Somali language that you know as Somali isn't the original Somali put heavily polluted language by Arabic and other foreign tongues (English, Italian, Indian,).

The Borana represent the closest thing to the original Somalis and the Maay people are the closest group to the Borana. I personally have great deal of respect for the Borana, D&M and the larger Oromo even though I reject Oromia as a republic (many Oromo hold strong resentment and represal against Somalis are inevitable should they achieve an independent state. That's the only reason I oppose them).

Garre have their own language called Af-Garre which is different than Maay Maay. Garre is not even part of Raxanweeyn but it is part of Digil confederation which are several clans that united under this umbrella. Garre's language is almost same as Afan-Ormo and they can understand each other, but Rahawayn and Oromo cannot comminicate with out interpreter.

dayax123 wrote:

WaaliCas wrote:Af-Maay is a hybrid of Somali and Afaan-Borana of the larger Oromiffa. The Gare (Rahawein sub-group) and the Borana can have full communication without any issue. The Borana call them Gabra (Gare)----Saglan Borana, Sagaltama Garba (Sagal wa Borana, sagashana wa Gare). The Oromo sub-groups are divided into numeric groups for example four, six, nine, ninety and the Rahawein are the same.

They were assimilated into the Somali society after the Somali jihad wars against Waaq practicing Oromo (Gaallo) even though the Somalis themselves were Waaqists just few centuries before them. In short, D&M are hybrid groups of many groups but they are closer to Borana than lamagodle Somali Maxa Tidhi/tiri.

The Oromo themselves are close relatives of the Somalis. All that separated them was religion. The Somali language that you know as Somali isn't the original Somali put heavily polluted language by Arabic and other foreign tongues (English, Italian, Indian,).

The Borana represent the closest thing to the original Somalis and the Maay people are the closest group to the Borana. I personally have great deal of respect for the Borana, D&M and the larger Oromo even though I reject Oromia as a republic (many Oromo hold strong resentment and represal against Somalis are inevitable should they achieve an independent state. That's the only reason I oppose them).

Garre have their own language called Af-Garre which is different than Maay Maay. Garre is not even part of Raxanweeyn but it is part of Digil confederation which are several clans that united under this umbrella. Garre's language is almost same as Afan-Ormo and they can understand each other, but Rahawayn and Oromo cannot comminicate with out interpreter.

true but for more clarification only the garre of south somalia r digil and speak the easiest maay dialect

those in mooyaale and wajir have a totally different dialect thats closer to southren oromo but are associated with somalis

their traditions say they hail from arsi

Lancer wrote:How are they the same language when you can only understand two or three words every
sentence spoken? America,Dakhtar and a few other words is the only thing I understood.
You can't follow what he is talking about.

lol just some letters r missing like qaaf, cayn, xaa

its like the lebanese arabic but its grammar is quite different wich doesnt change the fact that its a somali dialect

Theirs not much differences in either dialects, just gotta train your ears to pick up on what's being said. A lot of Somalis in my city speak it fluently and those that understand it but dont speak it, and there mostly from the south. Northerners have little exposure to the dialect therefore its quite reasonable for them to have a different presumption of the dialect.

Armaan wrote:Theirs not much differences in either dialects, just gotta train your ears to pick up on what's being said. A lot of Somalis in my city speak it fluently and those that understand it but dont speak it, and there mostly from the south. Northerners have little exposure to the dialect therefore its quite reasonable for them to have a different presumption of the dialect.

My family are 'Northerners' who migrated to Maay areas a century ago. Both parents speak Af-Maay but I don't understand jackshit what they are saying when they use it.

I have cousins who grew up in the states their whole lives, they parents would speak maay when their discussing things they don't want them to understand, long story short, it took 'em about a couple months to depict what was being said, and it got to a point they're parents don't speak it around them anymore. Just depends on the person and how eager they are to understand it.

Af may is Somali. Saudis and Egyptians speak differently and both are Arabic. Simple.

Jamatul linguistic wal DNA states af maay is not somali waa af Jin

the main difference between the two dialects is the pronounciation so if you learn their letters you will be familiar with it

secondly maay is abit different grammatically

this is due to the long isolation and the natural barriers between the two somali communities such as the rivers, way of life

when your trying to judge a dialect you must have some background in dialect comparisons

is cabdi bood a scholar? no. he use to be a goalkeeper of a football team lol

but since he hails from burco and have listened a lot of songs in his marfash, he thinks hes natural scholar lol

burco is the suugaan dialect not even the standard dialect like the central somali dialect

halkakan waa radio mogadishu, the scholars said no its too local

halkan waa radio mogadishu? more common so it has been adopted as the standard dialect

if you want hees, gabay yes go for waqooyi

the somali standard dialect is a pastoral dialect, means its not all the somali language

the somali poets such as yam yam, hadrawi, sangub, mustafe sh elmi always express in their poems some thing thats called poetic sensibility/ al sowar al shicriya simply bc they r using pastoral instruments such as the sorts of the trees, water sources, times, months, seasons etc

but when you need the same linguistic instruments for farming you need to go for maay and that makes it rich language

so the standard dialect only represents the postral culture not the urbanic culture

for your sake i have been seaching some maay sources and i have came across of this link and I can already understand it!

he says what sort is this masago and all r trying to give the right answer



finally the non maay koonfur is a colloquial dialect just likethe collquial french or arabic

so our reer badiyes think its not good somali lol

xaa tiri a shortness of maxaa tiri

xoow yiri a shortness of ma xoow yiri

why I have to say maxoo yiri?

fix your nomadic logic!

Sahal,what position did you play?what linguistic qualifications do you have apart from interpreting for benefit claimants?,cabdi good just gave an opinion.you are emotional about that for some reason .

I understand afmaay people more than when a lander speaks to me.

BaastoUnit wrote:Sahal,what position did you play?what linguistic qualifications do you have apart from interpreting for benefit claimants?,cabdi good just gave an opinion.you are emotional about that for some reason .

I have been following him for a while on somali channel and find him very biased

he makes alot of nonsense and you can see that he has narrow horizon by discrediting some of the songs of yem yem and now discrediting maay as a somali dialect besides his consistent burco stuff 24/7

as for me im just good reader of the continental cultures specially the middle east and north africa or the afro-asiatic cultures so i can make some cultural comparisons atleast but i keep myself to myself.


qalabksan wuxoo ka mid ahaan jirey qalab qadimi ah ooo waayadii hore la isticmaali jirey ee sheeg magiciisa iyo shaqadiisa

waa meeqo jumlad? hal jumlo ayaa dialect looqad ks dhigta!

Sahal is very arrogant. I notice it from the time I spent here that he finds anyone else opinion but his wrong.

You said the non may koonfur dialect is colloquial which means informal or slang
and you guys shorten everything like the examples gave.

xaa tidhi to maxaa tidhi

xoow yidhi to ma xoow yidhi

Now tell me what's is wrong with speaking like that. If anything show you guys are the ones who speak
with a slang by shortening phrases like the ghetto African Americans do with English. You guys basically bastardized the
Somali language so you have no right to be speaking so arrogantly.