Is military coup possible in Somaliland ?

[WaaliCas]

Bro Rambie,

My question to you is how many roads were in Hargeisa when Tuur came to power? How many for Egal? Riyale and Silanyo? And how many did each leave behind?

You know Barre built the entire Somali Republic in 10 years but from 1978 to 1991 he was demoralized and depressed. The defeat by Ethiopia had huge impact on him and the entire Somali relations. For example many of his generals left him and he became paranoid. He only begun trusting his immediate clan members and some of the Ogadens, Dhulos, Warsangeli and the minority whom he deemed as non-threatening.

The defeat by Mengistu changed him but before that he was an inspiring leader.

Of course he focused a lot of his energy in Mogadishu not for tribal reason as you guys love to portray but it was the capital. It owned the title "The Pearl of the Indian Ocean" under him and he did remarkable job there. Of course most African leaders are capital-focused developers. Look at the TPLF led government of Ethiopia, despite coming from barren Tigray, they put most of their energy in Addis Ababa.

Anyways he achieved a lot in 21 years compared to what you have achieved in 25 years. Let's be frank.

I know you're reer Berbera. Look today 80% of SL gov revenue comes from Port of Berbera and who built that? What did Tuur, Egal, Riyale and Silanyo add? What about the airports apart from the $15m donation from Kuwait? What about the old Hargeisa water pipes? What about the Madaxtooyo house? Army bases, prisons including Mandheera, what about the roads? ---- they all say Siad Barre.

Long life dictatorship.

[Rambie]

Bro Rambie,

My question to you is how many roads were in Hargeisa when Tuur came to power? How many for Egal? Riyale and Silanyo? And how many did each leave behind?

You know Barre built the entire Somali Republic in 10 years but from 1978 to 1991 he was demoralized and depressed. The defeat by Ethiopia had huge impact on him and the entire Somali relations. For example many of his generals left him and he became paranoid. He only begun trusting his immediate clan members and some of the Ogadens, Dhulos, Warsangeli and the minority whom he deemed as non-threatening.

The defeat by Mengistu changed him but before that he was an inspiring leader.

Of course he focused a lot of his energy in Mogadishu not for tribal reason as you guys love to portray but it was the capital. It owned the title "The Pearl of the Indian Ocean" under him and he did remarkable job there. Of course most African leaders are capital-focused developers. Look at the TPLF led government of Ethiopia, despite coming from barren Tigray, they put most of their energy in Addis Ababa.

Anyways he achieved a lot in 21 years compared to what you have achieved in 25 years. Let's be frank.

I know you're reer Berbera. Look today 80% of SL gov revenue comes from Port of Berbera and who built that? What did Tuur, Egal, Riyale and Silanyo add? What about the airports apart from the $15m donation from Kuwait? What about the old Hargeisa water pipes? What about the Madaxtooyo house? Army bases, prisons including Mandheera, what about the roads? ---- they all say Siad Barre.

Long life dictatorship.

Am afraid you're wrong here.
You're comparing a recognized country that was getting funds from all sides
to an unrecognized, isolated poor country with far less budget (considering inflation) & options.

The Somali Republc economy backbone (after genorus gifts and loans) was the livestock trade. 90% being shipped from Berbera.
Yet you see the only Xamar prospered on the expense of all other towns/cities. Berbera as a port was there long time before Siad Barre. The Soviets and the Americans later expanded it for pure military purpose (strategic location) Lets pretend for a moment that indeed Siad Barre built Berbera was it for our black eyes? of course no, the HRW in 1989 showed that less than 60 Isaaq importers (natives of Berbera) were given a license after tremendous effort while the majority who hail from other places got it in a heart beat and didn't have to wait 3 moths till thier cargo is approved. You can see it yourself.

It is a no question that Siad Barre was triblist from the very beginning. the few Hawiya/Isaaq tokens in his government were
just a public face with no real authority (am sure you already know that)

All the buildings and small scale projects you're talkin about are nothing but mostly used against us.

Presidential palace, also known as "Morgan's house" (the ironey) a house for a whole country? really Hawdian?
Mandera prison where thousands of Issaq where killed and tortured. (another overrated accomplish)
The few roads to Burco, Berbera and Hargisa was mostly for economic interest and state military domination.(key word Sadaqat )

Let me tell what Egal & Tur did in 25 years.
They managed to unite a nation and start a country from the ashes quite opposite to Siad Barre and blows his few demolished achievements.

Soamliland today with its scarce resources provides a free primary education with a budget of 250 million.
Somaliland has a very effective army and marine force that is slowly securing it's borders and managed to successfully combated piracy.
Soamliland builds new government institutions, schools, prisons and military baracks and sattions from Borama to Lascanood.


What did Siad Barre achieved with his endless loans?
All his projects & developments where from Sadaqat or loans tha is multiplying every year (the reason Somalia can't get a loan).
Triblism, I have records of NGO's sending food that was aimed to displaced Isaaq being distributed to Ogaden refuges while the rest is rotten in Bebrea
The 3rd most powerful army in Africa was funded by sadaqat and lost the only war he ever take part in.
The national army was a tool in his hand to settle tribal score, I have records of the coward SNA killing blind men and pregnant womens
Planted the seed of fitna among the Somali nation to stay in power and caused the current situation Somalia/Somalialnd
As early as 1976 the Somali economy was experiencing a deficit and negative growth. The wealth of the nation concentrated in Xamar and look at it now. So your claim of Somalia being a proposed nation for 25 under him regime is flawed.

Compared to the resources, undisputed authority and potential Siad Barre had in his regime, the few vanishing achievements you brag about today is a joke wallahi. It's like the whole of US jumpin up & down and taking a picture for laying a rood from New York to Washington.
A disrupting analogy to say the least.

In your honest, neutral, unbiased opinion, Do you believe that SL didn't united with Somalia in 1960
We wouldn't done MUCH MORE than few roads and small bibes?
The British did more to Hargiesa than Siad Barre and they didn't leach on our blood for 20 years than bomb us from Air & Surface.

Somaliland today is not perfect, but it's on the right track.
Imagine if it didn't unite with the south or got recognition in 1991 by now,
we would have surpassed Somalia & Ethiopia by light years!

PS: am not from Berbera, but Bari.

[theyuusuf143]

oki lets be fair I will compare xirsi gaab and siad barre in the areas of infrastructure development. I say xirsi gaab because he is the actual head of government silanyo is just symbol of unity. from the pocket of somaliland nation he built no less than 30 huge buildings each one is bigger or comparable to the presidential place itself. he built road to erigabo. road to wajale road to borama many others under construction. military academy, army structure, he increased the capacity of Berbera port. with the help of other international organisations he completed 2 international airports a thousand schools and health centers. Over 50 Wells. all in in less than 5 years. afwyne never succeed to disarm his opponents while hersi gaab disarmed furious groups peacefully.

I don't need to campare the great cigaal and afweyne. because cigaal was the father of both afweyne and xirsi gaab they just developed his legacy.

[luis1]

Walicaas

He should have left the country like Mengistu once he saw the popularity of the rebellion. Instead Barre hired Rhodesian and Apartheid pilots to bomb cities like Hargeisa to the ground while Mengistu did not drop a single bomb in the heart of Asmara despite Eritreans wanting secession unlike SNM at the time.

Mengistu was a war criminal and the reponsible of the death of thousands of innocent Ethiopians, he destroyed the lives of Ethiopians and created a big famine in Ethiopia.

[djibsomali]

ciyaal issaq tur iyoo igaal ayunbay kuu meerayssaan
kolaybaah dad naf leeh may ahayn!

The only president who managed to make something out mirqan nation was Riyaleh!
first president who brougth democracy and how to vote intii horee waa nin mirqansaan oon aan laa doraan ayaa meelahaa soc socon jiray!
First president who build the army.
First president who brougth dhulbanhantee into the government

The other president before him khamiri umbay villa morgan kuu cabii jireen!

imikaanaa wax somaliland laa yidhahdow maa jirtow
Nin kaastaaba meeshii haa isgaga mirqanmoo!!

[gurey25]

hawdian your siad barre asslicking is unbearable.
I could barley stand your xabashi infatutation,
but you go too far with this nonesense.

[Siciid85]

The three clown freak show. Somaliland is not really democratic. Ours is tribaldemocraticfascism. We have little bit of everything.

[WaaliCas]

hawdian your siad barre asslicking is unbearable.
I could barley stand your xabashi infatutation,
but you go too far with this nonesense.

And how does who I support, look up to or advocate for concern any of you including you? Ma aabaha ayan ahay?

Ninyo too many of you are on my dhalfo.

Be yourselves and worry about what you support, what you are or who you think is this and that.

Jalle Siad was great Somali leader. AUN.

[gurey25]

great somali leader????!!!!
Your trolling is definatly unacceptable
goodbye.
and i advise everyone else not to feed this piece of crap attention seeking troll

[TheCadaanGuy]

No! God forbidd. A bad government is better than having no government at all. Let odey Siilanyo have his way.

Democracy is about to get depleted. The way forward is Islam. Democracy is just a stepping stone for Somaliland.

I am not pro-democracy but I've seen many Salafis banging on how democracy is haram, etc.

Could you explain further how is this haram?

The way I see it is that halal as long as it doesn't break any of rulings clearly outlined in Qur'an.

Qur'an provides us an enormous leeway as to how we wish our government to be. A government can be either socialist, communist, or capitalist and still follow Qur'an in its entirety.

[gurey25]

it can be argued that democracy the way the west practices it is haram.
but I believe the greatest haram is allowing salafis to be loose. yhey sjould be in cages.

[MujahidAishah]

Back to your topic yusufow

Tawraad was the closest when Nux Ismacil Taani was head I think he was military..but the military won't do a takeover ilen dowladi siyad baa coup loo nacaay

Ciiro waa innu nabada somaliland ka raaco isqabsi iyo dagaal .. Maa odayga silaanyo buu ka liita oo 2003 nabad iyo somaliland ka doorta dagaal
muj silaanyo

[bakoorad]

No! God forbidd. A bad government is better than having no government at all. Let odey Siilanyo have his way.

Democracy is about to get depleted. The way forward is Islam. Democracy is just a stepping stone for Somaliland.

I am not pro-democracy but I've seen many Salafis banging on how democracy is haram, etc.

Could you explain further how is this haram?

The way I see it is that halal as long as it doesn't break any of rulings clearly outlined in Qur'an.

Qur'an provides us an enormous leeway as to how we wish our government to be. A government can be either socialist, communist, or capitalist and still follow Qur'an in its entirety.

I don't know whether democracy is haram or not but surely Islam is better. I'd love Somaliland to become an islamic state. Not the alshabaab type who stone people and such though.

I just came back from there and saw how people are really religious. It wouldn't be hard to convince them

[Siciid85]

One thing I agree with Hawdian is that we have to design our own path and walk upon it..We cannot forever follow a system in which we don't even fully understand for the pleasure of White donor nation..At some point we are gonna have to sit down and ask ourselves, what have these people we are trying to please done for us. I am wholeheartedly on board with whoever said Islamic government would ideally suit people in Somaliland. The people are 100% Muslims, So should be ruled with Islamic law.

[TheCadaanGuy]

No! God forbidd. A bad government is better than having no government at all. Let odey Siilanyo have his way.

Democracy is about to get depleted. The way forward is Islam. Democracy is just a stepping stone for Somaliland.

I am not pro-democracy but I've seen many Salafis banging on how democracy is haram, etc.

Could you explain further how is this haram?

The way I see it is that halal as long as it doesn't break any of rulings clearly outlined in Qur'an.

Qur'an provides us an enormous leeway as to how we wish our government to be. A government can be either socialist, communist, or capitalist and still follow Qur'an in its entirety.

I don't know whether democracy is haram or not but surely Islam is better. I'd love Somaliland to become an islamic state. Not the alshabaab type who stone people and such though.

I just came back from there and saw how people are really religious. It wouldn't be hard to convince them

I was saying that Islam and Democracy isn't mutually exclusive. I.e. you can have both at same time.

But yeah I would like Islamic governance in that region. Not sure why it hasn't happened already.