Hundreds arrested as France race riots spread

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

I am not going to argue one way or another about who is right or who is wrong. I am not an expert on French domestic policy. I do not believe in non-state violence and for good reason. If this continues, it will give rise to facism in France. Suddenly you will see a new facist government take power as people get fed up. When that happens, these "youths who were arrested" will end up getting take on into fields and shot in the back of the head. There will be mass deportations. It will get ugly quickly. This has historically happened over and over again around the world.

[gurey25]

Its a shame why those kids get labeled muslim.
Most of them have never seen the inside of a mosque and are as muslim
as the french are christian.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Gurey
If you yell out loud that you are a Muslim, people might believe you. Most Muslims on this page would say they are Muslims. Anyone of Muslim birth who conducts acts of violence against non-Muslim society is being labeled a jihadist by the fanatics out there. Of course, you understand this very well, as I see from your posts.

[The Law26]

[quote="gurey25"]Its a shame why those kids get labeled muslim.
Most of them have never seen the inside of a mosque and are as muslim
as the french are christian.[/quote]

It is hard for Mad Mac and co to connect the dots. They have no clue and rely only on what they see on tele. dhuuso, Kamal and Mad Mac, really think it was a French intifada? Wasn’t this similar to the LA riots without the looting. According to an article in Murdoch’s paper that I just read:

"...The violence, sparked initially by the deaths of two Arab teenagers, has exposed the despair, anger and deep-rooted criminality in poor suburbs, where police hesitate to venture.”.

”It also has renewed debate about France's failure to fully integrate its millions of immigrants, many of whom are trapped in poverty and grinding unemployment, living in low-cost, sometimes decrepit, suburban housing projects where gangs dealing drugs and stolen goods sometimes are in control."

Nearly everyone, including the French youth themselves say that this has nothing to do with Islam. But dhuuso and his friends know better. Perhaps those guys would support closing the mosques in France, outlawing the Quran, perhaps imprisoning all Muslim leaders and imams to control Islam there?

But institutional racism and bigotry in Europe and America is commonplace. How was that different from the L.A riots?

[LionHeart-112]

Even if youu look at the media, the only people that are labeling these kids "muslims" are Fox and company. The mainstream media is still using "teens of north african descent" and "immigrants". These kids are second and third generation french who have been discriminated and isolated for years. It's about time they did something.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Look, go back to my original position here. I am not labeling this Islamic anything - although you can be sure some will. What I am saying is that whatever you want to call these guys, there is going to be a right wing backlash against them. And that is going to take political form. And I guarantee you, if it leads to a facist government taking over in France, and it leads to mass killings and deportations, you guys here will be howling about the French targetting Muslims.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="The Law26"]

It is hard for Mad Mac and co to connect the dots. They have no clue and rely only on what they see on tele. dhuuso, Kamal and Mad Mac, really think it was a French intifada? Wasn’t this similar to the LA riots without the looting.[/quote]

Connect the dots?

I HAVE connected the dots and so have you as well. In fact connecting the dots is effortless, eminently self-evident and requires no thinking at all. The difference is you're lying to your self, you refusing to accept the message the connected dots reveals. Just like most of your fellow muslims.

Let me help you with it.

What is happening in France with regard to muslim participation IS Islamofacism at work. These muslims, mostly youth, have been reared by Islamofacist culture, brainwashed by it and led to believe that all of their problems is the fault of others, that Islam is always faultless just like them, that nonmuslims are their enemies and always working secretly to undermine and keep them down, that the end justifies the means to get what you want...so how do you expect such ppl to behave when things are going their way?

Suicide bombings and propensity for violence since the end justifies the means. According to Islamofacism there are NO other ways of settling disputes and disagreements then through HOLY JIHAD -- that is violent holy war.

Perverse paranoia and mistrust of others. Unsupported and baseless believe that they are ALWAYS right and everyone else is wrong. No self introspection becuz they are in fact demi-gods, not humans, hence incapable of err. Everytime they feel wronged they condem everyone to hell as God would. Every henious, reprehensible act they commit is right becuz God is always right.

Never criticise their own leaders becuz their problems are always caused by 'others,' the nonmuslims. That is why they are indifferent to bad governments in their lands but get the gumption to set cities on fire in other lands.

You can dismiss what I say above as the product of my biased and Anti-Islamic mind. Fair enough. But facts are facts and ultimetly they shape events we see around us. More and more ppl are slowly coming to seeing the problem through similar prism. That is normal, ppl have always been slow to recognizing evils of facism, nazism, communism, racism, intolerance. Thankfully there are muslims who recognise the evil of Islamofacism although they are small minority.

The great unknown question is when if ever will the majority of muslims take note of the EVILNESS of Islamofacism or have they been so brainwashed, so talibanised, so whammied to incapacitate their decision making ability for good.

"Nearly everyone, including the French youth themselves say that this has nothing to do with Islam."

Of course they would, just like they deny Al Quida was responsible for 911 and the WHOLE world is against them. That is the mindset we're dealing with here.

[quote="The Law26"] But dhuuso and his friends know better. Perhaps those guys would support closing the mosques in France, outlawing the Quran, perhaps imprisoning all Muslim leaders and imams to control Islam there?[/quote]

Not only mosques but islamic centres too. All should be closed and not only in France or in the West but across the world. What are they for but to encite and brainwash muslims, hatch mass murder plots since most are in the hands of the Islamofacists?

Re-opening them should be made dependent on the opening of churchs, synagoges, temples of other faith in muslim lands. Allow the Pope, highest ranking religious leaders of judiasm, hinduism and buddism to visit Mecca and Medina -- which they can't do at the moment cause Islamofacism says they're impure.

You see muslims want tolerance and religious rights but are not willing to grant those same rights they seek to others.

Can jews and christians proselytise in muslims lands? Can one openly leave Islam? Is there religious freedom and rights in muslim lands to others? Can you be a pagan or atheist in Islamofacist country? The answer to all is no no non...yet paradoxically muslims want religious rights and tolerance in the lands of the faiths they deny these selfsame rights.

What is that say?

It says they don't value these rights but only want to exploit them, to use them to get a foothold, gain advantage and then replace them with intolerance and bigotry they mete out to others with regularity where they are majority. Just like Nazism cunningly used the democratic institutions of Germany to get into power and the dismantle them afterwards.

Islamofacism is not a religion, it is an ideology -- an evil one. It can't be negotiated, reasoned or bargained with. It must be rejected, revealed for what it is and then faught to the bitter end. Otherwise it will take down not only the civilised world but the muslim world too.

[AbdiWahab252]

It always amazes me why rioters burn and wreak damage to their own cities and towns.

Its just like the LA riots. The rioting never spread to outside South Central to the posh suburbs where the "whites' lived.

When the riots end, where the dickens will these rioters shop, go to school etc.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Abdi
That is kind of funny isn't it. But there's a reason for it. If the rioters went into other parts of town, they'd get shot. In this case, though, it's not really a riot. And that is what is making it difficult to control. The kids are simply riding around and aimlessly attacking targets of convenience.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Soon the police will be given liberal license to shoot perpetrators. Watch, it's coming if this doesn't stop soon.

PARIS - Rioting by French youths spread to 300 towns overnight and a man hurt in the violence died of his wounds, the first fatality in 11 days of unrest that has shocked the country, police said Monday.

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As urban unrest spread to neighboring Belgium and possibly Germany, the French government faced growing criticism for its inability to stop the violence, despite massive police deployment and continued calls for calm.

On Sunday night, vandals burned more than 1,400 vehicles, and clashes around the country left 36 police injured, setting a new high for overnight arson and violence since rioting started last month, national police chief Michel Gaudin told a news conference.

Australia, Austria, Britain, Germany and Hungary advised their citizens to exercise care in France, joining the United States and Russia in warning tourists to stay away from violence-hit areas.

Alain Rahmouni, a national police spokesman, said the man who was beaten died at a hospital from injuries sustained in the attack, but he had no immediate details of the victim's age or his attacker.

The man was caught by surprise by an attacker after rushing out of his apartment building to put out a trash can fire, Rahmouni said.

Apparent copycat attacks spread outside France for the first time, with five cars torched outside Brussels' main train station, police in the Belgian capital said.

The mayhem started as an outburst of anger in suburban Paris housing projects and has fanned out nationwide among disaffected youths, mostly of Muslim or African origin, to become France's worst civil unrest in more than a decade.

Attacks overnight Sunday to Monday were reported in 274 towns, and police made 395 arrests, Gaudin said.

"This spread, with a sort of shock wave spreading across the country, shows up in the number of towns affected," Gaudin said, noting that the violence appeared to be sliding away from its flash point in the Parisian suburbs and worsening elsewhere.

It was the first time police had been injured by weapons' fire and there were signs that rioters were deliberately seeking out clashes with police, officials said.

Among the injured police, 10 were hurt by youths firing fine-grain birdshot in a late-night clash in the southern Paris suburb of Grigny, national police spokesman Patrick Hamon said. Two were hospitalized, but the injuries were not considered life-threatening. One was wounded in the neck, the other in the legs.

The unrest began Oct. 27 in the low-income Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois after the deaths of two teenagers of Mauritanian and Tunisian origin. The youths were accidentally electrocuted as they hid from police in a power substation. They apparently thought they were being chased.

About 4,700 cars have been burned in France since the rioting began and 1,200 suspects were detained at least temporarily, Gaudin said.

The growing violence is forcing France to confront long-simmering anger in its suburbs, where many Africans and their French-born children live on society's margins, struggling with high unemployment, racial discrimination and despair — fertile terrain for crime of all sorts as well as for Muslim extremists offering frustrated youths a way out.

France, with 5 million Muslims, has the largest Islamic population in Western Europe.

President Jacques Chirac, whose government is under intense pressure to halt the violence, promised stern punishment for those behind the attacks, making his first public comments Sunday since the riots started.

"The law must have the last word," Chirac said after a security meeting with top ministers. France is determined "to be stronger than those who want to sow violence or fear, and they will be arrested, judged and punished."

France's biggest Muslim fundamentalist organization, the Union for Islamic Organizations of France, issued a fatwa, or religious decree, that forbade all those "who seek divine grace from taking part in any action that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others."

Arsonists burned two schools and a bus in the central city of Saint-Etienne and its suburbs, and two people were injured in the bus attack. Churches were set ablaze in northern Lens and southern Sete, he said.

In Colombes in suburban Paris, youths pelted a bus with rocks, sending a 13-month-old child to the hospital with a head injury, Hamon said, while a daycare center was burned in Saint-Maurice, another Paris suburb.

Much of the youths' anger has focused on law-and-order Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, whose reference to the troublemakers as "scum" appeared to inflame passions.

[AbdiWahab252]

I wonder if they burned down their own vehicles

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

I wouldn't bet on it. But they probably did burn vehicles in their own neighborhoods.

[AbdiWahab252]

I am all for civil distrubance in an orderly manner. However, when you cross the line and start destroying property of your own community, then its time to break some heads.

Why not be constructive and demonstrate in front of Chirac's place ?

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"] Why not be constructive and demonstrate in front of Chirac's place ?[/quote]

Good question?

There can be arguement that since these ppl hail from societies where the alliegence is paid to family, clan and tribe first and then state, that these ppl don't have same respect or appreciation for civil disobedience. Like early Italians in America. But these are, we are told, second generation, young ppl born and bread in France. And yet they have no civic reponsibility. No respect for authority and rule of law.

[B-MAX]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]I am all for civil distrubance in an orderly manner. However, when you cross the line and start destroying property of your own community, then its time to break some heads.

Why not be constructive and demonstrate in front of Chirac's place ?[/quote]



A Moryaan is wondering why people are destroying property of your own community????

...and he's giving some advise to us.......Why not be constructive and demonstrate in front of Chirac's place?

Yeah right! Why didn't the Moryaans be CONSTRUCTIVE first?


There's a Swahili saying....... NYANI HAONI KUNDULE BALI HUONA LA MWENZAKE!

Hutu -boy
The same Question should be asked about your Moryaanimo behavior in Mogadishu today!




Back to the Topic!

WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE....BUT IT WAS ALWAYS BURNING!