Superiority complex of Somalis

[SaciidAyanleh]

It's our greatest flaw, actually, at least since the inception of the modern State in Somalia.

Every oday is a King without a crown in his own mind, and each and every one must be pleased in order for there to be peace

[Robotic]

I dont see where the problom is. Its much more better to be prideful, confident, loud and spontaniuse rather than being passive with xishood badan and quite.

People who are not social and active never get anywhere. That's why you find young people who just came from Somalia (reer miyi) very intelligent, wise and outspoken with a very good attention to details. Overall they are socially very open and fun to be around unlike some teens and people here who are very childish, immature and Mamas boy type of people. There is also those people who are very shy, passive and quite. Those people are knows as maskiin and very common in diaspora.

All in all, to have superiority complex is better than having inferiority complex.

We are Somalia 1st and Africans 2nd.

There is a reason why our deen speaks of choosing the moderate way. That's the most healthy way. If you can't see that too much pride and confidence leads to destruction then that's tragic. Neither extremes(lack of/too much pride and confidence) are good.

[BowerDanger]

Allah does not like the prideful and it is Ramadan so follow the religion properly if you are a Muslim or don't claim my religion at all.

[Rambie]

I wrote a long a"' comment before my sis pulled the modems wire, I won't bother wrting the whole thing
but in short:



There is difference between being prideful and being Arrogant.
Some one can be prideful and kind humble to earth, but never Arrogant and kind at the same time.

Being prideful is a good thing, it's like when you don't accept to ask anything from anyone,
or to be seen in a bad state/position. It's what makes a man hold his tears in the open instead of crying like a baby.

Arrogance is an entirely different thing, its what destroyed Somalia. I was talking from the social aspect
but you'll got me wrong.

[iandi]

Seriously...the attitude the OP is highlighted is completely moronic...and i hope for the sake of Somalis that more and more people like the OP will speak up and demonstrate to the world that somalis aren't all troglodites. I'm serious here. I don't care if they were always like this. Decades ago this attitude would've only been exposed to people who come into contact with them. Not today. The internet today has made the world much smaller resulting in the rest of the world gaining insite into the somali mindset with the click of mouse. In other words the somali attitude the OP speaks about is on display for the entire world to see. Its everywhere online...And it is not a good look. If the goal is to seek to be disliked by as many people as possible then that's fine....stupid.....especially given the state of somalia and so many of its people around the world....but hey to each his own.

I'm not even talking about the black thing about not wanting to be considered such..that is fine.....its the rest of it that is the most damaging to their brand.

[gegiroor]

Seriously...the attitude the OP is highlighted is completely moronic...and i hope for the sake of Somalis that more and more people like the OP will speak up and demonstrate to the world that somalis aren't all troglodites. I'm serious here. I don't care if they were always like this. Decades ago this attitude would've only been exposed to people who come into contact with them. Not today. The internet today has made the world much smaller resulting in the rest of the world gaining insite into the somali mindset with the click of mouse. In other words the somali attitude the OP speaks about is on display for the entire world to see. Its everywhere online...And it is not a good look. If the goal is to seek to be disliked by as many people as possible then that's fine....stupid.....especially given the state of somalia and so many of its people around the world....but hey to each his own.

I'm not even talking about the black thing about not wanting to be considered such..that is fine.....its the rest of it that is the most damaging to their brand.

Give it up, man (or girl as I am not sure about your gender). You've been running with that line for so long that you're proving yourself to be a troll. Somalis here show a diverse views, yet you're acting as if we all fall into one category. No one is disparaging any black person from America, Caribbeans, or our fellow Africans from the mother continent. The Somalis you disagreed with are clearly showing who we're, our ancestry, and how we should see ourselves. If you're not SaciidAyaanle - even tough I believe these 2 nicks are the same person - and from Trinidad and Tobago as you claim, why don't you worry about your roots, your identity, and who you're. No Somalis is chasing you nor ridiculing you. Get a life. You're not us and we're not you

Besides, Somalis in the US are producing millionaires than you folks from Caribbean - provided you're from there - will ever manage to produce in such a faster rate. Check the MightNomad's link. Your line that, "especially given the state of somalia and so many of its people around the world," is just an expression of your ignorance when it comes to facts on the ground. While Somalia was stateless for so long, Somalis have proven to be resourceful where it is one of leading countries when it comes to telecommunications in Africa. Somalis in Somalia don't have to live under the protection of British Queen like you Caribbeans do, and they have to deal with endless foreign interference in their internal affairs. Yet, Somalis are managing and doing well.

especially given the state of somalia and so many of its people around the world

You're desperate and want us to accept you for some strange reason or life-style that you want to preach here. We're not damaging anyone nor our image. We don't have to fall into your world view; we are expressing who we're. Can't you understand it? Now, if you're from place that you claimed you come from, stay here respectfully, or GTFOH

[Kaafiye]

I'm absolutely convinced that this SaciidAyanleh character is that Payitforward87 person on Twitter. I'm convinced that he is.

[Kaafiye]

I dont see where the problom is. Its much more better to be prideful, confident, loud and spontaniuse rather than being passive with xishood badan and quite.

People who are not social and active never get anywhere. That's why you find young people who just came from Somalia (reer miyi) very intelligent, wise and outspoken with a very good attention to details. Overall they are socially very open and fun to be around unlike some teens and people here who are very childish, immature and Mamas boy type of people. There is also those people who are very shy, passive and quite. Those people are knows as maskiin and very common in diaspora.

All in all, to have superiority complex is better than having inferiority complex.

We are Somalia 1st and Africans 2nd.

Bro, these people want to make our people into passive, weak people who have no sense of pride or honor. We Somali have always been a prideful people, and this is well documented.

Even White British historians wrote back in the 1800's about how the behavior, mannerisms, and character of Somalis reflect that of an incredibly unique people with no sense of inferiority towards other racial groups, especially the White Europeans.

Our temperament ensured our survival as a people, it ensured our ethnic homogeneity, and it ensured that we Somalis inhabit the largest territory out of ANY SINGLE ETHNIC GROUP ON THE AFRICAN CONTINENT. Not even the Hausa people of Nigeria can come close to us.

And now these 21st century Somali Liberals want to change this. They want us to be weak and passive, with a victimhood mentality and an inferiority complex.

And I won't stand for it.

[Kaafiye]

Seriously...the attitude the OP is highlighted is completely moronic...and i hope for the sake of Somalis that more and more people like the OP will speak up and demonstrate to the world that somalis aren't all troglodites. I'm serious here. I don't care if they were always like this. Decades ago this attitude would've only been exposed to people who come into contact with them. Not today. The internet today has made the world much smaller resulting in the rest of the world gaining insite into the somali mindset with the click of mouse. In other words the somali attitude the OP speaks about is on display for the entire world to see. Its everywhere online...And it is not a good look. If the goal is to seek to be disliked by as many people as possible then that's fine....stupid.....especially given the state of somalia and so many of its people around the world....but hey to each his own.

I'm not even talking about the black thing about not wanting to be considered such..that is fine.....its the rest of it that is the most damaging to their brand.

Give it up, man (or girl as I am not sure about your gender). You've been running with that line for so long that you're proving yourself to be a troll. Somalis here show a diverse views, yet you're acting as if we all fall into one category. No one is disparaging any black person from America, Caribbeans, or our fellow Africans from the mother continent. The Somalis you disagreed with are clearly showing who we're, our ancestry, and how we should see ourselves. If you're not SaciidAyaanle - even tough I believe these 2 nicks are the same person - and from Trinidad and Tobago as you claim, why don't you worry about your roots, your identity, and who you're. No Somalis is chasing you nor ridiculing you. Get a life. You're not us and we're not you

Besides, Somalis in the US are producing millionaires than you folks from Caribbean - provided you're from there - will ever manage to produce in such a faster rate. Check the MightNomad's link. Your line that, "especially given the state of somalia and so many of its people around the world," is just an expression of your ignorance when it comes to facts on the ground. While Somalia was stateless for so long, Somalis have proven to be resourceful where it is one of leading countries when it comes to telecommunications in Africa. Somalis in Somalia don't have to live under the protection of British Queen like you Caribbeans do, and they have to deal with endless foreign interference in their internal affairs. Yet, Somalis are managing and doing well.

especially given the state of somalia and so many of its people around the world

You're desperate and want us to accept you for some strange reason or life-style that you want to preach here. We're not damaging anyone nor our image. We don't have to fall into your world view; we are expressing who we're. Can't you understand it? Now, if you're from place that you claimed you come from, stay here respectfully, or GTFOH

Bro this scumbag "iandi" only wants us Somalis to have the same weak mentality which has destroyed countless ethnic groups around the world. Just look at how the Indhayaars and the Indians imitate/worship the Westerners, look at how the AA's have a victimhood mentality, look at how many societies around the world had a deep inferiority complex towards the White Europeans, especially during the colonial era.

And look at how the Somalis have none of that. That's what she resents. She resents the fact that a typical Somali whether he's living in Hargeisa or living in Kenya has this mentality and has had it for thousands of years. It's not gonna change anytime soon.

The state of a nation should NEVER be a reason for its citizens to lose their sense of self. Never. Somalia has only been in a civil war for the last 25 years, which is nothing when you look at the long span of history. 25 years is nothing. Many members on this forum have memories of living in Somalia before the government collapsed. And most of Somali territory is stable and peaceful. I'm from Puntland. Other members on this forum are from Somaliland or Djibouti which are stable and self sufficient territories. There is no way at all that you can expect a Somali guy from Hargeisa to have an inferiority complex. No way at all. Most Somali territory is in fact peaceful, including the Ogaden territory, Puntland, Somaliland, Djibouti, and the NFD.

But these self hating Somalis want to ignore that, and they want to infuse our people with an inferiority complex.

[iandi]

i may come back and address the two of your points one by one if i have the time. Suffice it to say that i won't be getting into a pissing contest with you regarding who has more millionaires and suffice it to say that the only reason i get involved in any of the threads is when somalis find it necessary to sh8t on other people's culture in order to elevate their own e.g. "we are not AA their culture is about crime and violence." BS of the highest order of course which i sometimes feel to need to respond to...knowing full well that the amoeba who talks that kind of garbage has either no capability or desire to move beyond his one brain cell.

Be prideful...no problem....identify as a martian if you will....no problem.....denigrate other people's culture...problem....and its even more agregious when those people's ancestors paved the way for your people to be able to come here and produce millionaires as you say.

Anyway...My comments on this forum are more for the rest of the world than for some of the ingrates that reside on this forum. And btw this is the internet....if somali filth can come to caribbean forums and leave sh*t stains then i can come on here and move my verbal bowels as well.

[iandi]

i may come back and address the two of your points one by one if i have the time. Suffice it to say that the only reason i get involved in any of the threads is when somalis find it necessary to sh8t on other people's culture in order to elevate their own e.g. "we are not AA their culture is about crime and violence." BS of the highest order of course which i sometimes feel to need to respond to...knowing full well that the amoeba who talks that kind of garbage has either no capability or desire to move beyond his one brain cell. If you don't understand the concept of being proud of your people without having to disparage others then you are a lost cause.
My comments are more for the rest of the world than for some of the ingrates that reside on this forum. And btw this is the internet....if somali filth can come to caribbean forums and leave sh*t stains then i can come on here and move my verbal bowels as well.

[Yuvun]

Tell me what is a correct sense of superiority? Can you explain what this supossed blackness is or what it means?
Doesnt seem like you accept the fact that horn of africans differ from bantus & nilotes in genetics appearance language customs history geography do you? otherwise you would not be bothered by us not linking ourselves with them or associating ourselves with them would you?
im guessing you are illiterate not a single somali here claimed to be caucasian and if you could read you would see that both the terms black & negro is an invention of european scientific racism yet you use and we speak against it! White supremacy? you feel that a cadaan is superior to you?

What does somalias political situation have anything to do with our pride? Do you have so much self hate and weak mind that you would think less of yourself becuz of political instability which occurs in many other countries? f you wish to assimilate yourselves within the sphere of African-Americans, and to try and make their plight yours and vice versa, do so from a individual perspective. Do not speak for all of us Somalis living in Europe, Asia, and Africa. This is why hate somalis from the english speaking world the only reason why somali crime rates are low in africa in europe(except for Uk) is becuz you guys are imitating bunch of jamaican and african american gang culture , you will never see such a thing with somalis in europe,africa Asia!. Somalis from the english speaking world are nothing but degenerates

You know what lead to those criminalities? Which is extinct in europe from various asian ,african countries is you guys push to make urself bunch of jamaicans & african american all the day preaching blackness and think state of somalis revolves around UK & America

Nigerians are also the most unemployed broke ass people in the US while somalis have thriving business and dominate in entrepeneurship.

check this thread! about somalis dominating in business
viewtopic.php?t=364437

Buhuu go cry somewhere else you self hating african american wannabe! Imagine if koreans were running around crying about self inflicted civil war they went thru. Would they bounce back from then year long civil war that destroyed theyre country completly?


You are encouraging self pitying and victimhood mentality everything you posted is full hogwash inferiority nonsense where you try to link somalis issues with bunch african american problems, We know our problem and discuss it tiresly everyday on this forum, but that doesnt stop us from cricizing any ethnic group if we want to. Pride does not come from ones achievement and status but rather ones knowledge of self & identity and culture history. Largely something black americans dont have which is why they confuse pride for superiority complex.


read this


now go buzz off!!

Lol, how can I take you seriously when you just proclaimed that Nigerians are the most broke ass people in the US? The average income for a Nigerian in the US is $57,375. You're pretty clearly the embodiment of everything I was talking about. Somali entrepreneurship in the US doesn't extend beyond a few corner shops and even these aren't as prevalent as Arab/Korean/Indian/ corner shops. Don't lie to yourself. Somalis are generally poor and on benefits in some state-housings.

Again, you expose your ignorance. Somalis are equally despised in Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark. We have all the same problem throughout Europe and America. The only reason our problems aren't clear in our biggest non-Europe/Africa diaspora which is Yemen is because the whole country is flawed therefore no reference points.

Also, nice self-selection in the quotes you chose. I guess you didn't like the quote in the original post because it exposes how Somalis don't have any hated towards caadans and don't see themselves as superior.

Ironic like kaffiye said if a somali makes one disperaging comment against AA or black people you throw a hissy fit but if we do the same for cadaans arabs and asians nothing no comment or anything.

ironically you take a relatively old stat that was based on the fact that somalis cannot classify with any other race in the US cenzus despite the fact that majority somalis would chose another option than black or african.

This is reality!

Now the United States Census Bureau is testing a new category, “Middle East-North Africa” or MENA, in response to more than three decades of lobbying by Arab American organizations for a designation that better represents them. The testing, to start in September, will refine wording and sub-categories for the 2020 census. Nineteen options will be offered under the MENA designation, among them Israeli and Palestinian, as well as Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Turkish, Iranian, Moroccan and Algerian. Even Sudanese and Somali are being considered.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2 ... hange.html

Somalis in North America that claim black or get offended when a fellow Somalis says "i am not black" have identity issues. Simple as that they can cry all they want about being denied their blackness whatever that means.

We are not the only group that refuses to be identified as black look at every other africans that migrated to North America. Nigerians,Sudanese Ethiopians and so on all refuse to be categorized or label as blacks. You hear time after time "i am african" We don't share anything with the blacks or african american or whatever you want to call them.

Jews in America don't want to label caucasians. Arabs don't want to be labeled as caucasians that they are petitioning the US census bureau to add new category so they don't get grouped together with somebody they have nothing in common with.

And somalis in UK have already change the census from black or african to simply somali! To somalis in uk & Australia only list of as Somali.

This is somalinet.com not ISlandmix,com or Hiphop.com! So take ur african american wannabe having ass to theyre forums.
We have had enough of you projecting ur identity complex and ur pro black nonsense on to us.

You need Dhaqan Celis ASAP!

Oh please, every Somali knows that we don't really have that much hatred for cadaans or Arabs, making little remarks here and there isn't really indicative of anything.

You're an idiot, that wasn't the UK census. That was one form you idiot, the vast majority of forms don't make any sort of distinction between Somalis and Black African. And look at you jumping and celebrating Arabs wanting to classify Somalia as with them, Sudanese actually have a claim considering they're culturally Arab and Arab is a pan-ethnic identity. But, the only reason why they're considering Somalia is because our membership with Arab league. And guess why that happened? Because of Said Barre. Why? Because he wanted support and assistance from Arab countries therefore propagated a myth that we are "African Arabs".

Oh please, there's a difference between identifying as your ethnic group, as I said I always say I'm Somali. But, only you idiots get offended about being called Black. There's times where your Somali, there's times where your African, there's times where your black. None of these are mutually exclusive.

Yeah because African-Americans are a monolith huh? And Somalis have generally embraced African-American culture (music/dress code) therefore I'd say we are starting to have a lot in common.

[gegiroor]

i may come back and address the two of your points one by one if i have the time. Suffice it to say that i won't be getting into a pissing contest with you regarding who has more millionaires and suffice it to say that the only reason i get involved in any of the threads is when somalis find it necessary to sh8t on other people's culture in order to elevate their own e.g. "we are not AA their culture is about crime and violence." BS of the highest order of course which i sometimes feel to need to respond to...knowing full well that the amoeba who talks that kind of garbage has either no capability or desire to move beyond his one brain cell.

Be prideful...no problem....identify as a martian if you will....no problem.....denigrate other people's culture...problem....and its even more agregious when those people's ancestors paved the way for your people to be able to come here and produce millionaires as you say.

Anyway...My comments on this forum are more for the rest of the world than for some of the ingrates that reside on this forum. And btw this is the internet....if somali filth can come to caribbean forums and leave sh*t stains then i can come on here and move my verbal bowels as well.

You're already pissing here, fella. Every thing you posted here is mean-spirited and provocative. Since when did a fella "claiming" to have come from the Caribbean became a spokesperson for black Americans? This is one of the proofs that you're not who you claimed to be. If you didn't come here other than being provocative, why didn't you contribute to other topics? No Somalis is dissing on other people's culture. Keep in mind I've seen many Caribbeans who are keeping their distance from AAs. I saw it with my own eyes, so it is not like a Somali thing only. I was briefed in my first job in America by 2 fellow Africans from Nigeria and Ghana that I want to keep my distance from AAs. That does not mean there are no good people among AAs; there are indeed many good people amongs them, but by and large it is better for Africans, Somalis included, keep their distance from AAs. Their experiences - despite my sympathy with them in their ordeal in America - is not our experiences. Their struggle is different than others. And we wish the best of luck to them, however, we want to tell our young and our people in general that we're only Somalis. No other description or connotations can describe us!

Second, if you have a problem with that statement that you quoted where someone stated, "we are not AA their culture is about crime and violence," could you explain to us how do black Americans, who're only 12% of America's population, make-up 60% of the prison population in America? This does not mean I am taking comfort in their plight; I am not. But in reality, statistics do tell a story, and that is, that community is one that is crime-ridden. Still, if any of them is arrested unjustly, they have my sympathy. However, statistics don't lie.

Bottom line, we're Somalis and that is our only description of who we're. You got a problem with that, be my guest!

[Kaafiye]

Oh please, every Somali knows that we don't really have that much hatred for cadaans or Arabs, making little remarks here and there isn't really indicative of anything.

You're an idiot, that wasn't the UK census. That was one form you idiot, the vast majority of forms don't make any sort of distinction between Somalis and Black African. And look at you jumping and celebrating Arabs wanting to classify Somalia as with them, Sudanese actually have a claim considering they're culturally Arab and Arab is a pan-ethnic identity. But, the only reason why they're considering Somalia is because our membership with Arab league. And guess why that happened? Because of Said Barre. Why? Because he wanted support and assistance from Arab countries therefore propagated a myth that we are "African Arabs".

Oh please, there's a difference between identifying as your ethnic group, as I said I always say I'm Somali. But, only you idiots get offended about being called Black. There's times where your Somali, there's times where your African, there's times where your black. None of these are mutually exclusive.

Yeah because African-Americans are a monolith huh? And Somalis have generally embraced African-American culture (music/dress code) therefore I'd say we are starting to have a lot in common.

You're the one who's so ridden with defeatism that you allow yourself to be defined by arbitrary color terms invented in America, which is a country that the vast majority of Somalis do not reside in. Again, there are more Somalis in Garowe alone than the entire North America, yet you want to attach ourselves to people who do not have anything in common with us. Be it racially, ethnically, historically, or culturally. The few Somalis who do live in North America have only started arriving within the last 25 years or so. We are not the same people. Their experiences are not our experiences.

We Somalis have about as much in common with Tamil refugees in Canada and the USA, or as much in common with Iraqi refugees in Canada and the USA. I do not even consider Barack Obama to truly be an African-American, as he was not descended from the American slave trade, and his father was not a resident of the US. He is an American of partially Kenyan Luo descent. That's all there is to say about it. There is NOTHING that binds a Somali refugee in Minnesota with an African-American guy in the same city as him, other than skin color. But if you want to play the skin color game then why not include Tamils, dark Yemenis, Australoids and dark-skinned Berbers?

You're grasping at straws here. You're so ridden with an inferiority complex that you put yourself under a label which does not include you. I know plenty of Tamils who wrongfully take on AA culture, including their dress code and music. But they never consider themselves Black, despite the damage which this culture is causing them.

[TheMightyNomad]

Oh please, every Somali knows that we don't really have that much hatred for cadaans or Arabs, making little remarks here and there isn't really indicative of anything.

What is this based on? be honest! but those same little remarks are really indicative of us having hatred for blacks?

despite the countless threads that show hatred towards arabs and cadaans

viewtopic.php?t=348814

viewtopic.php?t=366780

viewtopic.php?t=364087

The arab hating get soo bad that they have discontinue topics or delete them
viewtopic.php?t=362735

and last
viewtopic.php?t=350147

The amount of hate we throw against arabs and white people everyday yet i have to see one come here crying about it or care 2cents of it!

You're an idiot, that wasn't the UK census. That was one form you idiot, the vast majority of forms don't make any sort of distinction between Somalis and Black African. And look at you jumping and celebrating Arabs wanting to classify Somalia as with them, Sudanese actually have a claim considering they're culturally Arab and Arab is a pan-ethnic identity. But, the only reason why they're considering Somalia is because our membership with Arab league. And guess why that happened? Because of Said Barre. Why? Because he wanted support and assistance from Arab countries therefore propagated a myth that we are "African Arabs".

YOu ignoramous!!
That was the UK census you idiot and in america somalis are petitioning for a different census from blacks into mena or simply somali.
i dont care for ur opinions The fact stands in the UK somalis pushed to be listed as simply somali and they got theyre call now they are doing the same thing in America. Somalis are not classifying arabs with them you dumb fuck! You are stupid its all about politics & geography if you are to dumb to realize that then dont bother wrapping ur head around it!

The censuz Mena stand for northeast africa and middealeast! Somalia is in Northeast Africa! Its obvious you idiot! Arabs dont want to be labelled caucasians or white and somalis dont want to be labelled black!.

Oh please, there's a difference between identifying as your ethnic group, as I said I always say I'm Somali. But, only you idiots get offended about being called Black. There's times where your Somali, there's times where your African, there's times where your black. None of these are mutually exclusive.

You are identifying with african americans when you call urself black! That is term associate and stem from them & the british! So why would i abondone my identity label my ancestors gave me for a stupid term that has no importance or relevance at all?

Black is not me identity! i dont speak black my nationality is not black my origins is not black my ethnicity is not black! What relevance that term have you idiotic mongrel?

Yeah because African-Americans are a monolith huh? And Somalis have generally embraced African-American culture (music/dress code) therefore I'd say we are starting to have a lot in common.

It is monolith! it is what you call the descandents of slaves in america cuz they dont where they are from!
What do we have in common you delusional fuck? embraced? you idiots in america have and that is why you go become criminals.

We dont share language, we dont share culture we dont share religions we dont share origins or race! We dont have a single thing incommon with them

You are just as bad as the arab wannabe cadaan wannabe somalis you AFram wannabe self hater!