The Galla Myth on Somali History Origin & Impact

[WaaliCas]

Solid,

Son I feel your pain because you really thought medieval white version of Somalinet forum was source from God on creation and man.

Your hero did not even know that Garre are bilingual sub-group of the mighty Rahawein instead he listed them as pre-Hawiye coz he saw the term "pre" on Western humanist authors.

Funny thing is you are trying to save a battle your own hero lost in the 15th century.

How can Hawiye be post-Garre when Garre are sab and Hawiye is in the same group as Isaaq, Darod and Dir hence Somali maxa tidhi aka Samaale.

Looks like you lack the most basic knowledge and think screen shots gonna make you look like you know what you are talking about.

The Gabra, Rahawein, Mecha, Tulama, the Yejju and Rayya are all Borana.

The northern Borana assimilated with the Habesha and produced bilingual offsprings same as they did in the Somali frontier.

I respect the Oromo as they are our blood.

Nugaal,

Samburu are Nilotic. They are related to the Masai, Dinka, Berta and the Nuer just to name few. The eastern Nilotics no doubt breeded with some of the Cushitic.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

My Question is who were our ancestors fighting? our Great Grand parents own parents or Grandparents and Great grand parents could of been a life during that era.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

https://books.google.com/books?id=xmp2l ... ts&f=false

This book describes witnesses and so on during the Somali invasion of Oromo-Galla- Boraan Lands..Start reading from page 111

[WaaliCas]

Nugaal,

From the 13th century to the mid-15th century, Somalis in the north fought with the Abbysinian Empire and like present day Syria and Iraq, many Muslims came for Holy war.

In the south the Somalis fought with their former relatives the Oromo. The two were still very identical and shared many things in common but religion was the greatest ideological war.

The Somalis did not go to war against them on the bases of ethnic or to claim ethnic superamacy but over religion. They did not go there to uproot them either. When Somali warriors captured Oromo, they treated them as their own. No inferioriy complex. They were not viewed as lower nor ugly just needed Allah in their lives. Many Oromo converted and joined Somalis and became part of Somalis not as an ethnic identity but as faith---common faith. Slowly they began to adopt Somali and often mixed the two languages which is what Maay is and the Garre.

Also religion did not strongly penetrate the interior since Somali and Borana nomads moved around a lot and religion needed permanent base to flourish and take roots such as schools, mosques, script, teachers.

Until mid-18th century much of Somali interior was Muslim by name and many women were bare breast.

From south to north, the Somalis never joined forces. The closest they came was 1977 and even then Djibouti was absent as were NFD.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

True, that is what I tought May Maay DM, Gare and all these people in the South there is alot of oromo mixture and oromo Clans, Warday were Oromo in the 1800s but today waa Somali! Just look and Listen to the Gaare & Digil & Mirifile and other clans..in the Books it does mention Somalis wanting to make them Muslims, but Somalis also wanted land & watering rights etc, much like today. Ajuraan were trading with them and had rights & protections in Booran-Gaala-Oromo Land so that the Galaas can also trade on Somali lands and coast. Degodia and Garre are mentioned swtiching sides and mixing with both Oromo & Somali. There all these clans who are going back and forth.

In the North Our last wars were 6-5 hundred years ago during the Ahmed Gran or before and after him, even in Sool & Sanaag there are places named after Abbysianian that were defeated and so on, by our ancestors by name who lived in the late to mid 1500s. no other mention of wars, when the British came they told them we took this land from Gaala Madoow. This was propably an Abbsianian invasion trying to control lands occupied by non Somali/Muslim people during the war. we forced those people and the Abbysinians out. Somalis must have occupied the Coast!

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

This is not bashing southerners, but evidence of their mix With Galla/Boran/Oromo is recent, with in the last 100 to 200 yrs, Northerners most likely did the same thing couple of hundred years earlier but the Somali Language and Culture Survived maybe with things barrowed. But the South, Language culture and the switching of back and forth between clans and Ethnic groups exist even today.

[Itrah]

This is not bashing southerners, but evidence of their mix With Galla/Boran/Oromo is recent, with in the last 100 to 200 yrs, Northerners most likely did the same thing couple of hundred years earlier but the Somali Language and Culture Survived maybe with things barrowed. But the South, Language culture and the switching of back and forth between clans and Ethnic groups exist even today.

A genetic study that compared Northeastern Somalis (red dots) to North Kenya Somalis (green stars) already discovered Borana admixture in the latter group.

This is a graphical representation of genetic diversity:

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Meesha Daad Badaan baa Somalinimadoda Shaaki kuu jirta loool

[Bilis]

http://www.wardheernews.com/Articles_20 ... y_said.pdf

Have you ever heard of Tiiri & Madaale pre-Somalis?

or s Gabra Somali clan lost to Oromo?

Excellent question sxb.

The Madaale, also known as the Mandanle and Mandileh, were basically the ancient Azanians. Who were the Azanians?

They were the tall Cushitic folks that inhabited southern Somalia, southeastern Ethiopia and northern Kenya before the arrival of the first Somali language speakers from the north. In other words, they were the Cushitic peoples that originally spoke Maay, Jiddo, Dabarre, Tuuni, etc. and possibly some Oromo dialects i.e. the other Cushitic languages that are spoken today in Somali territory besides Somali proper. Ever wonder how those languages came to be spoken in Somalia? Now you have an idea.

The 6th century artefact below was excavated from the Merca area. Given the its date and place of excavation (southern Somalia), the artefact appears to depict an Azanian individual -- the first visual representation of its kind to be unearthed. This is also confirmed by the figure's tall stature, overall appearance, attire and agropastoral activity:



The Azanians are described in the 1st century CE Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, a travelogue which indicates that they inhabited the southern Somalia littoral and just below that (i.e. in ancient commercial ports like Nikon, Sarapion and Rhapta on the Azania coast). By the 10th century, the Azanians in the Great Lakes area would be completely absorbed or displaced by incoming Bantu/Nilotic populations.

"Rhapta is described as a place inhabited by big-bodied men. Many authorities remark that there is no specific mention of negroid people in the Periplus or of any distinction between the fair-skinned people of the Somali coast and the dark-skinned people south of the Juba. The implication is that Bantu-speaking people had not at this stage moved north of Rhapta. The phrase 'big-bodied' has also been taken to refer to Cushitic-speaking people (there are survivals of Cushitic languages in East Africa)."

http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/ejournals/ElA ... ilton.html

"The Periplus records the names of ports, gives advice on how to comport oneself with local leaders, and describes the goods for trade. The Africans were tall and described as "red men" who fish, hunt, and herd cattle, sheep, and goats. These Azanians were most probably Cushitic speakers who had migrated into eastern Africa from Ethiopia, and were not the darker-complexioned inhabitants described by Muslim traders on the East African coast several centuries later. They had valuable items to trade -- ivory, rhinoceros horn, tortoiseshell, spices, particularly cinnamon (Cinnamomum zeylanicum), the most profitable spice in the trade, and perfumes (frankincense, myrrh, and ambergris) -- that were exchanged for iron, wheat, cloth, and porcelains."

http://www.google.com/books?id=PZcX2jQF ... &q&f=false

"it is significant that the [Periplus of the Erythraean Sea] author remarks only on [the Azanian's] stature. He seems, therefore, to assume that they were Caucasians, for, to a Greek of his day, Negroes would have been strange beings whose characteristics would certainly have been noted. In this assumption, of course, he was right, since, as noted above, the archeological evidence demonstrates indisputably the complete absence of Negroes in this part of Africa for centuries to come. The Cushitic peoples, however, are noted for their tall stature. The inhabitants can therefore have been no other than Megalithic Cushites who had descended the few miles from the Kenya highlands to the coast and there turned to maritime pursuits. This is attested by the numerous megalithic remains, including stone phalli, which still dot the Azanian coast."

http://www.google.com/books?id=Wt5xAAAA ... CDAQ6AEwAA

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[WaaliCas]

Nugaal,

The Abyssinian war never reach Sool or Sanaag not even central or southern Waqooyi Galbeed. The furthest they ever reached was Awdal in persuit of Sa'ad ad-Din. He was killed by Emperor Yeshaq I. Yeshaq (Isaaq) ruled from 1414-1429.

He composed a poem upon his victory and this my friend is the oldest surviving record of the word "Somali".

Many Somalis misunderstood and claim the first written record of the word Somali appeared on the Sa'ad ad-Din islands off Zeila on a rock but no the man the island was named after was defeated by an Abyssinian ruler who wrote down the word in his poem.

He wrote it in Amharic and just two hundreds years ago before him Amharic began to emerge as a language and became the first royal language of Yekuno Amlak (who restored Solomonic rule after 400 years of Agew rule).

[SolidCamel]

Solid,

Son I feel your pain because you really thought medieval white version of Somalinet forum was source from God on creation and man.

Your hero did not even know that Garre are bilingual sub-group of the mighty Rahawein instead he listed them as pre-Hawiye coz he saw the term "pre" on Western humanist authors.

Funny thing is you are trying to save a battle your own hero lost in the 15th century.

How can Hawiye be post-Garre when Garre are sab and Hawiye is in the same group as Isaaq, Darod and Dir hence Somali maxa tidhi aka Samaale.

Looks like you lack the most basic knowledge and think screen shots gonna make you look like you know what you are talking about.

The Gabra, Rahawein, Mecha, Tulama, the Yejju and Rayya are all Borana.

The northern Borana assimilated with the Habesha and produced bilingual offsprings same as they did in the Somali frontier.

I respect the Oromo as they are our blood.

Nugaal,

Samburu are Nilotic. They are related to the Masai, Dinka, Berta and the Nuer just to name few. The eastern Nilotics no doubt breeded with some of the Cushitic.

Who are you addressing? Mr. Nomad and I are not the same person.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Waali, their Army might not have reached there, but if you read fatahul habash, the people of that area where part of the campaign on the Muslim side. I think they also went to war to the non Muslim population of that area, maybe more of a communal war cause there are ruins there from olden times, and the people have myths of destroying the Gaallo enemy.

[WaaliCas]

Who are you addressing? Mr. Nomad and I are not the same person.

That was for Mr Nugaal, my bad. Somehow I thought you and nomadCamel or something were the same thing

Nugaal,

The northern Somalis never had war with the Oromo but that is not to say the two did not come into contact. In fact, many Muslim Oromo were part of the Adal Empire and many of them were at the forefront of the war against Christian Abyssinia. Many Habesha Muslims were on the Muslim forces side too. It was not an ethnic war but rather religious war and on both side all kinds of ethnics took part.

Adal forces were multi-ethnic and at times multi-national forces (Arabs, Turks). The Abyssinians were too consisting of many different ethnic Christians and to some degree Christian nationals. Portugal, who was the European power at the time came into Abyssinia's aid.

The Muslims occupied vast land in the Horn from Somali Peninsula, Arsi Oromo, Shoa, parts of Gonder, Wollo, parts of Tigray including Enderta and Shire, parts of Damot (Gojjam), many parts of the Kebessa highlands including Serae, Akele Guzai and Hamasien.

For both the Turks and the Portuguese the war was not only divine war but control for resources and trade routes (sea and coast domination). The Portuguese eventually disabled the Turks by removing them from the ocean and cut them off from vital trade routes including southeast Asia (Indonesia). This was the great undoing of the great Ottoman Empire. Had they forced on building strong naval forces-----the world today would be speaking Turkish not English.

The southern Somalis fought with the Oromo especially Borana and their sub-groups. The war on this front was very different from the north, which involved state Vs state...the south was more ethnic orientated but was about religion supremacy.

[xamarLady]

Nugaal,

The Abyssinian war never reach Sool or Sanaag not even central or southern Waqooyi Galbeed. The furthest they ever reached was Awdal in persuit of Sa'ad ad-Din. He was killed by Emperor Yeshaq I. Yeshaq (Isaaq) ruled from 1414-1429.

He composed a poem upon his victory and this my friend is the oldest surviving record of the word "Somali".

Many Somalis misunderstood and claim the first written record of the word Somali appeared on the Sa'ad ad-Din islands off Zeila on a rock but no the man the island was named after was defeated by an Abyssinian ruler who wrote down the word in his poem.

He wrote it in Amharic and just two hundreds years ago before him Amharic began to emerge as a language and became the first royal language of Yekuno Amlak (who restored Solomonic rule after 400 years of Agew rule).

Something looks fishy to me. I don't think 14th century and Amharic go hand in hand. Is Amharic especially in written form so old?