Y'all self hating and racist somalis better listen to this woman...

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Black= Africans from sub sahara Africa . and yes Somaliya is located in Sub sahara Africa.

[gegiroor]

You need to get a job wallahi. What is wrong with you? Why are you so obsessed with racism and the need to force an identity upon the Somalis? Get a hold of yourself and go be useful because you are being waste and completely useless here!

Meta, Robotic will come around, I think. She just likes to put it to people's faces, sometimes.


Hey Robotic, can you let this threads die once for all? We're not racists. We don't hate our fellow Africans and other "black" people in the Americas. We're just Somalis and want to be identified as Somalis. Why is that so hard to understand?

[SolidCamel]

Hi Robotic

[TheMightyNomad]

What is black? What does it mean to be black?

Did you see how non of them manage to answer ur simple questions? They never told you what the meaning of black is!

And They never answered me if me ancestors ran around calling themselves black!

And They never answered as to why its not right to call asians yellow and how its racist to reffer to as such but black isnt!

Do asians have an inherent anti-yellowness? Do you see any answer to these questions?

[TheMightyNomad]

If black people had not gone through slavery and colonization and were a dominant group today like whites are , we Somalis would be begging to be black , but we disassociate our selves from black people because of their status now and in the past. A good example would be Greeks and Italians , when these mediterranean people were dominant in the world (Roman empire and Greek empire(s))they considered western germanic Europeans as inferior barbarians and saw them as a totally different people. Now the west Europeans are running shit mediterraneans see themselves as no different to Germanics. Mediterraneans now see themselves as white and that's because it gives them a sense of belonging to a superior people , Basically the same need for Superiority that led them to run away from the uncultured barbarians of the west is the same one that now makes them want to be apart of them . The same could happen to Somalis in the future if Blacks and Africans are politically and culturally dominant.

What you are sayin Here is that our own identity is shaped by the outcome of adoons in America?
Wtf

Blackness, is largely a Western or American exonym, in which all so-called Black cultures around the world are forced to fit into. As Americanism expanded so to did this notion of blackness, which is attached to the civil rights struggle and today to the urban cultures of the inner cities. However, It cannot be transplanted into ancient history to describe a people such as Ancient Ethiopia who had no cultural similarities to the modern African-Americans communities. Neither can "Blackness" be put in history to say the Ancient Egyptians were not Black because they did not share characteristics with a group of Africans Europeans chose to label as the archetypal Black population (black skin, thick lips and kinky hair). To do so creates connections and disconnections where there are none. So "Black culture" or "Blackness" cannot be imposed anywhere beyond the modern era. But we can say Cultures of Africa, in which Egypt and Ethiopia were part of that African world. Being African doesn't mean we all dance to the same music and worship the same tree. So outside of the suggestiveness of "black" and "negro" words are necessary in creating new paradigms or we will always get stuck hearing "Well the Egyptians were not Black" because of a language issue or some other technicality. Far less objections could be raised if we just stuck to "The Egyptians were Africans". Especially if we claim African as oppose to let it float.

Africans must distinguish and apply their own concepts without casually borrowing pre-packaged terms which speak in favor of European interest. Because too often the terms used have other connotations and implication which come seeded in a linguistic nexus. Values of morality and perceptions of superiority embedded to favor things founded in Europe over things founded in Africa. To suggest that human rights must morph itself into the pro-homosexual left liberal confusion is taking away from the purity of other peoples inherent ability to self-determine and attach value to their own definitions. African centered human rights is articulated around community and life, thus when Europe speaks of promoting human rights some of these values actually are violations of African human rights. Therefore "Gay rights" linguistically looks like "Civil rights" and has been intentionally stealing sympathy solely on this bases. But regardless of the linguistic similarities, civil rights and gay rights are radically different in their moral and humanist foundations.

[TheMightyNomad]

Black= Africans from sub sahara Africa . and yes Somaliya is located in Sub sahara Africa.

African and black are not interchangeable just as Dark continent and Africa are not. Self-determination allows a people to re-examine definitions and sculpt them to their reality. Black, like Negro is facing linguistic extinction, especially in academic circles, due to its poor foundation in speaking about the oldest and most diverse people on the planet. Notice today only two races go by color labels; The race with the most oppression and the ones inflicting that oppression. "I am black and proud" is a song, nothing else. It is the rhetoric necessary at the time to lift an oppressed people who only knew of themselves through the eyes of their oppressor. It has run its course and has expired.

Mansa Musa famous Hajj traveled through North Africa in the 13th century so why assume Africans would be confined to this designation called sub-Saharan Africa? There is no ancient reference to a sub-Sahara Africa as distinctive entity from the North. To discuss the history of sub-Saharan Africa is projecting history in reverse by setting up borders that were no part of the African historical reality. Diop held that despite the Sahara, the genetic, physical and cultural elements of indigenous African peoples were both in place and always flowed in and out of Egypt, noting transmission routes via Nubia and the Sudan, and the earlier fertility of the Sahara. Given the constant movement of people over time, the fluctuations of climate over time (the Sahara was once fertile), and the substantial so-called representation of "sub Saharan" traits in the Nile Valley among people like the Badari. The entire region shows a basic unity based on both the Nile and Sahara, and cannot be arbitrarily diced up into per-assigned racial zones.


These malicious definitions have been inherited by the victims of European imperialism and normalize into African language and reality. Sub-Saharan Africa is a racist byword for "primitive," a place, which has escaped advancement. Hence, we see statements like “no written languages exist in Sub-Saharan Africa.” “Ancient Egypt was not a Sub-Saharan African civilization.” Sub-Sahara serves as an exclusion, which moves, jumps and slides around to suit negative generalization of Africa .


So where do Black people come from? Blackia, Negroland or Blackistan, following the obvious naming convention. What is the capital city of the Black home world? Black City or Blackatropolis? So if Africans do not come from these fictitious places and we find that so-called Black people come from Africa (at some time in our recent history) then why not just call them Africans? At best the term is redundant. So what is the purpose of Blackness? Especially in a world where identity and land are exclusively interlinked for every other people: Jews of Israeli, Palestinians of Palestine, Indians of India, Zulu of Zululand, Masai of the Masai Mara.

It is worth noting parts of African that are culturally intact such as in Ethiopia, Mali, Somalia, Nigeria and Niger have absolutely no fondness or linguistic presence of a "black identity."

[TheMightyNomad]

robotic.. yes my young somali black sister... ys tell them this black africans from Somalia what they are, we somalis we are black africans.. we should be proud of it like you and me..

Indians are from India , Chinese from China . There is no country called Blackia or Blackistan and a people must respectful be tied to geography as skin color is not the primary definitive identifier.. Hence, the ancestry-nationality model is more respectful and accurate: African-American, African-British, African-Arabian, African-Brazilian, and African-Caribbean. And if Black people has some validity as a political term it can not be limited in its application to people of African decent. Nostalgia is not an accurate place for African linguistic self-determination, and blackness is blatantly a cultural inheritance of oppressed people. The pattern of acceptance of a black identity globally walks hand in hand with European cultural oppression.

Black pride is reactionary pride, necessary then, Irrelevant now. As we blossom into a greater historical and cultural awareness of a Motherland a detachment with fictional attachments to slave names must be challenged, and we must end the romance with things that are a disservice to our identity today.

[TheMightyNomad]

Hopefully people will read what i wrote and put it to good use in their pea brains.

[Kaafiye]

If black people had not gone through slavery and colonization and were a dominant group today like whites are , we Somalis would be begging to be black , but we disassociate our selves from black people because of their status now and in the past. A good example would be Greeks and Italians , when these mediterranean people were dominant in the world (Roman empire and Greek empire(s))they considered western germanic Europeans as inferior barbarians and saw them as a totally different people. Now the west Europeans are running shit mediterraneans see themselves as no different to Germanics. Mediterraneans now see themselves as white and that's because it gives them a sense of belonging to a superior people , Basically the same need for Superiority that led them to run away from the uncultured barbarians of the west is the same one that now makes them want to be apart of them . The same could happen to Somalis in the future if Blacks and Africans are politically and culturally dominant.

Bro, Blacks could be the most advanced people on Earth. It wouldn't change my beliefs one iota. We Somalis have nothing to do with them, in the same way we have nothing to do with Arabs despite our geographical proximity to one another.

This isn't hatred. This is self-reliance and independence. We Somalis are vastly outnumbered by Madows and they are far more culturally and politically dominant than we are. Black Africans are currently miles ahead of Somalia when it comes to stability and economic progress, but that doesn't mean anything to us. The same way it doesn't mean anything to Ethiopians, who see themselves as completely distinct from other Africans as well.

[Sophisticate]

Wouldn't it be naive to just accept a foreign label and self-identify with it, without knowing it's etymology.

You can't fault some here, which want an individuated identity that isn't obscured by blackness. It's difficult for us to explain what "black is", let alone describe the "black experience". Is it merely the experience of discrimination that binds them together? I don't know. We Somalis don't even have it together, we haven't figured out nation building. So it's a stretch to think we'll be forming unions based on skin colour or Pan Africanism. Let's be realistic.

[gegiroor]

I don't understand why black "patriot" brigade have issues with the Somali patriot brigade when all we (the Somali patriot Brigade) do is to celebrate being a Somali and discuss our roots? I just don't get it.



You see we (the Somali Patriot Brigade) does not wear the sagging pants where our butts can be watched by other people. If the black "patriot" brigade wants to show the world how their butts look like (as shown below), why do they need to wave it in front us and expect us to accept this life-style that they have chosen for themselves? WTH, I just don't get it!



Again, you see we (the Somali Patriot Brigade) does not want to have those hair braids and those ugly gold ugly teeth that clearly prove a thug life, and if the black "patriot" brigade wants to have those hair braids and/or golden teeth (as shown below), why do they want us to do the same? I just don't get it!




If the black "patriot" brigade wants to imitate their "black" brethren and rob innocent Asian or Middle Eastern shop keepers (as shown below), and we (the Somali patriot brigade) does not want to do it, why do they want us to imitate them?



I hope the Somali patriot brigade can expand the list and add the remaining things that we don't want to imitate the black "partiot" brigade wannabes.

[KyrieJama]

^^^^^

[zidane88]

Blacklist
Black-day
Black-clouds,
Why anyone want to associate with this degraded and disused adjective as an identity?

[gegiroor]

^^^^^

[Alpharabius]

If black people had not gone through slavery and colonization and were a dominant group today like whites are , we Somalis would be begging to be black , but we disassociate our selves from black people because of their status now and in the past. A good example would be Greeks and Italians , when these mediterranean people were dominant in the world (Roman empire and Greek empire(s))they considered western germanic Europeans as inferior barbarians and saw them as a totally different people. Now the west Europeans are running shit mediterraneans see themselves as no different to Germanics. Mediterraneans now see themselves as white and that's because it gives them a sense of belonging to a superior people , Basically the same need for Superiority that led them to run away from the uncultured barbarians of the west is the same one that now makes them want to be apart of them . The same could happen to Somalis in the future if Blacks and Africans are politically and culturally dominant.

What you are sayin Here is that our own identity is shaped by the outcome of adoons in America?
Wtf

Blackness, is largely a Western or American exonym, in which all so-called Black cultures around the world are forced to fit into. As Americanism expanded so to did this notion of blackness, which is attached to the civil rights struggle and today to the urban cultures of the inner cities. However, It cannot be transplanted into ancient history to describe a people such as Ancient Ethiopia who had no cultural similarities to the modern African-Americans communities. Neither can "Blackness" be put in history to say the Ancient Egyptians were not Black because they did not share characteristics with a group of Africans Europeans chose to label as the archetypal Black population (black skin, thick lips and kinky hair). To do so creates connections and disconnections where there are none. So "Black culture" or "Blackness" cannot be imposed anywhere beyond the modern era. But we can say Cultures of Africa, in which Egypt and Ethiopia were part of that African world. Being African doesn't mean we all dance to the same music and worship the same tree. So outside of the suggestiveness of "black" and "negro" words are necessary in creating new paradigms or we will always get stuck hearing "Well the Egyptians were not Black" because of a language issue or some other technicality. Far less objections could be raised if we just stuck to "The Egyptians were Africans". Especially if we claim African as oppose to let it float.

Africans must distinguish and apply their own concepts without casually borrowing pre-packaged terms which speak in favor of European interest. Because too often the terms used have other connotations and implication which come seeded in a linguistic nexus. Values of morality and perceptions of superiority embedded to favor things founded in Europe over things founded in Africa. To suggest that human rights must morph itself into the pro-homosexual left liberal confusion is taking away from the purity of other peoples inherent ability to self-determine and attach value to their own definitions. African centered human rights is articulated around community and life, thus when Europe speaks of promoting human rights some of these values actually are violations of African human rights. Therefore "Gay rights" linguistically looks like "Civil rights" and has been intentionally stealing sympathy solely on this bases. But regardless of the linguistic similarities, civil rights and gay rights are radically different in their moral and humanist foundations.

No , what i'm saying is if blacks were in the position of whites today and the roles were reversed , like non-blacks being discriminated against we Somalis for our own benefit would class ourselves as black , and we would be considered blacks, but we dont want to be associated with blacks because of their current position within the race hierarchy. keep in mind i'm not talking about the present or the past it's all hypothetical . I personally don't believe race is based on skin color , that's just too simplistic and only ignorant under educated people would think in that way, race should be determined by genetics and language , not superficial appearances.

If i were to place Somalis in a race , i would place them in the cushitic race with Oromos , Afars , and bejas , and if i were to place them in a macro race , i would place them with other E1b1b Northeast Africans and Semetic speaking Middle easterners and ethiopians . blacks in America are mostly of western Bantu origin , Bantus usually are e1b1a carriers and speak a niger-congo language , we are not even close to eachother when comes to genetics , language , culture and religion . so no we are not blacks ( when i say black i mean of Bantu and khoisan origin).

I like to differentiate between identity and reality , anyone can identify as something , you even have males saying they're female even though their sexual organs , biology and chemistry are male , and that makes them males no matter how much surgery they do or how long they suppress their male hormones. robotic and other Somalis identify as black , i do not identify myself as anything because it's a fact that i am Somali who speaks the somali language , therefore i'm somali , somali is a cushitic language therefore i am also cushitic , cushitic is Afro asiatic language therefore i must be Afroasian , I'm most likely an e1b1b/t gene carrier which are predominant y haplogroups among Afro asiatics , so no matter how much i say i'm black , i will always be an Afro asiatic linguistically and genetically not a congo-niger or khoikhoi bushman , that's the reality. Self identity is moulded by society and changes over time so it can never be a reality.