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Re: Lessons for state formation
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:01 pm
by Kismaayo21
Arcturus wrote:Majority rule minority rights!
2 x Darood states with 5 x provinces (constitutionally 5.5 provinces)
2 x Hawiye states with 4 x provinces (constitutionally 3.5 provinces)
1 x D&M state with 3 x provinces (with the intention of 6 provinces)
Everyone else is a spectator or passenger in federalism. devolution of the 4.5 system to a 2.5 system.
Somalia was never intended to get past the structural phase of federalism. For when it does, Every election system you try to apply to "Somali-federalism" creates an instant stalemate. How many federal states will suspend their association with muuqdisho daily/weekly/monthly.
In other News Djibouti president is likely to change constitution once again to allow him to hold office for a 4th term! which ranks low on the comical scale as compared to Ethiopian ruling party staying in power another term with victory of 100% in 2015 elections!
fallback plan required not for "IF" but rather "WHEN" this system fails or stagnates!
how the hell is galmudug a hawiye state? with 2 1/2 of the land belonging to darood, the vice president is darood and so are more than a 3rd of the baarlaaman
Re: Lessons for state formation
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:07 pm
by Bandit
Kismaayo21 wrote:Arcturus wrote:Majority rule minority rights!
2 x Darood states with 5 x provinces (constitutionally 5.5 provinces)
2 x Hawiye states with 4 x provinces (constitutionally 3.5 provinces)
1 x D&M state with 3 x provinces (with the intention of 6 provinces)
Everyone else is a spectator or passenger in federalism. devolution of the 4.5 system to a 2.5 system.
Somalia was never intended to get past the structural phase of federalism. For when it does, Every election system you try to apply to "Somali-federalism" creates an instant stalemate. How many federal states will suspend their association with muuqdisho daily/weekly/monthly.
In other News Djibouti president is likely to change constitution once again to allow him to hold office for a 4th term! which ranks low on the comical scale as compared to Ethiopian ruling party staying in power another term with victory of 100% in 2015 elections!
fallback plan required not for "IF" but rather "WHEN" this system fails or stagnates!
how the hell is galmudug a hawiye state? with 2 1/2 of the land belonging to darood, the vice president is darood and so are more than a 3rd of the baarlaaman
His isaaq you shouldn't take their comments serious
Re: Lessons for state formation
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:10 pm
by Arcturus
^ Over all influence in the state tends towards stated!
Re: Lessons for state formation
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:15 pm
by RoobleAlWaliid
He's so braindead he mentions 3 major clans and says 2,5 system.
Re: Lessons for state formation
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:42 pm
by Grant
PrinceNugaalHawd wrote:Grant what large pop? have you checked Jamame & Jilib on google map? its a villages with few buildings, Jilib & Jamame are settled not only Jareer but others like Bimaal, Sheikhal, Galjecel, and so on? from Kismaayo to Lower shabelle were all these people are concentrated its like less than a hour drive, with no major Degaan , while you have the Darood from Kismaayo to Gedo, and multi medium size towns and villages. Rahanweyne settle the Badiye outskirts of JL border with South west state. Galmudug has 60+ hawiye seats and JL has only 49 Darood seats, and half the Cabinet is non darood.
Yusuf Sl is a just a Isaaq state sxb.
"All in all, the number of Bantu inhabitants in Somalia before the civil war is thought to have been about 80,000 (1970 estimate), with most concentrated between the Juba and Shabelle rivers in the south.[5] However, recent estimates place the figure as high as 900,000 persons.[1]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Bantu
Check Google Earth. Jilib has grown substantially since I was there, and the population from there to Buale, along the river is largely Gosha. In 2005 the total population of Jubaland was only estimated at 953,045 inhabitants. This would seem to indicate the Gosha are not a numerical minority in the area.
Re: Lessons for state formation
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:18 pm
by theyuusuf143
Re: Lessons for state formation
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:14 pm
by jalaaludin5
I would have taken james seriously if he didn't bring Somaliland into it. Even puntland shouldn't be in "the lessons of state formation".
These two are decades ahead of this new kenyati and habashi sponsored projects.
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Re: Lessons for state formation
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:07 am
by Kismaayo21
jalaaludin5 wrote:I would have taken james seriously if he didn't bring Somaliland into it. Even puntland shouldn't be in "the lessons of state formation".
These two are decades ahead of this new kenyati and habashi sponsored projects.
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Somaliland and punland are Ethiopia's best work in the past 2 centuries
Re: Lessons for state formation
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:52 pm
by Ahmedweydboy
Help mohamed yare donate what you can
Re: Lessons for state formation
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:31 am
by Kismaayo21
Irrelevant? We have 2 Vice-Presidents in 2 states, a third if not more members in each parliament 3 former prime ministers, 2nd biggest province in Somalia which we just liberated. clearing the road to Kismaayo. but its only found in my DNA the burning desire and the spirit of fate to conquer the Ethiopians highland, and to cross over the Tana river like my forefathers. so dont expect me to celebrate federal states and city councils. you and I both know where you stand with the amxaaro
Re: Lessons for state formation
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:05 am
by Rambie
There is no lesson to learn or anything.
The Somali federal system is bound to fail eventually.
Wither it was today, or after 10 years, federal system is not for Somalia.
