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Hyperactive wrote:zumaale, while searching my uncle results, i stampled, researches, saudi made for well know saudi and jordonian families that claim ; ahlul byt and they found few different results. then, i guess they shut it down the whole research cause they scared of some problems people will effect them.

i even read, islamicly, ban o joojiney, to prevent fitna..bla bla. it was intertaining though the discussions about it.

DNA is the perfect tool to Qarxis ancestral myths or maybe prove them right.

Only few families are genuine Hashemites. Would rather test the obsessively fanatical Shias such as the Ismacilis and Ithna Cashar elite as being Ahlul Bayt is a mark of religious superiority and no Tom, ceeb or Harry can just claim it like Hassanis.

zumaale wrote:

thegoodshepherd wrote: why do you think I would be looking for J1 ancestry?? We don't even know what haplogroup odeygi Jabarti was until we test a large sample of men.

BesidesI care more about finding distant relatives than un-provable arab ancestry.

If his the vast majority of his descendants test results are anything to go by, Awoowo Darood AUN was an E-V32.

It ain't Rocket Science bro, simple Math.

If E-V32 is an Arab ethnic marker, then the largest concentration of Bani Hashims is found in the Horn of Africa.

I don't know why you think E is rare in Saudi, around 1 in 7 of all Saudis are haplogroup E. It is one of the founding lineages.

zumaale, i assume you speak arabic. i was searching found this Video about TV show about Ahlul bayt. start from 50 min.



he even claimes, they tested shia 12ers who claim ahlel beyt founded they liying.

ps; my uncle result, saying, from abrahamic dna, which is mostly arabs. i guess my maretnal tribe liying about being jew.

thegoodshepherd wrote:

zumaale wrote:

thegoodshepherd wrote: why do you think I would be looking for J1 ancestry?? We don't even know what haplogroup odeygi Jabarti was until we test a large sample of men.

BesidesI care more about finding distant relatives than un-provable arab ancestry.

If his the vast majority of his descendants test results are anything to go by, Awoowo Darood AUN was an E-V32.

It ain't Rocket Science bro, simple Math.

If E-V32 is an Arab ethnic marker, then the largest concentration of Bani Hashims is found in the Horn of Africa.

I don't know why you think E is rare in Saudi, around 1 in 7 of all Saudis are haplogroup E. It is one of the founding lineages.

Son, E includes Bantus too. Let's be precise please, the E-V32 subgroup of E1b1b is a Horn of African/Sudanese marker. If you think I am being biased, ask your fellow Harti Itrah and he will confirm my statement.

Hyprer Yashtarun Shahada loool.

Laakin have they tested any Ayatollah's or did they also buy a certificate. Rubama Ajdadahum kadhabu mithlal bacda Somaliyun.

Allahu Aclam Ya Akhi, Al Mahdi qad yakuunu Sharif Somali lool, Ween Zubeir?

if you keep listening, he said, they tested from those mulahs who wear black ommahah , 99% of them found G which is qooqaziya and not arab dna.

ps; this is first time i am listening and still listening. i dont know his realibility.

Does being ahlu bayt get you to jannah, does being related to the prophet get you to jannah. The answer is no cuz it would mean Islam is racist

Hyperactive wrote:if you keep listening, he said, they tested from those mulahs who wear black ommahah , 99% of them found G which is qooqaziya and not arab dna.

ps; this is first time i am listening and still listening. i dont know his realibility.

There might be a political angle to this. Unless they present evidence, might just be hearsay. I stopped at certificates lol.

P.s Abrahamic could also mean Jewish as Abraham is the patriarch of both Adnani Arabs and Jews according to tradition. Like I said, it is hard to determine anything without a more comprehensive analysis.

nope! but some people claim to gain political, financial and respect gain by claming it. for shias, they given "alkhumos" for being ahlul bayt that God gave to prophet mohammed and his ahlul beyt.


lol zumaale,

he is providing researches they did to people claim "ashraaf" from hathramout, iran, saudi arabia etc. its a huge research that treedna did and still the research going on. he even saying didnt finish yet and still accepting dna who ever thinks he is ahlul beyt.

zumaale wrote:
Son, E includes Bantus too. Let's be precise please, the E-V32 subgroup of E1b1b is a Horn of African/Sudanese marker. If you think I am being biased, ask your fellow Harti Itrah and he will confirm my statement.

Who said anything about that?? All I said is that we simply don't know and cannot know for a fact what odayga was until you have a sizable pool of people get tested.

BTW are you on 23andme?

thegoodshepherd wrote:

zumaale wrote:
Son, E includes Bantus too. Let's be precise please, the E-V32 subgroup of E1b1b is a Horn of African/Sudanese marker. If you think I am being biased, ask your fellow Harti Itrah and he will confirm my statement.

Who said anything about that?? All I said is that we simply don't know and cannot know for a fact what odayga was until you have a sizable pool of people get tested.

BTW are you on 23andme?

I did my test with a local British Lab, was only curious my Y-DNA so did not see the need to have my maternal lineage or ancestry composition tested.

Darood was E-V32 local guy or he never existed.

CasualFarah wrote:Darood was E-V32 local guy or he never existed.

Many Warsangelis specifically have J1, but none of the other Darods do. This raises the possibility of Warsangelis being the only Darod, while the others might be something else (proto-Hawiye / proto-Raxanweyn or something).

Itrah wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:02 am

CasualFarah wrote:Darood was E-V32 local guy or he never existed.

Many Warsangelis specifically have J1, but none of the other Darods do. This raises the possibility of Warsangelis being the only Darod, while the others might be something else (proto-Hawiye / proto-Raxanweyn or something).

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