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Xildiiid wrote:Zumaale,

I thought Biyamaal lived in Baraawe and Afgooye.

An Isaaq poet (Maxamed Bulxaan Cawar) in the 1800's said;

"Biyomaal Baraawiyo fadhiya, wabiga baaciisa
Iyana Buundo dabadeed ma cunin bur iyo iidaane
Biddoodkii Kismaayoodna, ways wada bog dooxeene"


It was a reference to the Nasiib Bundo and Wagosha revolt against the Biyamaal who enslaved them but he also states that the area between Baraawe and Kismaayo including the town Kismaayo itself is Biyamaal territory including the hinterland along the river.

Maanta sidee bay wax u jiraan?
He was right as the old maps and current grazing land illustrate. The ethnic Biyamaal are predominately nomads and their deegan stretches along the coast from Marka to Kismaayo district. However, Kismaayo city was not inhabited by them, their deegan has always been on the eastern side of the district not far from the city proper. Basically, east of the Shabelle river that runs from Jammaame and joins up with the Jubba at Kismaayo..

Their former Bantu slaves, Biyamaal Xabash, are the ones they kept on the farmland along the river whilst they continued with their nomadic life. They Gosha Bantus that formed settlements in Jilib and defeated the Ogaden under the leadership of Nasib Bundo were formed ffrom slaves that escaped the Biyaamal and other slave owning Somalis in the Jubba area. One of the reasons why they went to war with the Italians was because colonialism emancipated their slaves and restricted their ability to trade.

Degmada Afgooye is beyond their deegan, it was traditionally a Geledi zone of influence along with the Wacdan Cusman in parts adjacent to Banadir. The population is still predominately Digil clans such as Geledi, Bagadi and their former Bantu slaves. However, they have been severely persecuted during the reign of the warlords after the fall of the regime. A lot were used as slave labour; subjected to rape and wanton murder. Even today, you hear of SNA troops committing acts of violence or taxing them unfairly. The isbaros of Afgooye district are all manned by different Hawiye factions of the SNA.

In all fairness, the Biyamaal did not have much to complain during the warlord era when compared to the fate of the Digil. Apart from access to the lucrative farms that came under control of militia and the forced recruitment of their former slaves, no one interfered that much with their nomadic existence. It was only in Marka, Shalambood, No 50 and Janaale towns that they had no authority in the late nineties to the early nougties due to the value of of these locations.

In Barawe district, their grazing land and those of the Tunni overlap in the coastal areas and they form the majority along the coast as you head towards Jammaame. The degmo has always been mainly populated by the Tunni Shangamas as you go inland. However, in the 90's the Tunni were massacred by the USC after they became allies with the Darood and also due to conflict with Jiido clan. I cannot comment on how well they have recovered since then but I do not think it is that good if the current power dynamics of degmada barawe are anything to go by. They have no voice whatsoever, the Mooryans still run the show as illustrated by how Duuqa Magalada Baraawe was imprisoned after he spoke out about the rape of civilians and the looting of private propert by SNA militias after the city was 'freed' from AS. Hence, why I made that earlier statement that Saakin is more interested in power than empowering the Digil and Mirifle confederation. He made Barawe the capital because he does not trust the Raxanweyn public who loath him as he bought his seat and he knows he can always rely on his Mogadishu contacts that exercise authority in Barawe.
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Marka, No 50 and Shalambood are controlled by Biyamaal, it's only Janaale left or am I wrong?

What happened to the "state owned" farms? Have Biyamaal lost their farms?

Shariif Sakiin is 1000x worse than Axmad Madoobe, Xassan Sheikh etc. atleast they're playing the zero sum game based on qabiil dominance but this dude have no aspirations other than being a puppet because for him the perception of power is stronger than power itself.

I watched the latest AS attack on the Ethiopian convoy and many of the AS fighter who were local youth screamed that they had avenged the rape of their imprisoned sisters (I assume by Xabashis).

Btw, I heard the Biyamaal were notorious slave traders like the HJ and HY.
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26June1960 wrote:Are you afraid of loosing Afgooye to the Digil iyo Mirifle/Dir alliance of South-Western State?
:wtf: :pacspit: Ina lilahi waa ina ileyhi raajicuun this is not a reer hebel vs reer hebel thread you fucktard.
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Idman702 wrote:Don't forget this gem warsheekh.

Don't act like you forgot..


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He begged the mods to delete his original post. Games the drunkard quoted him. See his other post when he says harsh or not. Munafiqnimo never hides.

As long as you have hatred in your heart you will continue to work in a warehouse you uneducated baboon!

Get a life naya. No need to stalk me. How many times should i tell you to not adress me? And LOL whats wrong with working in a warehouse while studying in uni? You seriously need to come up with something better than that. :lol:
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Xildiiid wrote:Marka, No 50 and Shalambood are controlled by Biyamaal, it's only Janaale left or am I wrong?

What happened to the "state owned" farms? Have Biyamaal lost their farms?

Shariif Sakiin is 1000x worse than Axmad Madoobe, Xassan Sheikh etc. atleast they're playing the zero sum game based on qabiil dominance but this dude have no aspirations other than being a puppet because for him the perception of power is stronger than power itself.

I watched the latest AS attack on the Ethiopian convoy and many of the AS fighter who were local youth screamed that they had avenged the rape of their imprisoned sisters (I assume by Xabashis).

Btw, I heard the Biyamaal were notorious slave traders like the HJ and HY.
No 50 is under their control.

Shalambood is garrisoned by the SNA and so was Janaale. In Shalambood, you have Goobale's SNA Guuto (Habargidir) and in Janaale you had Absuge's SNA Guuto (Abgaal) until AMISOM and the SNA abandoned it out of fear of AS a few weeks ago. They are not fighting a traditional qabil militia bro but units of the SNA. Bribes have been offered to individuals such as Absuge by heavyweight financiers that have an interest in maintaining their ill gotten gains. The war ain't about Dhul Balarsi or Aano Qabil from the part of Hawiye, it boils down to the revenue that comes from control of valuable agricultural resources that fall outside their deegans. The FSG even labelled the Biyomaal Governor and their militias as spoilers and supporters of AS to justify the use of state resources against them.

Marka is mainly under their control, the so called Shabelle State militia have mostly fled. All routes in and out of Marka are controlled by Bimaal but things could change as a component of Goobale's militia that was fighting in Galgaduud have returned to LS. Furthermore, some private militias remain guarding their business interests such as the COSAV NGO compound. COSAV was a non native NGO run by Habargidirs. They profited massively from the Indhocadde years and are also paying the SNA to safeguard their interests.

State Owned Farms? Private farms such as the massive plantations owned by the the Italian Companies? The Biyomaal were robbed by the Italians when they did not honour their agreement that their farmland would be returned to them after a lease period. The Wacdan, Geledi etc were also robbed as they a lot of valuable commercial farmland to the Italians and the subsequent nationalisation of land by the despotic regime of Siyad Barre. The farms that the Biyomaal privately owned were not subjected and to be honest they were not that much to begin with. They lay claim to 'state' owned farms and 'private' farms belonging to former kacaanists and have managed to get control of a lot of land. Nonetheless, some farms are legitimately owned by businessmen of a variety of clans including Hawiye. Furthermore, profitable Asendos in Janaale and Shalembood that are close to the towns are safeguarded by SNA troops on behalf of businessmen of ill repute. Laakin once one is out of the area controlled by the SNA, it is all Biyomaal.

The Biyomaal were not slave traders but slave importers. Tens of thousands of Bantus in LS to this day say they are Biyomaal. They have lost all traces of their former Bantu tribal identity as a result of the extensive Biyomaal hold on them.
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Warsheekh wrote:

Get a life naya. No need to stalk me. How many times should i tell you to not adress me? And LOL whats wrong with working in a warehouse while studying in uni? You seriously need to come up with something better than that. :lol:
Actually I have a life, but you on the other hand, you uneducated baboon. I exposed your ass. Make another topic saying somalis should stop being qabiliste, when you are the biggest, most hateful qabiliste one. Stop being munafiq. And I will address you how ever I want. You peasant. You're not in Uni. We all know the abgaals in Sweden. They are all bums. Keep working at a warehouse, you broke hebitch.


I will drop that gem everywhere you post. Bastard!
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Zumaale,

Biyamaal in Lower Shabeelle are in a tough situation. Their biggest mistake was joining Shariif Sakiin and his Koonfur Galbeed. They should've ran with Udubland because if Galmudug that doesn't control all of Galgaduud and southern Mudug can become a federal state so can Biyamaal. I also believe they should've asked Djibouti to safeguard their deegans because as it is now Uganda = Hawiye, Kenya = Darood and Ethiopia = Raxanweyn and these clans do not deny the fact that they're using their AMISOM overlords to further their qabiil interests.

There's atleast a connection between Djibouti and southern Dir unlike these other clans and their AMISOM overlords + Isaaq run the economy of Djibouti, some of the Isaaq businessmen have invested in the reneissance dam of Ethiopia because they control the major contracts to import cheap electricity, funding a Biyamaal Unit or a Surre unit of the SNA backed by Djibouti would be nothing for them. Southern Dir have to become more clanist though, I know it sounds fucked up but Somalia is where the strongest survive and not in the traditional sense. I think a lot of Isaaq would support Surre and Biyamaal but you have to start looking for support from your tol.

Why don't Biyamaal & Surre tell the Dirty Waqooyi cunts to either support them 100% or get the fuck out of the parliament? They can't set foot in Somaliland whom they ''represent'' and in Somalia they align themselves with anti Dir groups for money. Biyamaal and Surre shouldn't accept that.

So who controls Shalambood and Janaale now? AS?
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zumaale wrote:
Xildiiid wrote:Marka, No 50 and Shalambood are controlled by Biyamaal, it's only Janaale left or am I wrong?

What happened to the "state owned" farms? Have Biyamaal lost their farms?

Shariif Sakiin is 1000x worse than Axmad Madoobe, Xassan Sheikh etc. atleast they're playing the zero sum game based on qabiil dominance but this dude have no aspirations other than being a puppet because for him the perception of power is stronger than power itself.

I watched the latest AS attack on the Ethiopian convoy and many of the AS fighter who were local youth screamed that they had avenged the rape of their imprisoned sisters (I assume by Xabashis).

Btw, I heard the Biyamaal were notorious slave traders like the HJ and HY.
No 50 is under their control.

Shalambood is garrisoned by the SNA and so was Janaale. In Shalambood, you have Goobale's SNA Guuto (Habargidir) and in Janaale you had Absuge's SNA Guuto (Abgaal) until AMISOM and the SNA abandoned it out of fear of AS a few weeks ago. They are not fighting a traditional qabil militia bro but units of the SNA. Bribes have been offered to individuals such as Absuge by heavyweight financiers that have an interest in maintaining their ill gotten gains. The war ain't about Dhul Balarsi or Aano Qabil from the part of Hawiye, it boils down to the revenue that comes from control of valuable agricultural resources that fall outside their deegans. The FSG even labelled the Biyomaal Governor and their militias as spoilers and supporters of AS to justify the use of state resources against them.

Marka is mainly under their control, the so called Shabelle State militia have mostly fled. All routes in and out of Marka are controlled by Bimaal but things could change as a component of Goobale's militia that was fighting in Galgaduud have returned to LS. Furthermore, some private militias remain guarding their business interests such as the COSAV NGO compound. COSAV was a non native NGO run by Habargidirs. They profited massively from the Indhocadde years and are also paying the SNA to safeguard their interests.

State Owned Farms? Private farms such as the massive plantations owned by the the Italian Companies? The Biyomaal were robbed by the Italians when they did not honour their agreement that their farmland would be returned to them after a lease period. The Wacdan, Geledi etc were also robbed as they a lot of valuable commercial farmland to the Italians and the subsequent nationalisation of land by the despotic regime of Siyad Barre. The farms that the Biyomaal privately owned were not subjected and to be honest they were not that much to begin with. They lay claim to 'state' owned farms and 'private' farms belonging to former kacaanists and have managed to get control of a lot of land. Nonetheless, some farms are legitimately owned by businessmen of a variety of clans including Hawiye. Furthermore, profitable Asendos in Janaale and Shalembood that are close to the towns are safeguarded by SNA troops on behalf of businessmen of ill repute. Laakin once one is out of the area controlled by the SNA, it is all Biyomaal.

The Biyomaal were not slave traders but slave importers. Tens of thousands of Bantus in LS to this day say they are Biyomaal. They have lost all traces of their former Bantu tribal identity as a result of the extensive Biyomaal hold on them.

to correct you guys its BIIMAAL not biyomaal. lool
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Idman702 wrote:
Warsheekh wrote:

Get a life naya. No need to stalk me. How many times should i tell you to not adress me? And LOL whats wrong with working in a warehouse while studying in uni? You seriously need to come up with something better than that. :lol:
Actually I have a life, but you on the other hand, you uneducated baboon. I exposed your ass. Make another topic saying somalis should stop being qabiliste, when you are the biggest, most hateful qabiliste one. Stop being munafiq. And I will address you how ever I want. You peasant. You're not in Uni. We all know the abgaals in Sweden. They are all bums. Keep working at a warehouse, you broke hebitch.


I will drop that gem everywhere you post. Bastard!
allah caafimad ku siiyo.
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@Xildiid

There is nothing wrong if biimaal work with the South West. since they don't control much of L. shabele south west state is their best option.
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Xildiiid wrote:Zumaale,

Biyamaal in Lower Shabeelle are in a tough situation. Their biggest mistake was joining Shariif Sakiin and his Koonfur Galbeed. They should've ran with Udubland because if Galmudug that doesn't control all of Galgaduud and southern Mudug can become a federal state so can Biyamaal. I also believe they should've asked Djibouti to safeguard their deegans because as it is now Uganda = Hawiye, Kenya = Darood and Ethiopia = Raxanweyn and these clans do not deny the fact that they're using their AMISOM overlords to further their qabiil interests.

There's atleast a connection between Djibouti and southern Dir unlike these other clans and their AMISOM overlords + Isaaq run the economy of Djibouti, some of the Isaaq businessmen have invested in the reneissance dam of Ethiopia because they control the major contracts to import cheap electricity, funding a Biyamaal Unit or a Surre unit of the SNA backed by Djibouti would be nothing for them. Southern Dir have to become more clanist though, I know it sounds fucked up but Somalia is where the strongest survive and not in the traditional sense. I think a lot of Isaaq would support Surre and Biyamaal but you have to start looking for support from your tol.

Why don't Biyamaal & Surre tell the Dirty Waqooyi cunts to either support them 100% or get the fuck out of the parliament? They can't set foot in Somaliland whom they ''represent'' and in Somalia they align themselves with anti Dir groups for money. Biyamaal and Surre shouldn't accept that.

So who controls Shalambood and Janaale now? AS?
Xildiiid, Udubland was a joke to start with it. It is not feasible at all because the Biyomaal have only two deegmos (Jammaame and Marka) where they are the majority.

Sharif Saakin and the Mogadishu are all trying to buy Biyomaal leaders off because they have realised that without the support of the Biyomaal, no admin can come into existence in Marka district as a result of the resistance movement. Saakin even tried to make Waafow Abaandulaha of South West State. No one is contesting Biyomaal's right to govern the degmo but the 'businessmen' seek to stop Biyomaal attempts to redress colonial and kacaan wrongs in regard to farmland claims. Biyomaal just have to keep standing their ground until they receive a settlement that they consider fair.

As for Surre, Alxamdulillah we are alright at the moment. Even in Hiiraan where we have one of our the smallest deegans, we have managed to more than hold our own against Xawadle in their back yard. Long term, what we need to do is to concentrate ourselves in one of the several riverine regions we inhabit in the deep south as the wars we engage in often pit a Surre subclan against clans who are concentrated in one place.

Xildiiid, let us keep it real bro. Northern clan individuals might contribute but there is no concerted effort to aid the Biyomaal even from you guys who they consider their closest kin in the Somali speaking territories. One thing I have got to give credit to Darood is that they have this siege mentality, if a Darood subclan is being threatened by greater forces as exemplified by how Abdicaziz Barre came to the rescue of Galkaacyo after Aideed had captured it despite the animosity between Mareexan and Majeerten. A unifying Dir identity has not existed since the early period of the clan's existence.

You are right about one thing; the only lot that are in a position to make an immediate change are the Ciises as they have a recognised state apparatus laakin where is the committment or desire? If they do not seek to do it by official means, arms can easily be smuggled via No 50 airport. It boils down to logistics and a steady supply line, no need for an SNA Biyomaal unit at the moment, raag wala haya saaxib.

Shalambood town controlled by SNA Habargidir troops under Goobale as part of their 'government' mandate to secure the area from AS. Janale is currently controlled by AS after the withdrawal of Amisom and SNA Abgaal forces led by Absuge. Not for long though, Absuge and his Fufu minders will be back.

p.s Northern Dir MP's speaking out or remaining silent does not make a blind bit of difference, bullets do. In this pay as you go parliament calcal gets you no where.
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Warsheekh wrote: allah caafimad ku siiyo.

I hope Allah swt, erases the hatred in your heart. The fact you run to us in behind closed doors and claim we are related to you, then you turn around and say that shit. Don't claim us. Allah swt hates two faced snakes like you. I feel sorry for whoever is related to you that is darood, I know you wish they were dead or something.

P.s

It's so funny how these hypocrites bring Allah swt name when they are called out.
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Zumaale

Dir identity does exist but it's hard to intervene the sporadic southern dir geopolitical conflicts with their countrymen. I don't think bimal needs any formal backing they are well enough to play their role. even the small community of hiiraan proved they can defend their farmland. all they need is to integrate the newly created federal states to influence decision making process. the more you integrate the popular/dominant system the better. I mean any system be it southwest,galmudug,hiraan alshabaab jubaland.
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theyuusuf143 wrote:Zumaale

Dir identity does exist but it's hard to intervene the sporadic southern dir geopolitical conflicts with their countrymen. I don't think bimal needs any formal backing they are well enough to play their role. even the small community of hiiraan proved they can defend their farmland. all they need is to integrate the newly created federal states to influence decision making process. the more you integrate the popular/dominant system the better. I mean any system be it southwest,galmudug,hiraan alshabaab jubaland.
Yuusuf, bro, did you even digest my post properly?

The conflicts are not geopolitical and the two are completely different.

Saaxib you know how expensive maintaining a militia is? Rasasta keliya aya dhaqalo an caadi ahayn u bahan. I assure you if the Biyomaal had a foreign backer like you guys had in the 80's we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Niman AK47, RPG iyo Dabajeex wato ma waqti dheer la dagali karo ciidan dhaqaleheda dowlada kabto oo wato tekniko qoryo culus saran? Waxa ka daran hadi hadhowda tangi la yimadhan lol.

Surres have been able to obtain to maintain their deegan in Hiiraan thanks to their cross border links in Ethiopia but do you think if the Xawadles obtained armoured vehicles resistant to RPG's and were able to persuade the government to contribute more resources to the conflict we could hold out in the long run?

A Somali militia marches on its logistics and firepower! However, when two equally forces meet, midki dhoof ku yimadhe ba jaabo.

I never said a Dir identity does not exist, I just stated that there was never a cause to rally behind a Dir banner since the Middle Ages when we all lined up behind one leader in the North. The only ones that were identified with it are the Surre because of their fragmented state surrounded by non Dir clans. It is like the way the Babille Hawiyes are called Hawiye to this day by their Ciise and Oromo neighbours.
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