Russia deploying weapons and hundreds of advisors/fighters in Syria

[gurey25]

Israiliyat!

Russia will not stop supporting assad and iran and will do every thing to keep him part of any future settlement in syria to maintain its market cards-selling weapons to the gulf countries- but not to the point of waging wars

Russia is now suggesting a sunni pro-saudi pm who enjoys much authorities and assad as the president

this was rejected by the dictator who sees himself as the only leader!
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE9760OQ20130807

https://www.rt.com/news/314010-syria-ru ... anes-isis/

very astute, the main source of disinformation is comming from YNET and other isreali disinformation sources like debka.
The are doing this by blanketing real news with bullshit, that sounds very close to the truth.

There are only a tiny number of advisors, technicians manning pantsir missile batteries and radars,
and it is possible that 6 MIG-31 were sent, these are from the order the syrians made in 2007 for 8.
Putin is sending them with Russian pilots. This is to make up for the promise to send S-300 to Syria.
Putin cannot do this because the S-300 is too powerful and from Hezbollah controlled areas in houran close to golan, it can hit planes taking off from isreali air bases as far as ramat david and lod, basically more than half of isreal.
The isrealis will not allow this and will launch an air raid as soon as possible.
The Mig-31 will not be too scary, but with the range of 200km + missiles and radar can threaten western airforces a little bit,
but not too threatening.
Its all another move of chess.
There is a convoy of transports spotted in the bosphurus with armoured vehicles and with russian troops,
these are only to escort the shipment from latakia.
The Russians are also using syria to test weapons systems..

there will be no ground troops in Syria.

[gurey25]

read their history; cooperation with mongol, christian venice and portugal against the ottoman muslims and now with the US in afghanistan, iraq and syria!
http://www.academia.edu/3695211/Safavid ... _relations

so iran cannot have geostrategic objectives?
Saudia and the arabs can work with and be the bitches of the west, it fine,
but Iran working with them is a great evil?

arent shia oppressed in Saudia? arent the Saudis waging war on the zaydis in yemen?

it is clear who is wrong here, iran has the right to take care of its interests,
nothing to get hypocritical and emotional about

[sahal80]

read their history; cooperation with mongol, christian venice and portugal against the ottoman muslims and now with the US in afghanistan, iraq and syria!
http://www.academia.edu/3695211/Safavid ... _relations

so iran cannot have geostrategic objectives?
Saudia and the arabs can work with and be the bitches of the west, it fine,
but Iran working with them is a great evil?

arent shia oppressed in Saudia? arent the Saudis waging war on the zaydis in yemen?

it is clear who is wrong here, iran has the right to take care of its interests,
nothing to get hypocritical and emotional about

And who said saudi arabia is an islamic regime?

What we r talking about is the historical cooperation between shia and the christendom against the islamic states

Regardless of our positions from the jihadi groups or the political islam in general such as the syrian muslim brotherhood, the "religious" shia will cooperate with the west and east to stop them

Saudi has a wahabi regime-not political islam- and all shes worry about is the shia extension in yemen and the gulf countries bc these people r brothers

Who rules iraq now? The iranian al sistani!

Saudis only care about faith that why the iranian center in khartoum was closed as part of the new saudi relationship with sudan

Saudi arabia is not even too syrious about syria, it has this agenda of yemen in exchange for syria

Russia is making secret contacts between iran/assad and saudi arabia

This info was leaked by the syrian intelligence to some pro-syria lebanese news paper!
http://russia-insider.com/en/russian-pr ... out/ri9077

the west knows irans supportive roles in afghanistan and iraq were important so why not in syria?

In this battle, israel, iran, russia and the west r on one side!

Israil is against the syrian opposition getting weapons bc its dangerous on its "national securty" and bc of this the west is not helping them

This is why iran is now useful to the west and israel and not the turkish-saudi position to dislodge assad!

A pro-assad man says on a pro-regime tv you will never get weapons bc of israel!



Now syrias nick kay is suggesting to the SC the iranian-russian stance on assad as part of the solution!

Its about principles yaa general!

[FAH1223]

Israiliyat!

Russia will not stop supporting assad and iran and will do every thing to keep him part of any future settlement in syria to maintain its market cards-selling weapons to the gulf countries- but not to the point of waging wars

Russia is now suggesting a sunni pro-saudi pm who enjoys much authorities and assad as the president

this was rejected by the dictator who sees himself as the only leader!
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE9760OQ20130807

https://www.rt.com/news/314010-syria-ru ... anes-isis/

very astute, the main source of disinformation is comming from YNET and other isreali disinformation sources like debka.
The are doing this by blanketing real news with bullshit, that sounds very close to the truth.

There are only a tiny number of advisors, technicians manning pantsir missile batteries and radars,
and it is possible that 6 MIG-31 were sent, these are from the order the syrians made in 2007 for 8.
Putin is sending them with Russian pilots. This is to make up for the promise to send S-300 to Syria.
Putin cannot do this because the S-300 is too powerful and from Hezbollah controlled areas in houran close to golan, it can hit planes taking off from isreali air bases as far as ramat david and lod, basically more than half of isreal.
The isrealis will not allow this and will launch an air raid as soon as possible.
The Mig-31 will not be too scary, but with the range of 200km + missiles and radar can threaten western airforces a little bit,
but not too threatening.
Its all another move of chess.
There is a convoy of transports spotted in the bosphurus with armoured vehicles and with russian troops,
these are only to escort the shipment from latakia.
The Russians are also using syria to test weapons systems..

there will be no ground troops in Syria.

Good info

[sahal80]

thanks fah

gurey is a military analyst but he lacks the cultural literacy, thus sounds an old school

eaglehawk woud be good for these topics

the russia of today is different than the russia of the cold war, it has an orthdox orientation that includes the greece and the eastren mediterranean that includes the coastal syria

Greece is a russian backdoor in europe

Shia-in syria and iran-has been historically and still aligned with greece against turkey

Now russia supports assad remaining in power as a sect leader!

This makes shia antithesis to the islamic civilazation!

This book was written in 2008

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=l3Q ... 7cUCh1QMg6_

explains the mediterranean orthodoxy that includes the coastal syria and 30, 000 russian women who r married to the alawite officers!

[gurey25]

Sahal i am aware of your point of view,
it is common all over the arab world.
You have a severe shia bias, takfiris are a threat to muslim civilization, not shia.
and you see whats on the surface, and do not analyze what news you recieve, while i do not believe anything until i have checked it .
even if someone says 2 +2 =4 i will do the calculation before believing.
If you assume everyone is lying by studying the lies you can get a closer picture to the truth.
So its not cultural literacy, its a difference in point of view.

as for me i do not care if you worship a statue of a giant penis, or if you are from another planet.
If you are aligned with my political and economic view you are fellow traveller, an ally .
If not then we are in competition,

[gurey25]

Greece is a russian backdoor in europe

Shia-in syria and iran-has been historically and still aligned with greece against turkey

again you are looking at the surface,
greece is orthodox and culturally close to Russia historically,
but this was in the past, the greek people see themselves as western, and they think they are better than Russians.
Greeks are like the rest of Europe Post christian i.e not religous, church attendance is higher the sweden but still very low.
In reality they are very far from Russia, but if the crisis get far worse and there is a real revolution not the fake syriza shit
they will start to look elsewhere for their salvation.
Tsipras was trying to raise the stakes and threaten the EU with Russia, but he wasnt serious,
the Russians were upset that he tried to use them like this so they did not cooperate.
Even the Gas deal signed is under threat because it is illegal under EU law.
Greece is finished and they deserve it for electing fake leftist Syriza, even their right wing neo nazi party is fake,
only the breakway parties are real in Greece,

Its the same in Spain, Podomos is fake , they will ceeb out like Syriza, Itali the same, portugalthe same
there are no real political parties today in europe.
by forcing fake parties on the people, they think people will become dissillusioned and become zombies like in the US,
the problem is there is no fake american dream to fool them in Europe, they might just wake up and really revolt..

So what if Shia syrian government and Iran were historically allied with greece against Turkey,
So was Egypt. This was because greece was one of the few countries in Europe that supported the arabs against Isreal.
They had terrible relations with Isreal, while Turkey had excellent relations with it.
Today it is the opposite .

[waayeel101]

not going to happen. maybe few hundreds mostly advisers and generals. about the weapons it is different story. even iran did not sent thousands of their troops but they use arab shica and other minorities in the region against the sunnis.

what you missed you guys are syrian regime now realized they can not control whole the country and expected this long time ago and they planned for this for last 40 years they displaced the sunnis in the coastal region plus the border with lebanon. what they want is their own country or autonomy region within the country. and i think that is the reason russian was there in tarsos and other coast cities.

[FAH1223]

not going to happen. maybe few hundreds mostly advisers and generals. about the weapons it is different story. even iran did not sent thousands of their troops but they use arab shica and other minorities in the region against the sunnis.

what you missed you guys are syrian regime now realized they can not control whole the country and expected this long time ago and they planned for this for last 40 years they displaced the sunnis in the coastal region plus the border with lebanon. what they want is their own country or autonomy region within the country. and i think that is the reason russian was there in tarsos and other coast cities.

Yeah, Hafez Assad started this in the 1970s

That's why the Southwest is not going anywhere anytime soon. But this is going to go on for years... this might be as long as the Somali civil war. Its a fuking mess.

[sahal80]

Greece is a russian backdoor in europe

Shia-in syria and iran-has been historically and still aligned with greece against turkey

again you are looking at the surface,
greece is orthodox and culturally close to Russia historically,
but this was in the past, the greek people see themselves as western, and they think they are better than Russians.
Greeks are like the rest of Europe Post christian i.e not religous, church attendance is higher the sweden but still very low.
In reality they are very far from Russia, but if the crisis get far worse and there is a real revolution not the fake syriza shit
they will start to look elsewhere for their salvation.
Tsipras was trying to raise the stakes and threaten the EU with Russia, but he wasnt serious,
the Russians were upset that he tried to use them like this so they did not cooperate.
Even the Gas deal signed is under threat because it is illegal under EU law.
Greece is finished and they deserve it for electing fake leftist Syriza, even their right wing neo nazi party is fake,
only the breakway parties are real in Greece,

Its the same in Spain, Podomos is fake , they will ceeb out like Syriza, Itali the same, portugalthe same
there are no real political parties today in europe.
by forcing fake parties on the people, they think people will become dissillusioned and become zombies like in the US,
the problem is there is no fake american dream to fool them in Europe, they might just wake up and really revolt..

So what if Shia syrian government and Iran were historically allied with greece against Turkey,
So was Egypt. This was because greece was one of the few countries in Europe that supported the arabs against Isreal.
They had terrible relations with Isreal, while Turkey had excellent relations with it.
Today it is the opposite .

lol are these biased arab sources?

https://books.google.co.ma/books?id=RYb ... PbCh1ELQD1

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7ST ... xyCh0a0Qtr

this is about regional security not about political and social methods!

This cooperation is based on historical hostilities between the christianty and the ottoman empire

The alawite regime backs the armenian genocide not just that it also promotes "the assyrian genocide"

Forget about this probaganda of shia and israel. An alawite site has recently published an old views of hafiz al assad where he states that "arabs are asking us why I sided with iran against iraq, there will be a day only this iranian will be on our side while so called arabs will be our biggest backstabbers!!"

Hezbullah was made for this day to save the sect not for israel!

Wake up!

And who expelled PLO from southren lebanon except assad?

He sided with the christians sending a message to the west and israel and closed the falastinian camps, killed abu nidal-xarakatal fidaaiyiin-

To this day lebanon as a govt and media supports the alawite regime bc they fear that a sunni syria will weaken the christian and shia interests!

http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/politi ... h-damascus
http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/ho ... d.html?m=1

[Leftist]

Sahal i am aware of your point of view,
it is common all over the arab world.
You have a severe shia bias, takfiris are a threat to muslim civilization, not shia.

Sahal, along with tens of millions of Sunni Arabs and Sunni Africans(somalis included), are suffering from a delusional conspiracy-theory world-view, which is the only way for them to explain the Shia ascendancy & success and multi-decade long Sunni failure, across the political-economic-military spectrum.

An essential part of this conspiracy-theory is the "Shia sold us out to the Mongols and the Crusaders", when the greatest traitors and back-stabbers Sunni Muslims ever had..........were other Sunni Muslims. The worst enemy of Sunnis were and remain other Sunnis. After the "hero" of Ayn Jalot, Sayf-ul-deen Qutz defeated the Mongols in battle........wait for it, he was murdered by his deputy, Baibers.....so yeah, no Shia bogeyman to be found. There were plenty of Sunni princes who aided, assisted, and actually fought on the side of the Crusaders, all in the name of seeking power. I can go on and on and on. But historical facts are impervious to the thick skulls of conspiracy-theorists.

When people are defeated and emasculated(like sahal is) morally & mentally, when they have no source of pride, no achievement to point to, they rely on victimization & conspiracy theory to explain away their their deep sense of shame and emasculation.

[GAMES]

Only people that support Asad are:

Putin
Iran
Hezbollah

Anti Asad regime are:

Turkey
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Gulf States
US
EU
..the rest of the world community.

[gurey25]

when you find Saudi arabia and Isreal on the same side, something is clearly wrong.
It is obvious you should be on the opposite side..

[gurey25]

Sahal i am aware of your point of view,
it is common all over the arab world.
You have a severe shia bias, takfiris are a threat to muslim civilization, not shia.

Sahal, along with tens of millions of Sunni Arabs and Sunni Africans(somalis included), are suffering from a delusional conspiracy-theory world-view, which is the only way for them to explain the Shia ascendancy & success and multi-decade long Sunni failure, across the political-economic-military spectrum.

An essential part of this conspiracy-theory is the "Shia sold us out to the Mongols and the Crusaders", when the greatest traitors and back-stabbers Sunni Muslims ever had..........were other Sunni Muslims. The worst enemy of Sunnis were and remain other Sunnis. After the "hero" of Ayn Jalot, Sayf-ul-deen Qutz defeated the Mongols in battle........wait for it, he was murdered by his deputy, Baibers.....so yeah, no Shia bogeyman to be found. There were plenty of Sunni princes who aided, assisted, and actually fought on the side of the Crusaders, all in the name of seeking power. I can go on and on and on. But historical facts are impervious to the thick skulls of conspiracy-theorists.

When people are defeated and emasculated(like sahal is) morally & mentally, when they have no source of pride, no achievement to point to, they rely on victimization & conspiracy theory to explain away their their deep sense of shame and emasculation.

IT is because reality is too painfull, nobody wants to face it, so they run away into fantasy land where arabs are something, where there is honour and pride and power.
The reality is that the arab world and the sunni muslim world is shit, we are the lowest of the scum of the earth, we are slaves
and have not been in charge of our destiny for decades, we have no honour and we live in a miserable existence.

Iran is free and independent , its destiny is in its hands , they have real pride in their achievements.
They built a modern country with modern technology.
They are an industrialized country able to produce most of its needs .
They have also helped create hezbollah which achieved honour in defeating the isrealis not once but twice in a guerilla war.

The Sunni world needs to face reality, so that they can do something about it,
if you are in denial you will not be able to change.

[grandpakhalif]

Mean while....http://news.yahoo.com/captures-parts-ke ... 10934.html