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Guys hold your horses and dont get kacsi on 'ragii hore' bullshidh

What did they achieve apart from some random meetings with some noticeable politicians?

Did they free somali galbeed ? No
Did they free nfd ? No
Did they unite somali ppl ? No

Hadal macaan action ayaa ka fiican. Hoo bariiska maah maaha

Tbh all africans were like that in those days nationalism was high in all countries and fresh from post colonisation. Now only a few developed like nambinia zambia and botswana. While the rest all went down. Ethiopian war was mismanaged badly. First time somalis lost a war with them. It used to take a few reer miyi to beat them however it was not expected that an entire govt to be swallowed big time.

thegoodshepherd wrote:
This nigga thinks Togdheer is more valuable than Godey

Where did he say that? And seeing as the Togdheer region has the largest underground aquifers in the Somali peninsula, it probably is more valuable than Godey, wherever that is.

The exchange of views was good i m feeling we not diplomatic, it didnt help we were Nomads who had islaweyni and qab.

Nevertheless, it was a good exchange of views.

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:
Where did he say that? And seeing as the Togdheer region has the largest underground aquifers in the Somali peninsula, it probably is more valuable than Godey, wherever that is.

What I'm saying is that Siyaad Barre had good reasons for going into Galbeed.
To say that he invaded Ethiopia as a cover for eliminating rival officers is hogwash.

Siad Barre's invasion of Galbeed may have been for good intentions but the results were still disastrous. He could have simply armed Somali rebels in the region and waited for the xabashi empire to collapse. He was either hopelessly naive and incompetent or he wanted to occupy the Somalis with a war because the country was in a horrible state; endemic corruption and nepotism, assasinations and kidnappings, squandering state finances, directing money to xamar and starving the rest of Somali Republic from investment and support, sidelining major clans like Isaaq etc.

But as bad as the war was, what came afterwards was much worse. Returning generals and officers from rival clans were murdered or arrested and land and property were confiscated.

Siad Barre was better than the xoolo who call themselves the leaders of the Somali people today. But that's like saying being ruled by a moron is better than being ruled by chimpanzees. He was far from a good ruler and his incompetence and paranoia is the reason we are in this mess to begin with. And nobody can convince me otherwise.

cheifaqilbari wrote:It was an era of stupidity of crazy nationalism and emotion run politics , a nation committed suicide because of one man and his ego, siyad barre worst then Hitler and Stalin compared. This ogaden region is a barren desrt barres ancestrol region , the true reason barre was obssed with it was to destroy the army as he feared countercoup in the end the coup in the end came and siayd barre and his fellow criminals felt from power , with a bang, and the bizzare story which can be compared to a bonded peasent in tsarist russia become ruler ended as grim in 91. Only children whom been taught national song (shit) will fantasize about a period where the somali people where opressed by that son of a whore( Barre was born no known father). That doffar destroyed a people and just like hitlers family do not bother the german people If u share any kinship with that man do not come infront of the somali people go hide somewhere let this nation rest before u start ur criminal narratives again .

And why are you insulting his mother? was she a politician? I believe the poor lady AUN died before MSB(AUN) became a President, you have no right insult her like that, isku xishood nin weyn baad tahay, you can say whatever you want about the man, hore lo yirii nin xil qaday eed qadyey but leave his mother out of it you dimwit.

thegoodshepherd wrote:

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:
Where did he say that? And seeing as the Togdheer region has the largest underground aquifers in the Somali peninsula, it probably is more valuable than Godey, wherever that is.

What I'm saying is that Siyaad Barre had good reasons for going into Galbeed.
To say that he invaded Ethiopia as a cover for eliminating rival officers is hogwash.

Exactly plus if we won against Ethiopia, Kenya would have gave up nfd. The kacaan gambled and we lost. No regrets, they did what every Somali wanted.

guhad122 wrote:Is it just me or the Somali leaders from the 1960 and 70s looked nothing like how current breeds look. These fockers look they are in business. They look different and act different than the Culusoow, Cumar Buur and Farmaajo brands of these days.

Guhad, they were different in every sense of the word.

The previous political class and leadership for the most part, were either

A) Refined by military discipline
B) Able, educated and cultivated.
C) Tuned by an intrinsic cultural amour propre

Fast forward to present times and your average Somali politician or what passes for such, lack the basic skills required for public speech, leave alone public service.

Cumar carte qaalib

Ina carte qaalib looks like a charachter from shaft. With his slick hairstyle.
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Liquid

Siad Barre's invasion of Galbeed may have been for good intentions but the results were still disastrous

Siad Barre and his army invaded Ethiopia in 1977, because many somalis had the idea that Ethiopia was in chaos and the ethiopians could not resist a Somali invasion, the Somali raid against Ethiopia was a huge mistake because Barre never imagined that Soviet Union and Cuba could betray him.

Barre thought that Somalia would receive a lot of aid from Soviet Union but russians didnt do anything to help his regime.

I would rate Abdullahi Isse Maxamud, Michael Mariamo, Mohamed Warsame "Kemiko", Cumar Caarte Ghalib, as some of Somalia's best diplomats. These men were successful in advocating Somalia's interests on the global stage. Abdullahi Isse Maxamud successfully argued Italian Somaliland's case for independence and prevented it from being delayed by 10 years. He also prepared Italian Somaliland for independence as its Prime Minister. Michael Mariamo was an eloquent diplomat who advocated for the Somali Republic's interests at the OAU and other African institutes. He is perhaps one of the least credited diplomats. Mohamed Warsame Kemiko helped cement Somalia's friendship with the People's Republic of China as he played a key role in the African block's support for the PRC to receive a seat at the UN. He argued unsuccessful to dissuade MSB from going to war. He went on a secret mission to Addis Ababa to meet the head of the Derg regime to discuss formal talks with Addis on the issue of Western Somalia. He received positive indications from the head of the regime before Mengistu unseated him. The Ethiopian regime was open to talks because they were in the midst of an insurgency and did not have the resources to wage a war with Somalia and the opposition. Kemiko's advice fell on deaf ears and he did warn the regime that if they went to war with Ethiopia they would not receive support on the world stage as it would encourage similar conflicts and undermine Somalia's standing.

God bless those men they were another breed.