Ina Adeer, istaqfurallah, he is admired for good reasons but not worshipped. Turkey has offered more tangible assistance to Somalia than others. It is a good thing that we appreciate and admire their benelovance.BaastoUnit wrote:He is worshipped in muqdisho
Recep Tayyip Erdogan
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He and the US are in a weak position now. But who's to say things won't change. I think time will tell, if Putin and Assad ultimately fail in preventing the collapse of the Syrian government than Erdogan comes out the winner.Machiavelli2 wrote:
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Ina Adeer, you made a valid point there (so is Fah123) Erdogan miscalculated his priorities by showing ISIS the other cheek, letting their supporters cross the border into Syria, bombing the Kurdish strongholds like Kobane and refusing entry to Turkey the Syrian Kurdish refugees. Now the Turkish economy is weak, ISIS is targeting Turkish soldiers and police, rejects the idea for an exit plan for Assad and to let him rule in the short term, has increased his local political foes and is powerless to stop Putin's planes targeting the Syrian armed opposition he supports or the Russian planes violating Turkish airspace because he had previously refused to play Obama's and NATO's tune. They rejected his proposal to create no fly zones in Northern Syria. Erdogan is in a weak position locally and globally except that he knows Europe is in a weak position and desperately needs him to stop the flow of Syrian refugees from Turkey into the continent. He has agreed yesterday to tighten his borders in exchange that Europe will resettle 500,000 Syrians from Turkish refugee camps. He is very vulnerable at home and Putin has weakened his image as a tough leader and all he could say about Putin was, "Russia has no borders with Syria, but I have a 911 km-long border. I'm disturbed with what is happening now".
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Indeed, time will tell. Putin's main game plan isn't Syria, but to be left alone in Ukraine as he wishes, so Bashar's support is only a bargaining chip. It is a messy complex web.Estarix wrote:He and the US are in a weak position now. But who's to say things won't change. I think time will tell, if Putin and Assad ultimately fail in preventing the collapse of the Syrian government than Erdogan comes out the winner.Machiavelli2 wrote:
Estarix
Ina Adeer, you made a valid point there (so is Fah123) Erdogan miscalculated his priorities by showing ISIS the other cheek, letting their supporters cross the border into Syria, bombing the Kurdish strongholds like Kobane and refusing entry to Turkey the Syrian Kurdish refugees. Now the Turkish economy is weak, ISIS is targeting Turkish soldiers and police, rejects the idea for an exit plan for Assad and to let him rule in the short term, has increased his local political foes and is powerless to stop Putin's planes targeting the Syrian armed opposition he supports or the Russian planes violating Turkish airspace because he had previously refused to play Obama's and NATO's tune. They rejected his proposal to create no fly zones in Northern Syria. Erdogan is in a weak position locally and globally except that he knows Europe is in a weak position and desperately needs him to stop the flow of Syrian refugees from Turkey into the continent. He has agreed yesterday to tighten his borders in exchange that Europe will resettle 500,000 Syrians from Turkish refugee camps. He is very vulnerable at home and Putin has weakened his image as a tough leader and all he could say about Putin was, "Russia has no borders with Syria, but I have a 911 km-long border. I'm disturbed with what is happening now".
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The deadly politics behind Turkey’s worst terrorist attack.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... st-attack/
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Erdogan might get regime-changed himself if he doesn't stop the dangerous game.Machiavelli2 wrote:The deadly politics behind Turkey’s worst terrorist attack.
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Re: Recep Tayyip Erdogan
Alqaeda maybe but not ISIl.
Qaeda is currently in bed with Qatar & Turkey (al nusra branch)... so they say. Media outlets say these groups are being supported now after Russian invasion.
Turkey could have won over the kurds if they would have sent in their army into northern syria. This would have killed two birds with 1 stone. Remove the threat of ISIL and reduce any space for PKK secessionist kurds.
Qaeda is currently in bed with Qatar & Turkey (al nusra branch)... so they say. Media outlets say these groups are being supported now after Russian invasion.
Turkey could have won over the kurds if they would have sent in their army into northern syria. This would have killed two birds with 1 stone. Remove the threat of ISIL and reduce any space for PKK secessionist kurds.
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Let us see the results of the new elections. Erdogan expected his party will win a majority and that will give him a majority in the parliament to change the powers invested in the president of Turkey. To me, it looks like that he blew it away, his Party will fail to win an absolute majority, the Kurdish and other parties will turn down constitutional changes and he will be a ceremonial president.
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Have they built his statute in xamar yet
Re: Recep Tayyip Erdogan
Wtf has this thread got to do with somali people? Stop posting random topics. Go on a turkish forum if you want to about turkey, f-king idiot.Machiavelli2 wrote:Is Erdogan a Machiavellian who is only interested being at the helm of power? Previously, he has moulded Turkish and Kurdish religious conservatives to support his party. At the recent elections in June 2015, to stoke up Turkish nationalist sentiment, he has angered the religious conservative Kurdish people who used to vote for the Justice Development Party and overwhelmingly, they voted for a party dominated by Kurds which has challenged Erdogan’s own ambitions to consolidate power as president. The JDP lost its majority of the parliament and failed to create a coalition government. Is this the beginning of the end of Erdogan and his party?
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lolaxmed89 wrote:Wtf has this thread got to do with somali people? Stop posting random topics. Go on a turkish forum if you want to about turkey, f-king idiot.Machiavelli2 wrote:Is Erdogan a Machiavellian who is only interested being at the helm of power? Previously, he has moulded Turkish and Kurdish religious conservatives to support his party. At the recent elections in June 2015, to stoke up Turkish nationalist sentiment, he has angered the religious conservative Kurdish people who used to vote for the Justice Development Party and overwhelmingly, they voted for a party dominated by Kurds which has challenged Erdogan’s own ambitions to consolidate power as president. The JDP lost its majority of the parliament and failed to create a coalition government. Is this the beginning of the end of Erdogan and his party?
Ina Adeer, I object to your heresy and hastily angry judgement. Basra should adjudicate us.
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