madhibaan & hawiye

[AGENT447]

Chelsea4 trying to troll

i am just curious

Ok,

[Hyperactive]

every society has some so called "outcasts" or "untouchables" for whatever stupid reasons but our version of why they were outcasted is stupidest one.

kulaha mayd bey 3oneyn! first time i heard that story wallah wan hasoosta, i laughed so hard!! war dadka masakiinta iyo agoonta ba wala da'aa isnt that better reason to outcast those criminals!!

[jamal9]

madhibaan & hawiye are the same pple. they are all dark with red lips. only difference is hawiye went to school while madhibaan always did manual labor job.

[joof]

madhibaan & hawiye are the same pple. they are all dark with red lips. only difference is hawiye went to school while madhibaan always did manual labor job.

bucur bacayr lol

[Halmog]

Beesha madhibaan primitive zomali bs

[FarhanYare]

madhibaan waa dadka ugu qurxoon somalida hands down

[Grant]

The Madhibaan/Gaboye have been assimilated into Somali clans all over the place, but they are not Samaale. They are linked to the Bon hunter/gatherers who preceded the camel herders.

http://themaandeeq.com/who-came-before- ... ali-pt-ii/

"It becomes clear that the Madhibaan people have a claim to something that goes much deeper than Somali contested state borders. In fact, present day camel herders have only occupied the Somali territories since the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. (Piga de Carolis 1980) The Madhibaan have been linked to the Bon, who are “connected to the pre-Negritic populations of hunter/gatherers who were the first inhabitants of the open terrain of North and East Africa.” (Gallo & Viviani, 1992) "

where did the Somali camel herders come from,the sky?stop with your hate-driven agenda,Mr grant.

As a distinct people, the Somalis probably originated in the southern Ethiopian highlands. The parent stock probably came from Egypt/Libya.

Here's the Wiki entry for Somalis, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalis

"Y-DNA

According to Y chromosome studies by Sanchez et al. (2005), Cruciani et al. (2004, 2007), the Somalis are paternally closely related to other Afro-Asiatic-speaking groups in Northeast Africa.[72][73][74] Besides comprising the majority of the Y-DNA in Somalis, the E1b1b1a (formerly E3b1a) haplogroup also makes up a significant proportion of the paternal DNA of Ethiopians, Sudanese, Egyptians, Berbers, North African Arabs, as well as many Mediterranean populations.[73][75] Sanchez et al. (2005) observed the M78 subclade of E1b1b in about 77% of their Somali male samples.[72] According to Cruciani et al. (2007), the presence of this subhaplogroup in the Horn region may represent the traces of an ancient migration from Egypt/Libya.[74] After haplogroup E1b1b, the second most frequently occurring Y-DNA haplogroup among Somalis is the West Asian haplogroup T (M70).[76] It is observed in slightly more than 10% of Somali males. Haplogroup T, like haplogroup E1b1b, is also typically found among populations of Northeast Africa, North Africa, the Near East and the Mediterranean.[77][78]

mtDNA

According to mtDNA studies by Holden (2005) and Richards et al. (2006), a significant proportion of the maternal lineages of Somalis consists of the M1 haplogroup.[79][80] This mitochondrial clade is common among Ethiopians and North Africans, particularly Egyptians and Algerians.[81][82] M1 is believed to have originated in Asia,[83] where its parent M clade represents the majority of mtDNA lineages.[84] This haplogroup is also thought to possibly correlate with the Afro-Asiatic language family:[80]

"We analysed mtDNA variation in ~250 persons from Libya, Somalia, and Congo/Zambia, as representatives of the three regions of interest. Our initial results indicate a sharp cline in M1 frequencies that generally does not extend into sub-Saharan Africa. While our North and especially East African samples contained frequencies of M1 over 20%, our sub-Saharan samples consisted almost entirely of the L1 or L2 haplogroups only. In addition, there existed a significant amount of homogeneity within the M1 haplogroup. This sharp cline indicates a history of little admixture between these regions. This could imply a more recent ancestry for M1 in Africa, as older lineages are more diverse and widespread by nature, and may be an indication of a back-migration into Africa from the Middle East."[80]

Autosomal DNA

According to an autosomal DNA study by Hodgson et al. (2014), the Afro-Asiatic languages were likely spread across Africa and the Near East by an ancestral population(s) carrying a newly identified non-African genetic component, which the researchers dub the "Ethio-Somali". This Ethio-Somali component is today most common among Afro-Asiatic-speaking populations in the Horn of Africa. It reaches a frequency peak among ethnic Somalis, representing the majority of their ancestry. The Ethio-Somali component is most closely related to the Maghrebi non-African genetic component, and is believed to have diverged from all other non-African ancestries at least 23,000 years ago. On this basis, the researchers suggest that the original Ethio-Somali carrying population(s) probably arrived in the pre-agricultural period from the Near East, having crossed over into northeastern Africa via the Sinai Peninsula. The population then likely split into two branches, with one group heading westward toward the Maghreb and the other moving south into the Horn.[85]
HLA antigens

The analysis of HLA antigens has also helped clarify the possible background of the Somali people, as the distribution of haplotype frequencies vary among population groups.[86] According to Mohamoud et al. (2006):[87]

"HLA antigens of the Somali population are not categorised as well as those of other international ethnic groups. We analysed the HLA antigens of 76 unrelated Somalis who lived in the west of England. HLA -A, -B, -C and DRB1 typing was performed by polymerase chain reaction using sequence-specific oligonucleotide probes (PCR-SSOP) at a low-intermediate resolution level. Phenotype frequency, gene frequency and haplotype frequency were used to study the relationship between Somalis and other relevant populations. The antigens with highest frequencies were HLA -A1, A2, and A30; B7, B51 and B39; Cw7, Cw16, Cw17, Cw15 and Cw18; DR 13, DR17, DR8 and DR1. HLA haplotypes with high significance and characteristics of the Somali population are B7-Cw7, B39-Cw12, B51-Cw16, B57-Cw18. The result of HLA class I and class II antigen frequencies show that the Somali population appear more similar to Arab or Caucasoid than to African populations. The results are consistent with hypothesis, supported by cultural and historical evidence, of common origin of the Somali population."[87]"

Somalis are not the most ancient people in the Horn. The Bon people are probably not even the earliest.

[AGENT447]

Ooh shit Grant came through for Beesha Madhiban and Laangaabs , calling us non-natives. Now let's see if our resident pseudo genealogists can refute this post!

[Itrah]

As a distinct people, the Somalis probably originated in the southern Ethiopian highlands. The parent stock probably came from Egypt/Libya.

Here's the Wiki entry for Somalis, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalis

Somalis have nothing to do with Southern Ethiopians. The genetics is very different. Very unrelated populations:



Also, the E-M329 lineage is very common in Southern Ethiopian populations (20%-40%). To this very day (after hundreds of samples), not a single Somali has been documented with that lineage. The Rendille have it though, but they are not proper Somalis. Omotic lineages are not found in ethnic Somalis.

[Itrah]

Ooh shit Grant came through for Beesha Madhiban and Laangaabs , calling us non-natives. Now let's see if our resident pseudo genealogists can refute this post!

He may be right. I know of one Midgaan genetic result and he carries E-V6, which is rare and different from most Somalis who are E-V32 or T-M70.

If this pattern holds, they are not Hawiye for sure.

[BVSNet]

That story about the brother who ate the dead animal does exist but they're not called madhiban, can't remember the name

Madhiban is a tribe on its own, in some cases people without qabiil are plonked in there e.g. orphan kids when you don't know who their family is

Going off on a tangent....

Though I doubt it's ever easy around Somalis, I've heard that Wuqoyi folk are the worst to live around when it comes to this issue. There is a big cultural difference between northerns and southerns when it comes to qabiil and how you would speak/not speak about it. My theory is, poverty aside, the less diverse an area is, the stronger the role played by qabiil. Diversity is the biggest differentiating factor that might explain this phenomenon

[thegoodshepherd]

Going off on a tangent....

Though I doubt it's ever easy around Somalis, I've heard that Wuqoyi folk are the worst to live around when it comes to this issue. There is a big cultural difference between northerns and southerns when it comes to qabiil and how you would speak/not speak about it. My theory is, poverty aside, the less diverse an area is, the stronger the role played by qabiil. Diversity is the biggest differentiating factor that might explain this phenomenon

They have a seperate neighborhood called Daami. Back in the day, they were not allowed out of Daamiga gabalka ka dib. Now that land prices have shot through the roof, their neighborhood is under pressure to sell and move. They want to buy the land, but don't want to be neighbors with midgaan. Truly sad

https://www.facebook.com/14338109668518 ... 614895986/

[Basra-]

The Madhibaan/Gaboye have been assimilated into Somali clans all over the place, but they are not Samaale. They are linked to the Bon hunter/gatherers who preceded the camel herders.

http://themaandeeq.com/who-came-before- ... ali-pt-ii/

"It becomes clear that the Madhibaan people have a claim to something that goes much deeper than Somali contested state borders. In fact, present day camel herders have only occupied the Somali territories since the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. (Piga de Carolis 1980) The Madhibaan have been linked to the Bon, who are “connected to the pre-Negritic populations of hunter/gatherers who were the first inhabitants of the open terrain of North and East Africa.” (Gallo & Viviani, 1992) "

There is something HILARIOUS about Grant that I cant put my fingers on. That ridiculous sense of beingness that he possesses. He is methodical, awkward, vulnerable, silent, borderline autistic, and watchful. I like the Watchful part more than anything though!

[LobsterUnit]

Grant,

Please do not confuse yourself.read what you write before you debate.the quote you posted claims Somali camel herders did not settle in the Somali peninsula until the 12-15th centuries.somalis were well established in the Somali peninsula well before the 12th century.for your claims to be true,a mass migration of Somali camel herders would have had to occur during that time period,something that did not simply happen.

The Somali clans are just as native to Somalia as madhibaans.

[LobsterUnit]

Ooh shit Grant came through for Beesha Madhiban and Laangaabs , calling us non-natives. Now let's see if our resident pseudo genealogists can refute this post!

Grant lived with Somali Bantus,so he will naturally have a soft spot for minorities.he is singing the same chorus as sadiq enow(Bantus,madhibaans are native,Somali clans are not natives to their own land,bla,bla)
The only problem for them is that their claims are not backed up by history,genetic studies or even linguists.you don't have to lie to help minorities.