prof samatar " somaliweyn meel laga so qabto malahan"

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

@Lamagoodle. That dream of Somaliweyn ended when Southern Jet fighters and artillery was used on civilians of the North. It ended when clans were sidelined and their voice in government was silenced through corruption then through tyranny and violence. Somaliweyn ended when Ogadeen who were sent to kill, rape and pillage northern towns - the very same Ogadeen that were being liberated only a decade before by the people whose wealth and homes they were ransacking. Somaliweyn ended, when a certain president invited Ethiopia troops into the capital city of Somalia to score tribal points. It ended when Hawiye warlords signed deals with mafia to dump toxic waste in Somalia's waters. It ended when Puntland and Somalia allow illegal fishermen to operate in Somali territorial waters. It ended when Liyuu police kill, kidnap, rob and rape innocent nomads from other tribes at the behest of their Ethiopian masters. Need I go on? You get the point.

I am as Somaliweynist as anyone can be. But even I see Somalis for what they are. The song of Somaliweyn is usually sung by those least adherent to it's principles.

[Lamagoodle]

@Lamagoodle. That dream of Somaliweyn ended when Southern Jet fighters and artillery was used on civilians of the North. It ended when clans were sidelined and their voice in government was silenced through corruption then through tyranny and violence. Somaliweyn ended when Ogadeen who were sent to kill, rape and pillage northern towns - the very same Ogadeen that were being liberated only a decade before by the people whose wealth and homes they were ransacking. Somaliweyn ended, when a certain president invited Ethiopia troops into the capital city of Somalia to score tribal points. It ended when Hawiye warlords signed deals with mafia to dump toxic waste in Somalia's waters. It ended when Puntland and Somalia allow illegal fishermen to operate in Somali territorial waters. It ended when Liyuu police kill, kidnap, rob and rape innocent nomads from other tribes at the behest of their Ethiopian masters. Need I go on? You get the point.

I am as Somaliweynist as anyone can be. But even I see Somalis for what they are. The song of Somaliweyn is usually sung by those least adherent to it's principles.

LH, if you think that Somaliweyn ends with heinous acts by calooshood u shaqeeystal, dictatorships and the likes, then you don't understand it.

Somaliweyn is not about regimes or political. It is more than that.

If you leave fadhi-ku-dirir nonsense, there is no somali who does not subscribe to the notion of Somaliweyn.

P.s. why don't you view the southerners as victims? that is what Somaliweyn is about; it is to think as a people, to share their joy and share their tribulations. That is Somaliweyn. At least that is the way I view it. I view all Somalis irrespective of their birthplace as my brethren. I know that I am on a higher abstraction level, but, think again; Somaliweyn is not dead and will never die. The political aspect i.e. geo-politics might die but never the spirit.

Somaliweyn= THE GLUE THAT HOLD US TOGETHER.

[Hyperactive]

Lama, somaliweyn was walaweyn project and didnt even work for them. never heard somaliweyn from any one else.

we somalis, weather from somali region, nfd, south, puntland, somaliland or djboutian somalis. we dont have to be from somalia to be somali .

my own cousin, wah lama qeybsan karo, leave alone dad an isku goal aheyn or even have no same pariority.

do you think kids who born after 1990 born and bred outside, care about somalia or somaliweyn?

you old geezers need to put to rest that none sense. islam which is ideology and belief, couldnt unite us. no jeographic can unite us.

[VeiledGarbasar]

VeiledG. Ii waran inadeery?
I am sick and tired of people who equate Somaliweyn with the failed state called Somalia - or the political class in Somalia. Somaliweyn is a feeling; the feeling that the Muufo cooking mom in Xamar, the geeljire in the hawd, the waxar minding girl in Borame and the cowboy in the NFD share.

Waa ku fiicanahay cadde, adiga see tahay?

For real though, this is the only thing I am far from the reality. Maybe Somaliweyen won't happen, but in my heart and speech and writing for that matter I support it. It feels wrong otherwise. In any case I think the civil war has destroyed the Somali people in a major way, and probably federal system would be best to get rid of the bitterness and hate. Then and only then, when my grandkids are older and wiser and Somali lands posperous we shall unite.



Ps. I know how to make a muufo.

Hyper,

If Somalis cannot unite with other Somalis than they can't unite with other Muslims, it is really simple. Unity happens in small steps, unite the village first, then the town, then the people and so on.

[Lamagoodle]

Lama, somaliweyn was walaweyn project and didnt even work for them. never heard somaliweyn from any one else.

we somalis, weather from somali region, nfd, south, puntland, somaliland or djboutian somalis. we dont have to be from somalia to be somali .

my own cousin, wah lama qeybsan karo, leave alone dad an isku goal aheyn or even have no same pariority.

do you think kids who born after 1990 born and bred outside, care about somalia or somaliweyn?

you old geezers need to put to rest that none sense. islam which is ideology and belief, couldnt unite us. no jeographic can unite us.

Adeer, I have yet to see a somali outside cyber fadhi-ku-dirir who views Somaliweyn as dead. It is how one defines it. Most of us define it as a spirit.

I think most people confuse SOmaliweyn with the country called SOmalia; or the lalalalands. It is not that it. It is time to differentiate them. SOmaliweyn= spirit= people. NOT a country

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Lamagoodle you are right the majority of Somalis want Somaliweyn, but these corrupt politicians lost the way and now its every one for himself. Baal this professor was told no you can't be president!!

Incognito don't disrespect hyper cause you disagree agree with him. You don't own Somalinimo, if some Oromo and others can claim Somali, what you think of nin Aabaahi Somali yahay?

[Hyperactive]

lol that all good but we cannot unite. mentality we messed up. qabil is just tool they use to reason the savage act, but in the end we are bunch of "care no one but self"

qofki doqon ah, qabiil halaku siro. i passed that stage and also fake nationalism .....fed up too.

lama, thanks for explaning but i rather to be somali in sprit and not somaliweyn.

[Lamagoodle]

VeiledG. Ii waran inadeery?
I am sick and tired of people who equate Somaliweyn with the failed state called Somalia - or the political class in Somalia. Somaliweyn is a feeling; the feeling that the Muufo cooking mom in Xamar, the geeljire in the hawd, the waxar minding girl in Borame and the cowboy in the NFD share.

Waa ku fiicanahay cadde, adiga see tahay?

For real though, this is the only thing I am far from the reality. Maybe Somaliweyen won't happen, but in my heart and speech and writing for that matter I support it. It feels wrong otherwise. In any case I think the civil war has destroyed the Somali people in a major way, and probably federal system would be best to get rid of the bitterness and hate. Then and only then, when my grandkids are older and wiser and Somali lands posperous we shall unite.



Ps. I know how to make a muufo.

Hyper,

If Somalis cannot unite with other Somalis than they can't unite with other Muslims, it is really simple. Unity happens in small steps, unite the village first, then the town, then the people and so on.

Ayaamahan fasax ayaan ku jiraa. In my opinion, Somaliweyn exists. It will never go away. If you visit Hargeisa, Xamar or Mandera it is there. Yes, maybe not the political calooshooda u shaqeeysato elite but among the people.

P.s. Muufo minaad karin kartid gabar gaari ayaad tahay. Muufo markaan maqlo waxaan soo xasuustaa Xamar cadeey ; Muufo saliid macsaro iyo xab moos ah

[Lamagoodle]

lol that all good but we cannot unite. mentality we messed up. qabil is just tool they use to reason the savage act, but in the end we are bunch of "care no one but self"

qofki doqon ah, qabiil halaku siro. i passed that stage and also fake nationalism .....fed up too.

lama, thanks foe explaning but i rather to be somali in sprit and not somaliweyn.

Hyper, adeer an illustration of Somaliweyn; look at SOmalinet. Why are we here? Some of us are secularists, others religious, some of us from the SOuth, others from Somaliland, Djibouti, NFD and even from different countries outside Somalia.

We have something that unites us and we have all a dream that we yearn for.

That is SOMALIWEYN

[X.Playa]

Translation for Somalilanders, by Somali weyn the southerners mean southern hegemony. These are the people who took the presidency, prime minister, speaker of the house, all police and military positions, the capital and gave only the position of foreign minister to north so that minister can be used to undermine his own people. Yet with straight face the southies Will argue its just division.

[Lamagoodle]

Lamagoodle you are right the majority of Somalis want Somaliweyn, but these corrupt politicians lost the way and now its every one for himself. Baal this professor was told no you can't be president!!

Incognito don't disrespect hyper cause you disagree agree with him. You don't own Somalinimo, if some Oromo and others can claim Somali, what you think of nin Aabaahi Somali yahay?

In my opinion, corrupt politicians have tried/trying to kill Somaliweyn but it will never die. We should never allow them to hijack the spirit ...

[Lamagoodle]

Translation for Somalilanders, by Somali weyn the southerners mean southern hegemony.

You are a prisoner of spatiality or rather have embraced a discourse based on fadhi-ku-dirir politics. Think about spirit instead of mere geographic borders and about the common bond (glue) and you will understand it

[Hyperactive]

with all due respect, i googled somali to to snet not smaliweyn which i didnt even know before snet old geezers

seriouslly, i am somali, no amount of mix or self hate can errase it but i dont believe somaliweyn.

i dont think in mogadishu la ika hiko or even hargeysa or boosaso. i am all good with somalinimo.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

@Lamagoodle. That dream of Somaliweyn ended when Southern Jet fighters and artillery was used on civilians of the North. It ended when clans were sidelined and their voice in government was silenced through corruption then through tyranny and violence. Somaliweyn ended when Ogadeen who were sent to kill, rape and pillage northern towns - the very same Ogadeen that were being liberated only a decade before by the people whose wealth and homes they were ransacking. Somaliweyn ended, when a certain president invited Ethiopia troops into the capital city of Somalia to score tribal points. It ended when Hawiye warlords signed deals with mafia to dump toxic waste in Somalia's waters. It ended when Puntland and Somalia allow illegal fishermen to operate in Somali territorial waters. It ended when Liyuu police kill, kidnap, rob and rape innocent nomads from other tribes at the behest of their Ethiopian masters. Need I go on? You get the point.

I am as Somaliweynist as anyone can be. But even I see Somalis for what they are. The song of Somaliweyn is usually sung by those least adherent to it's principles.

LH, if you think that Somaliweyn ends with heinous acts by calooshood u shaqeeystal, dictatorships and the likes, then you don't understand it.

Somaliweyn is not about regimes or political. It is more than that.

That's not the problem. The problem is when camel-thieves and genocidal dictators are worshipped and presented as national heroes by the average joe from their clans. When history is distorted so much that even diaspora kids spouting the same lies and biased distortions.

It's why the current "president" will kowtow at the tomb of the dictator but not so much issue a word of regret or an apology to his victims and the families of his victims.

When there is a southern Leader with the backbone and integrity to apologise and admit to the crimes against the North - then we can realistically even think about Somaliweyn.

[theyuusuf143]

Somalinimo (kindship) is alive today and will exist for ever. Somaliweyn (a united Somali republic) does not exist today but most Somalis have that dream. to reach a Somaliweyn goal every Somali state should develop their part of the Somali peninsula. then we can get closer step by step example creating single currency, one army etc. Its boring when the most irresponsible somalis (the wanlaweyns) who are protected by foreigns troops hide behind fake Somaliweyn. Nimaan tiisa kaafiyin tukalena wax kuma tari karo.