Globe,

[Quruxley]

Globe,War waxaad rabtiid igu yeer.I'm not going to get into a fit& tell you drink my cum am I?
I guess my first suspicions were correct.You cant accept differing opinions yet you rant on about equality&the importance of one voicing their opinions.What a shame....
Good luck to you Globe,


Ina Baxarow....Why thank you

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"]Afdheere,

Why don't you focus on saving your rectum from the multiple penetration and drop the plight of the women? They can deal with it. You are not a man, hence not the perpetrator, and you are not a woman, hence not the victim, so stop meddling in gender business, nacatalaah caleek[/quote]

The great Snet mind crawls out its cave of wisdom and knowledge to share his thoughts with us. He tells us, "to know murder is bad, you have to be a murderer or the murdered!"

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Ina Baxar"]Sir Luggoyo , afkaaga cano lagu qabay.
Quruxley , remember inabti, dad aan loo jawaabin ba jira [/quote]

that is shameful. must warn you though, first warning is Mah!, second is Boh! and last is Spuduuuuuuu!

Ina Baxar,

Mah!

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Quruxley"]Dhuusa Dheer aka Beenlow why are you speaking for me?I dont remember recruiting you as my pet like most of the people on this site have you cant even tell your family about your choices regarding your faith....Baakhti baa tahay walle,What makes you think that I even regard you as anything let alone a man marka hore?Hadaad rabtid inaad afdhere shuukansatid then hit his PM box.Threadkayga haa soo gelin with bullshit and been.Mardambe afka qadhmun haa ila imaanin.Unless ofcourse you grow some kubado first .
[/quote]

What do you mean 'speaking for you?'

You are damn right I can't tell my family about my believes. Let me say it again: I CAN NOT tell my family about my PERSONAL believes.

Why shouldn't I be able to? Isn't there no compulsion in religion? Why are ppl forced to be muslims and punished with severe ostracism or death when they leave it? Why is there stigma attached to apostasy at all? What other world religion has apostasy laws?

I hope you think about the questions I ask and understand the source of my DEEP hate for Islam.

BTW, what is it that I said that UNTRUE. Before you declare me a LAIR, don't you think you have to present your reasoning along with evidence?

[Sir-Luggoyo]

Waryaahee Dhuusaaye,

Don't you know that you don't exist for some us, we see you as a nijaas and we try to avoid any contact with you even in the virtual world, no matter how much you crave for my attention, the least contact I would've made with you even in the real world, would have been to spit in your face, nothing more, nothing less.

[Ina Baxar]

Waryee, DD listen , since you have embraced your carab saalax roots I personally tend to leave you alone , so I wasn't speaking about you , igala baydh Mah! iyoo booh ! iyoo af jinigaad ku hadaleyso .

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"]Waryaahee Dhuusaaye,

Don't you know that you don't exist for some us, we see you as a nijaas and we try to avoid any contact with you even in the virtual world, no matter how much you crave for my attention, the least contact I would've made with you even in the real world, would have been to spit in your face, nothing more, nothing less.[/quote]

NIJAAS or IMPURE! You consider human beings 'impure' and take pride in that?

Consider ppl what you like for disagreeing with you, but casting them 'impure' is to deny their humanity -- the greatest moral error any1 can commit. And you just have.

I only pointed out the untenability of what said by suggesting Afdheere had no business in discussing women's issue cuz he is gay and not a woman. The stupidity in that statement is visible to any1 with a wee bit of intelligence.

Ina Baxar,

Boh!

[Mowhawk]

The verdict by the self-nominated umpire/referee is:

I sensed that you all agree that many of those problems exist (or may) within the Somali community, but does anyone know any nation that don't have societal and cultural traits that we see it today as negative? What I deducted here is that the argument centres on the methods of eradication. Quruxleey is correct in stating that change is happening within the Somali community, and there are many individuals and groups educating the masses about those issues within a Somali context, and not the hostile one favoured by opportunists.

Do the opposing side want to comment?

[afdhere]

quruxleey,

tart up what? are you saying a somali couple who have a child is not a somali family? maybe not the kind of family you would approve of... but a family nevertheless. sakariye and abdulle are somali. their child is somali.

second, i'm not even interested in people being immune to this or not. we are from a culture... where people are still refusing to accept the fact that fgm is horrible... and kills thousands and thousands of girls in our community. so it is not about immunity... it is about denial.

as for why there is no praise for all the things that are right with our culture, why should we praise people for the expected? do you not think it should be expected that people do good? i don't think i need to 'praise' anyone for not killing their daughter. why?

as for dealing privately, yes... average people should deal their problems privately. but leaders-- whether they are religious, social or whatever... MUST tell the society that we need to change things. we cannot have abdullahi yusuf get up there... and talk about how tribalism is harmful... and not talk about how gender discrimination is harmful to societies. we cannot have a fucccking sheikh get up there on a sermon... talking about going on jihad... while not talking about aboloshing fgm... because it is killing our daughters. etc etc etc.

i don't think you are a monster... but i do think what you said is not compassionate.


dhuuso,

because we are still learning the horrors of self-infliction

afdhere

[Quruxley]

Mowhawk your analysis is correct.I am stressing the importance and sensitivity of eradicating the problems of OUR people that lie within OUR community.

afdhere it's our people whom created this issues and it's our people who carry on practising.There for OUR people have to be the ones that eradicate these issues and the best method is for us,as brethen to help and educate one another.You know how most Somalis feel about Non-Somali&gaalo interference.They deem them irrelevant and try as much as possible to distance themselves from that so for the most part that option is extreme and rather useless.Ask 99% of the Somali community what their sentiments towards Waris are and they'll tell you "Waa love!".I dont agree with this but you see my point though right?

"why should we praise people for the expected? do you not think it should be expected that people do good? i don't think i need to 'praise' anyone for not killing their daughter. why?"

afdhere there you go again.When I said 'praise' I meant i.e-Why dont you praise those Somalis that are trying their bloody best to deal with our problems and have raised socially aware offspring?Not the ones who dont inflict them.That is normal behavior.You talk about denial, well theres my point!Dont try to belittle or patronise me niyow.Why are you twisting my words afdheere?

Let me empathasize on this point YET again;

WHERE IS THE PRAISE FOR ALL OUR PEOPLE(SOMALI) WHO ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO RID OUR SOCIETY OF THESE ILLS?WHY ARE YOU EMPHASIZING ON NON-SOMALIS SO MUCH WHILST DEEMING OUR PEOPLE(SHEEIKHS ,EVEN POLITICIANS I.E-CABDILAAHI YUSUF) UNCAPABLE?

Capsoff lool.
I've a headache from getting you to stick on the same topic and trying to keep my cool.

Check your PM please tart I have to go get ready for a wedding.

Q

[afdhere]

quruxleey,

i do 'praise' those who do good work in our community. just yesterday... i posted an article... dealing with the victory of the protocol in africa. one of the campaigners, in somalia/kenya/etc, is faiza jama mohamed-- who is the director of "equality now" in africa. she was one of the 19 african organizing people who brough the protocol to the AU (african union.)

i had also written about hassan ali adan who works with the unicef... and who really works for the rights of women and children in somaliland. he has challenged that government time and again... to do better for the society's most important fabric: women and children.

i'm currently writing an article about a group of somali scholars who met in mogadishu to talk about the horros of fgm. two of the leading scholars, dr. mohamed dheere and sheikh nuur baaruud, are both men

what happens is that... whenever i talk about these people, nobody responds. and you know why nobody responds? because it is expected. we all need to be fighting for the rights of those of us who can't speak for themselves.

i have never, ever said our people are uncapable. what i said, what i'm saying and what i will continue to say is this: most of our people pretend like it is not a problem. it is a denial... and that is not a river in egypt lol. it is a big, big river in somalia lol.

as for the 'interference' of other people, well sometimes we have no choice. take the issue of waris dirie. can you imagine she would have lived if she wrote her book in the somali community, and addressed those concerns in the somali community? what about ayaan hirsi ali? you see what i mean? these people would be killed. so they have to. they can't afford NOT to talk to others. it is their only chance.

again, this is not about 'you', quruxleey. it is about our society. and when i respond to what you say... i'm not responding to you -- because i don't know you -- but what you say. so, for fucck's sake... take your head out of the sand

i hope you had fun at the wedding... and that you didn't niikis too much and, yes, i replied to your pm.

afdhere