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i hope they destroy eachother they are both enemies of the somali people

GubanOgoJSL wrote:The only people that will surfer will be nfd,somalia,and somalida ethiopia because that's where all fighting would take place

FAH1223 wrote:

what a shame why he cares so much

GAMES wrote:If a war breaks out between Kenya and Ethiopia, my money is on Kenya winning.

Kenya spends alot more in defense than Ethiopia, and has relatively new gear and weaponry.

Ethiopia couldn't even defeat Eritrea in that last border wars.

You cannot compare the two.
IT not even about numbers, its quality and experience.
Kenya has zero experience, and its performance in jubbaland is shameful, and laughable.

kenya has a tiny, careerist armed forces, with little reserves ,
and does not even have the trained troops to recover from a real war,
Ethiopia can equip and army 4 times kenyas size, from the spare parts it keeps in its warehouses,
its eastern command alone is equal to kenya's entire army in size, and with 3 times the armour and artillary.

and lets not even talk about airforces..

gurey25 wrote:

GAMES wrote:If a war breaks out between Kenya and Ethiopia, my money is on Kenya winning.

Kenya spends alot more in defense than Ethiopia, and has relatively new gear and weaponry.

Ethiopia couldn't even defeat Eritrea in that last border wars.

You cannot compare the two.
IT not even about numbers, its quality and experience.
Kenya has zero experience, and its performance in jubbaland is shameful, and laughable.

kenya has a tiny, careerist armed forces, with little reserves ,
and does not even have the trained troops to recover from a real war,
Ethiopia can equip and army 4 times kenyas size, from the spare parts it keeps in its warehouses,
its eastern command alone is equal to kenya's entire army in size, and with 3 times the armour and artillary.

and lets not even talk about airforces..

Plus, in times of war, you need to have cash keep coming in. Kenya's economy is based on tourism and it'll disappear as soon as the war is officially declared. Ethiopia has factories, etc that'll last little bit longer than usual.

Ethiopia will definitely win, just that it'll probably take longer than usual.

to be honest kenya is more industrialised than ethiopia by far.

FAH1223 wrote:

This Jamal dude is pathetic.

gurey25 wrote:

GAMES wrote:If a war breaks out between Kenya and Ethiopia, my money is on Kenya winning.

Kenya spends alot more in defense than Ethiopia, and has relatively new gear and weaponry.

Ethiopia couldn't even defeat Eritrea in that last border wars.

You cannot compare the two.
IT not even about numbers, its quality and experience.
Kenya has zero experience, and its performance in jubbaland is shameful, and laughable.

kenya has a tiny, careerist armed forces, with little reserves ,
and does not even have the trained troops to recover from a real war,
Ethiopia can equip and army 4 times kenyas size, from the spare parts it keeps in its warehouses,
its eastern command alone is equal to kenya's entire army in size, and with 3 times the armour and artillary.

and lets not even talk about airforces..

Ethiopia could conscript x3 more soldiers than Kenya because it has the twice the population. But where would you get enough bullets, AK's, fuel, cunto and other logistics thats needed to win a war?

Wars aren't about how many men u could call up, but how long can you sustain and support the warfighter. Ethiopia couldn't even defeat Eritrea with only 5 million people in that border skirmishes. They would need a miracle of they wanna take on Kikuyus.

That's my opinion.

gurey25 wrote:to be honest kenya is more industrialised than ethiopia by far.

Take a look at tourism section here.

TheCadaanGuy wrote:

gurey25 wrote:to be honest kenya is more industrialised than ethiopia by far.

Take a look at tourism section here.

wikipedia is not to be relied on 100% but its good enough for our purposes.
when i say more industrialized i mean a higher capacity for manufacturing, more factories producing more goods.
Kenya has a larger GDP $55 billion as of 2014 with Ethiopia $50 billion.
Kenya has about half the Ethiopian population so its per capita would be more than twice Ethiopias.
Manufacturing contributes 14% of the GDP in Kenya, and 4% in Ethiopia.
Kenya has more access to hard currency through its exports and tourism sector.
so in both absolute terms and relative terms kenya is a hell more industrialized than Ethiopia..

but this does not necessarily mean anything for war, because none of them produce their own weapons or spare parts.

minimum ammunition production capability in Ethiopia does not mean much too, nor does its good overhaul and maintenance plants make a difference,

The difference in combat ability between the 2 is so greatly in favour of the Ethiopians, that any war between them will be too short lived to affect the economy, or affect the supply of fuel, ammunition or food on both sides,

In as little as a few days the Kenyan army will be destroyed as a fighting force, a ceasefire will be forced on the Ethiopians by the rest of the World, there will be little strain on the logistics of either side.
Well maybe on the Ethiopians but then they will win quickly so it will spare them the pain.

GAMES wrote:Ethiopia could conscript x3 more soldiers than Kenya because it has the twice the population. But where would you get enough bullets, AK's, fuel, cunto and other logistics thats needed to win a war?

Wars aren't about how many men u could call up, but how long can you sustain and support the warfighter. Ethiopia couldn't even defeat Eritrea with only 5 million people in that border skirmishes. They would need a miracle of they wanna take on Kikuyus.

That's my opinion.

Ethiopia is under the process of re-structurings its armed forces, it has shrunk them from 360,000 to around 120,000 today, 200,000+ in reserve.
Kenya has about 25,000 and less than half that in reserve, less than 50,000 total.
Kenya spends a huge amount on the armed forces compared to the ethiopians, but what do they have to show for all that money?
Fancy salaries for its officers?, millions in swiss bank acounts for individual high level officers.
Kenya has equipment as outdated as Ethiopia, both armour and airforce are as outdated as what the ethiopians have.
although they did blow allot of money on their new frigates for the navy.

so you have technologically similiar equipment that the Ethiopians have more than 5 X the number of than the Kenyans.

do you understand now where i am comming from,
we havent even talked about training , and experience this is a whole another topic..

there is absolutely no contest here..

This is not Eritrea, there is no terrible terrain/mountain ranges no impregnable fortifications, no EPLF with over 30 years of experience
They will simply stroll across the border and have the kenyan armed forces for dinner, and then digest the meal and have a few more bites before the International community threatens them..

gurey25 wrote:

TheCadaanGuy wrote:

gurey25 wrote:to be honest kenya is more industrialised than ethiopia by far.

Take a look at tourism section here.

wikipedia is not to be relied on 100% but its good enough for our purposes.
when i say more industrialized i mean a higher capacity for manufacturing, more factories producing more goods.
Kenya has a larger GDP $55 billion as of 2014 with Ethiopia $50 billion.
Kenya has about half the Ethiopian population so its per capita would be more than twice Ethiopias.
Manufacturing contributes 14% of the GDP in Kenya, and 4% in Ethiopia.
Kenya has more access to hard currency through its exports and tourism sector.
so in both absolute terms and relative terms kenya is a hell more industrialized than Ethiopia..

but this does not necessarily mean anything for war, because none of them produce their own weapons or spare parts.

minimum ammunition production capability in Ethiopia does not mean much too, nor does its good overhaul and maintenance plants make a difference,

The difference in combat ability between the 2 is so greatly in favour of the Ethiopians, that any war between them will be too short lived to affect the economy, or affect the supply of fuel, ammunition or food on both sides,

In as little as a few days the Kenyan army will be destroyed as a fighting force, a ceasefire will be forced on the Ethiopians by the rest of the World, there will be little strain on the logistics of either side.
Well maybe on the Ethiopians but then they will win quickly so it will spare them the pain.

GAMES wrote:Ethiopia could conscript x3 more soldiers than Kenya because it has the twice the population. But where would you get enough bullets, AK's, fuel, cunto and other logistics thats needed to win a war?

Wars aren't about how many men u could call up, but how long can you sustain and support the warfighter. Ethiopia couldn't even defeat Eritrea with only 5 million people in that border skirmishes. They would need a miracle of they wanna take on Kikuyus.

That's my opinion.

Ethiopia is under the process of re-structurings its armed forces, it has shrunk them from 360,000 to around 120,000 today, 200,000+ in reserve.
Kenya has about 25,000 and less than half that in reserve, less than 50,000 total.
Kenya spends a huge amount on the armed forces compared to the ethiopians, but what do they have to show for all that money?
Fancy salaries for its officers?, millions in swiss bank acounts for individual high level officers.
Kenya has equipment as outdated as Ethiopia, both armour and airforce are as outdated as what the ethiopians have.
although they did blow allot of money on their new frigates for the navy.

so you have technologically similiar equipment that the Ethiopians have more than 5 X the number of than the Kenyans.

do you understand now where i am comming from,
we havent even talked about training , and experience this is a whole another topic..

there is absolutely no contest here..

This is not Eritrea, there is no terrible terrain/mountain ranges no impregnable fortifications, no EPLF with over 30 years of experience
They will simply stroll across the border and have the kenyan armed forces for dinner, and then digest the meal and have a few more bites before the International community threatens them..

I check in here every so often for laughs cause you skinnies never disappoint. You've said so much shit here I must ask:
-what makes you think the EPDF is anywhere near the KDF?
-the KDF is in Kismayu since 2012
-do you have any idea how many KIA the Al Shabaab took? At least 3k! There was major culling of your boys in places like Fafadun and Xosingoow,I wish you knew! Fafadun alone,AS lost at least 300.

Here's your MUCH VAUNTED AS;like all Somali forces,they're vaaaaastly overrated!




Anyway,if you were to speak sensibly on what you actually know this wouldn't be snet would it?