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GubanOgoJSL wrote:What are you talking about oromos are in puntland and in xamar they are everywhere to collect money

Are there still Somalis who worship Waaqa

Hararboy wrote:

GubanOgoJSL wrote:What are you talking about oromos are in puntland and in xamar they are everywhere to collect money

Are there still Somalis who worship Waaqa

First time I every heard about waaq was from a southerner in somalia and the town call caabuwaaq, you should ask someone from dblock about that

PureQ wrote:One claims to be the descendent of Arabs and consider themselves as Caucasians.

The other claims to be the descendent of Israel and consider themselves as Caucasians.

I'm still laughing at this post.

Hararboy wrote:

GubanOgoJSL wrote:So the whole ethiopia is somewhat all mixed with oromo that means oromos are the chinese of east africa

Oromos probably had the same population as the Somalis a long time ago, but because the Gaada system/ideology promted population warfare in newly acquired fertile land in the highlands, they quickly bred like rabbits. Oromos had this tactic like the bantu expansionists where any land they sucessfully invaded, they would hunt and kill all the original highlander men and boys in the region take multiple wives from these highlander ethnic groups like the Gurage, keep them as sex slaves, then have 20 children with their slave wives and oromise the children, then teach the system to the older boys so then they could repeat the cycle and eventually whole regions would be Oromised. Its basically ethnic cleansing..

It was an effective tactic to increase their population size and consolidate their new territories. They were originally lowlander desert people like Somalis and their population growth was limited due to the environment and when they went to the highlands, their population exploded. Most central highlander Oromos have substantial Habesha/highlander ancestry as a result. Thats why Oromos are an extremely diverse ethnic group today. Some famous Oromo generals like Bulcha Sato could easily pass as a Habesha. Its the reason I dislike them as they still deny these crimes whilst they play the victim card. If you take account their history, I would say they are worse than the Amharas. That why they were called Galla or savages throughout history by the Hararis and the Habeshas. They deserve that name after what theyve done to the original highlanders

Bulcha Oromo general



And I wouldnt say everyone has partial Oromo ancestry, just those in surounding areas where Oromos invaded such as Shewa, Wollo, Hararge etc. I probably have Oromo ancestry, altho we keep a family tree and most of my relatives were either Somali or habeshas from wollo . I doubt Tigrayans, or Gondorese people have Oromo ancestry.

In Tigray, Raayyaa and Asaboo used to be and still partly speak oromo.
As for Gonder...it was governed for a century by Wollo oromos...and presence of oromo was confirmed since King Susniyoos
The very same Susiniyos who was a Guddifacha son of Oromos.

Hararboy...take it easy, hatred is no solution

U said, u probably have no oromo ancestry and as the same time u claimed wollo ancestory
Where from Wollo...worra qaalluu, worra Yimanu, Worra Baabbu, Boorana Saayint, Khamisee, Wuchale?
Care to share

B.

bareento wrote:

Hararboy wrote:

GubanOgoJSL wrote:So the whole ethiopia is somewhat all mixed with oromo that means oromos are the chinese of east africa

Oromos probably had the same population as the Somalis a long time ago, but because the Gaada system/ideology promted population warfare in newly acquired fertile land in the highlands, they quickly bred like rabbits. Oromos had this tactic like the bantu expansionists where any land they sucessfully invaded, they would hunt and kill all the original highlander men and boys in the region take multiple wives from these highlander ethnic groups like the Gurage, keep them as sex slaves, then have 20 children with their slave wives and oromise the children, then teach the system to the older boys so then they could repeat the cycle and eventually whole regions would be Oromised. Its basically ethnic cleansing..

It was an effective tactic to increase their population size and consolidate their new territories. They were originally lowlander desert people like Somalis and their population growth was limited due to the environment and when they went to the highlands, their population exploded. Most central highlander Oromos have substantial Habesha/highlander ancestry as a result. Thats why Oromos are an extremely diverse ethnic group today. Some famous Oromo generals like Bulcha Sato could easily pass as a Habesha. Its the reason I dislike them as they still deny these crimes whilst they play the victim card. If you take account their history, I would say they are worse than the Amharas. That why they were called Galla or savages throughout history by the Hararis and the Habeshas. They deserve that name after what theyve done to the original highlanders

Bulcha Oromo general



And I wouldnt say everyone has partial Oromo ancestry, just those in surounding areas where Oromos invaded such as Shewa, Wollo, Hararge etc. I probably have Oromo ancestry, altho we keep a family tree and most of my relatives were either Somali or habeshas from wollo . I doubt Tigrayans, or Gondorese people have Oromo ancestry.

In Tigray, Raayyaa and Asaboo used to be and still partly speak oromo.
As for Gonder...it was governed for a century by Wollo oromos...and presence of oromo was confirmed since King Susniyoos
The very same Susiniyos who was a Guddifacha son of Oromos.

Hararboy...take it easy, hatred is no solution

U said, u probably have no oromo ancestry and as the same time u claimed wollo ancestory
Where from Wollo...worra qaalluu, worra Yimanu, Worra Baabbu, Boorana Saayint, Khamisee, Wuchale?
Care to share

B.

Wheres your proof. Its very easy to claim other peoples legacy. Oromo culture of victimisation is what I despise. Your people claim lands that are not yours in your peoples grand plan for a Oromo nation and pretend the habeshas are the boogey man when your people have a have a more longer history of invasion/violently assimilating people from other ethnic groups and persecuting the original highlanders during your expansion years. Oromos are great at revisionism when it comes to pursuing their own peoples agendas. . My great grand mother is from north western wollo so perhaps I do have oromo blood, but I also have ton of Issaq and turkish ancestry.

. Your people ochestrated the most destructive invasion in Ethiopias history which lead to my own unique and beautiful ethnic group fighting for survival for centuries and im sure the Hararis were not the only ones who had to fighht for their survival during oromos glory days yet for some reason Oromos who like to play miskeen forget to mention this history when they point the finger to Amhara. Id respect your people more if ,Oromos own up to their own history of aggression towards native highlanders ethnic groups and stop playing the victim card.

Amaan takhu mujaahid Hararboy!
Tagee bal qalacaac! Dont tell me u dont speak harari?

Well my proofs are history books...obviously u r unaware of their existence...
u know those paper bundles with funny signs and pictures.

Truly your ethnic group/groups (if I go by your own confessions...somalis and Wolloyyees) are unique and beautiful
specially their subspecies in Minneapolis known as Single Mamas.

Hararboy, ask yourself how come a small nomadic, barbaric tribe living in the desert could send to oblivion the Adali empire, send abyssinia
to the other side of blue nile? this is a myth, this cant be true; open your eyes young man!

B.

bareento wrote:Amaan takhu mujaahid Hararboy!
Tagee bal qalacaac! Dont tell me u dont speak harari?

Well my proofs are history books...obviously u r unaware of their existence...
u know those paper bundles with funny signs and pictures.

Truly your ethnic group/groups (if I go by your own confessions...somalis and Wolloyyees) are unique and beautiful
specially their subspecies in Minneapolis known as Single Mamas.

Hararboy, ask yourself how come a small nomadic, barbaric tribe living in the desert could send to oblivion the Adali empire, send abyssinia
to the other side of blue nile? this is a myth, this cant be true; open your eyes young man!

B.

Your confusing your own culture with my culture, unlike Oromos, most Hararis come from stable islamic homes and we are doing quite well in the west . And where are these purported history books, most Oromos tell their history by word of mouth like most cultures with no written script, which is why its very easy for Oromos to forget their own peoples sins whilst exagerating Habeshas crimes and convincing themselves they are native to the highlands.

Also,the barbarian Oromos invaded Adal and Abyssinia right after the major wars which left both sides depleted and weak. If you invaded those areas before the wars, you wouldnt even get pass the first village. Oromos are only prideful of destroying highlander culture and destablising the region for centuries without even contributing to the economies and culture to the regions your people invaded. Oromos are only known for 'assimilating" tribes with beautiful women and taking them as sex slaves. Your peope were notorious for kidnapping Harari women even during peace time. What a depraved barbarian culture. I bet when Oromos used to invade a region, the average IQ dropped by 10 points. I can see why most prominent Oromos have significant non Oromo ancestry

Amhara as per say do not really claim to be children of Israel for ancestry reasons. It is a system by the elite and church establishment.

No Amhara will jump up and down and say his father was from Israel.

Amhara do not talk about ethnicity or parental roots. They only know Ethiopia and Ethiopia only but their Ethiopia is almost the entire Africa.

The Habesha identity was not ancestry either. It was more like a national state like Roman. You can't say all Romans had common ancestry or father.

Some Highlanders only know that identity and for them stick to that.

My Amhara friends for instance laugh when they see the "Amhara regional" flag. Almost all of them do not even know it exists. They have religion identities but not ethnicity.

These friends of mine are mostly Muslim Amhara many of them from Gondar. They tell me how they great grandfathers used to be harassed and asked to convert. There was only Amhara (Christian) and Muslim identity with them.

Even Christian Oromo were just Amhara or same as the rest of the Abyssinians in their eyes.

These brothers laugh their heads off every time we talk about ethnics.

Anyways it's true from religious perspective Amhara adopted a foreign belief where Israelites were idolized and Somalis turned to Arabs for spiritual guidance.

So in both cases it was never about parental, modern generations misunderstood, it was all to do with religion. If you were Muslim it was synonymous with Arab and being Tewahedo was synonymous with Amhara.

Somalis then adopted the identity "Somali Mohamed" once they converted. There were no tribes. The tribes were created much much later and then that's when fake historians and manipulators inserted all these fake Isaaq, Darod, Hawiye identities.

They never really existed no matter how hard to believe. We existed before these guys as people living and walking the Horn among the Oromo, Afar, Amhara, Beja and others.

Northern Ethiopians/Eritreans adopted the Christian Orthodox through Egyptian monks. They were the ones installed the whole system. Even the kebra nagast was originally in Arabic and translated into Geez (also former southern Arab language).

Amhara only appeared in the 12th century.

Somali tribes were formed or established in the same time frame. Maybe a century later.

In conclusion, tribes are myth created by people with big agendas. They probably had past experiences and came from established empires. I suspect they were Arabs in the case of Somalis. They wanted to glorify their culture, faith and civilization. Early Somali converts were hailed as "sons" of "Sheikh X' and the tribes took up those names.

We know those stories failed though because they never knew DNA was going to be invented Today it's clear all Somalis had common Farah as a father. It's time to embrace it walee. Intan iin ka badan is beyond ceeb.

Personally I believe the entire Horn was one family but some joined the early Christian faith (bulk of this family became Amhara). The rest then migrated either east or south. The Christian sons never suspected the pagan brothers would survive without God and their white man Bible only to return and destroy the little civilization. Conquer for centuries. Then came new white Arab with new religion. Again a section of the family joined from the two camps of Christian and pagans. That new family the bulk would become present Somalis.

The few that make us look different are either religious Jihad migrants, visitors who decided to inter-marry or just foreign guests we had who decided to pregnant our women.

Religion was always a large enterprise. Wherever it went, so did it's salesmen, its enforcers and costumer services. Of course in the case of Islam landing on Somali shores, so did Arabs. The same goes to northern Ethiopia and Eritrea...where Orthodox went so did Greek, Coptic and Armenian priests and their entourage. They often received young girls to enjoy as gift to the Holy ones.

Going back few centuries, we were all in the same hut somewhere in the Horn. Let's face it.

Hararboy,

Don't hate the Oromo. They were good warriors.

AwRastaale wrote:Amhara as per say do not really claim to be children of Israel for ancestry reasons. It is a system by the elite and church establishment.

No Amhara will jump up and down and say his father was from Israel.

Amhara do not talk about ethnicity or parental roots. They only know Ethiopia and Ethiopia only but their Ethiopia is almost the entire Africa.

The Habesha identity was not ancestry either. It was more like a national state like Roman. You can't say all Romans had common ancestry or father.

Some Highlanders only know that identity and for them stick to that.

My Amhara friends for instance laugh when they see the "Amhara regional" flag. Almost all of them do not even know it exists. They have religion identities but not ethnicity.

These friends of mine are mostly Muslim Amhara many of them from Gondar. They tell me how they great grandfathers used to be harassed and asked to convert. There was only Amhara (Christian) and Muslim identity with them.

Even Christian Oromo were just Amhara or same as the rest of the Abyssinians in their eyes.

These brothers laugh their heads off every time we talk about ethnics.

Anyways it's true from religious perspective Amhara adopted a foreign belief where Israelites were idolized and Somalis turned to Arabs for spiritual guidance.

So in both cases it was never about parental, modern generations misunderstood, it was all to do with religion. If you were Muslim it was synonymous with Arab and being Tewahedo was synonymous with Amhara.

Somalis then adopted the identity "Somali Mohamed" once they converted. There were no tribes. The tribes were created much much later and then that's when fake historians and manipulators inserted all these fake Isaaq, Darod, Hawiye identities.

They never really existed no matter how hard to believe. We existed before these guys as people living and walking the Horn among the Oromo, Afar, Amhara, Beja and others.

Northern Ethiopians/Eritreans adopted the Christian Orthodox through Egyptian monks. They were the ones installed the whole system. Even the kebra nagast was originally in Arabic and translated into Geez (also former southern Arab language).

Amhara only appeared in the 12th century.

Somali tribes were formed or established in the same time frame. Maybe a century later.

In conclusion, tribes are myth created by people with big agendas. They probably had past experiences and came from established empires. I suspect they were Arabs in the case of Somalis. They wanted to glorify their culture, faith and civilization. Early Somali converts were hailed as "sons" of "Sheikh X' and the tribes took up those names.

We know those stories failed though because they never knew DNA was going to be invented Today it's clear all Somalis had common Farah as a father. It's time to embrace it walee. Intan iin ka badan is beyond ceeb.

Personally I believe the entire Horn was one family but some joined the early Christian faith (bulk of this family became Amhara). The rest then migrated either east or south. The Christian sons never suspected the pagan brothers would survive without God and their white man Bible only to return and destroy the little civilization. Conquer for centuries. Then came new white Arab with new religion. Again a section of the family joined from the two camps of Christian and pagans. That new family the bulk would become present Somalis.

The few that make us look different are either religious Jihad migrants, visitors who decided to inter-marry or just foreign guests we had who decided to pregnant our women.

Religion was always a large enterprise. Wherever it went, so did it's salesmen, its enforcers and costumer services. Of course in the case of Islam landing on Somali shores, so did Arabs. The same goes to northern Ethiopia and Eritrea...where Orthodox went so did Greek, Coptic and Armenian priests and their entourage. They often received young girls to enjoy as gift to the Holy ones.

Going back few centuries, we were all in the same hut somewhere in the Horn. Let's face it.

Hararboy,

Don't hate the Oromo. They were good warriors.

I dont respect warriors, only empire builders. Its easy to kill and rape and invade innocent peoples lands, its hard to contribute to the nation and build a civil society. This is the problem in our region, weve glorifiy warriors and warring nations who dont contrbute much to the common people.

How would you feel if Amharas invaded somaliland, killed or assimilated your people, populate your land with their people and then they start claiming your land as a part of their greater nation and they say we are the natives of your land, that Harar belongs to the Oromos now. I have every reason to dislike Oromos just like a an American indian has every reason to dislike the English. They ruined my region.Everytime I go to Harar, it depresses me. I might as well call the city east Oromia city. Hararis were never warrirors, just business people and teachers of the faith. Yet for some reasom Oromos felt the need to attack the city, rape,the exotic women and leave the city burning. Oromia are miskeen now, but wait till they get power. A cheater never changes his spots. I see Oromos as hypocrites.

Greetings Mujahid Hararboy!

Well I see u have a grudge against Oromos!
I myself am from Harer! Probably a descendent of one of those warriors/terrorists/barbarians u r talking about!
Wat can I do, to undo wat allegedly my ancestors have done to yours?

Although I dont believe u descend from Original hararis (as per your claim u have somali, turkish and wollo blood),
culturally u r not harari (u dont speak the language)...but still " spritually" your personae on this forum is their descendent.
I have some sympathy for u...and try to see your point..and may I say try to formulate, if possible some kind of excuse.

This being said, I still believe, oromos and other kushites populated hararge highland before the Establishement of Odaa Bultum in the early 16th century. Hararis at the time were only small pockets of Semites in the sea of Oromos/kushites.

There is no way, that a small clan from Borana could conquer those highlands bare handed without any fire power.
Mind u at the time , christians and muslims had fire arms.

Mujahid Bareento, great great grand son of mujaahid fii sabilil Waaq NOOLEE, hafiidahu Allah, the one and only....the one who killed single handedly Amir Nuur the fake Amir who claimed Arab ancestory.

B.

bareento wrote:Greetings Mujahid Hararboy!

Well I see u have a grudge against Oromos!
I myself am from Harer! Probably a descendent of one of those warriors/terrorists/barbarians u r talking about!
Wat can I do, to undo wat allegedly my ancestors have done to yours?

Although I dont believe u descend from Original hararis (as per your claim u have somali, turkish and wollo blood),
culturally u r not harari (u dont speak the language)...but still " spritually" your personae on this forum is their descendent.
I have some sympathy for u...and try to see your point..and may I say try to formulate, if possible some kind of excuse.

This being said, I still believe, oromos and other kushites populated hararge highland before the Establishement of Odaa Bultum in the early 16th century. Hararis at the time were only small pockets of Semites in the sea of Oromos/kushites.

There is no way, that a small clan from Borana could conquer those highlands bare handed without any fire power.
Mind u at the time , christians and muslims had fire arms.

Mujahid Bareento, great great grand son of mujaahid fii sabilil Waaq NOOLEE, hafiidahu Allah, the one and only....the one who killed single handedly Amir Nuur the fake Amir who claimed Arab ancestory.

B.

Hararis werent ever cushitic, even the anceint preislamic Hararis were culturally semitic, related to the gurage and anciemt Harla people. Geysinan is very close to the Gurage langauge. Its considered east Gurage, yes there were cultures that inhabited the lands that your people invaded. Think aboit that before your people start claiming the region as yours. And If youre a Harari, you would know Hararis are mixture of different people. These includes Oromo, Turkish, Egyptian, Gurage, Somali, Habesha. Its a unique ethnic group witha unique culture that is under threat from Oromiaation. Im against Oromisation, if your a Harari of Oromo descent and youre not imposing your culture on the city, or claiming like alot oromo harari I know that the city is built on Oromo land, than I have no qualms with you. Respect the region and dont impose your culture on Hararis, thats all I ask from Oromos today. Oromos of today werent responsible for their ancestors crimes just like Amharas today arent responsible their ancestors crikes, so I apologise.

Mujahid HararBoy,

u dont need to apologize...I liked your honesty. I have harari cousins, well half oromo and half harari.
And I always used to and still regard hararis as cousins with funny oromo accent.

I am very much surprised when u say oromos r imposing their culture on u...
Hararis of today dont speak Oromiffa, those of yesteryears used to speak.
Harar city is not in Oromia despite the fact we r close to 50% in harari region,
the official language of Harari administration is Geysinaan...justly so! Oromos in the city r obliged to learn it ...justly so!

I dont see where u see oromiffaa and oromo culture imposed on u?
Personnally, I believe u are under threat of Amharanaisation...thats your choice and probably it has some added value.
If oromo culture is imposed on u , believe me I will be the first to be against...we oromos r very numerous we dont need, or to use your phraseology we no longer need assimilating others.
Besides, most of hararis have left Harar city for Addis...is that our fault if u leave your ancestral lands?

We oromos, will never impose our culture or language on others; if in history our ancestors did so , we acknowledged it and we say sorry and try our best to have future good relations.

Wish u all the best my dear "cousin"!

B.

Obbo Bareento welcome to HornNet,

Akam jirta? Enageyuma?

It's good to have more brothers from the region. I like diverse opinion and multi-channel exchange.

I believe you are reppin the Bareentu branch (yes please use u not o).

Afran Qallu or Karrayyu?

It's good that you are comforting our Adari brother. Though he is right that past Oromoo were savages when killing, today they avoid going into the city.

Finally why do you use Oromiffa as compared to Afaan Oromoo? I have seen Highlanders use that term while Oromoo use the later.

Nagaati.

bareento wrote:Mujahid HararBoy,

u dont need to apologize...I liked your honesty. I have harari cousins, well half oromo and half harari.
And I always used to and still regard hararis as cousins with funny oromo accent.

I am very much surprised when u say oromos r imposing their culture on u...
Hararis of today dont speak Oromiffa, those of yesteryears used to speak.
Harar city is not in Oromia despite the fact we r close to 50% in harari region,
the official language of Harari administration is Geysinaan...justly so! Oromos in the city r obliged to learn it ...justly so!

I dont see where u see oromiffaa and oromo culture imposed on u?
Personnally, I believe u are under threat of Amharanaisation...thats your choice and probably it has some added value.
If oromo culture is imposed on u , believe me I will be the first to be against...we oromos r very numerous we dont need, or to use your phraseology we no longer need assimilating others.
Besides, most of hararis have left Harar city for Addis...is that our fault if u leave your ancestral lands?

We oromos, will never impose our culture or language on others; if in history our ancestors did so , we acknowledged it and we say sorry and try our best to have future good relations.

Wish u all the best my dear "cousin"!

B.

sure.

Greetings Mujahid Awrastaale,

Oromiffa is contraction of oromo + afffa (=afaan). like somaliffaa (somali + affa), amaariffa (amharic) etc...
its equivalent to Afaan oromo !

AS for our brother HararBoy, I do not necessarly agree with wat he says, but imagine wat he feels if he believes in wat he writes!
Probably, I would react the sameway he did!
I could have spoken the slave trade the muslims and Christians were practicing prior to the establishement of Oda Bultum!
And how Oda Bultum brought an end to this slave trade...probably boosting the population size of the region.
That wouldnt change anything...because we all look our history through the prism of todays politics/interest.

Present day Hararis, r vehemently anti oromos...whereas we always had courteous relations with them in the past.
This generation of Hararis believe that the whole Hararge highland was populated by Hararis and that oromos conquerd and oromonized them!
I beg to differ...Historically Hararis were only pockets in a sea of Oromos and other kushites assimilated by oromos.

Indeed I am Afran Qallo, from the Noole subclan a clan very close to Hararis or to use his phraseology conquered them

B.