If you support selfdetermination for SL, why not Khaatumo?

[Bandit]

Omg who gives a fuck
Warya quit your bitching and stop embarrassing

What do you think of Canbashe?

Him and his family will get there head cut off :

[X.Playa]

There is no such a thing as a sub-sub-sub-sub clan self determination. The political geography of Africa will never be remade motivated by the " I hate isaaq" faqash logic.

[JSL3000]

Khatumo is minature tribal base entity which would lead to fragmentation of the somaliland republic and its neighboring states. khatumo state only exists in the diaspora minds because it doesn't control the territory it's claims.khatumo wad basically invented to distablize somaliland just like how federal states distablize zoomalia's authority.finally khatumo claims sool sanaag and buhoodle isaaq resides in all those territories so that land isn't disputed.

on the other hand somaliland was independent nation on June 26,1960 which merged with zoomalia to form the unitary state called somali republic but that union failed which led to drastic war including ethic cleansing and genocide in the north of the somali republic by somalia's afweyne military regime basically somalia government at that time from 1970's to 1990. Somaliland leaves the union on may 18, 1991 and reverts backs to it original borders at the time of independence.

may 18,1991 the dhulos were present and burco conference and like every other clans men they signed on dotted line. The agreement is signed in blood and can not be broken until end of time we will hold them up to this agreement no matter what.

[theyuusuf143]

Why would I support their self determination when I have the rights to determine their destiny. Don't watch all those niiko videos from the diaspora kastuumo is weak actor on the ground. They have only two options. To defeat us or join us.

[BenevolentGaraad]

Khatumo is minature tribal base entity which would lead to fragmentation of the somaliland republic and its neighboring states. khatumo state only exists in the diaspora minds because it doesn't control the territory it's claims.khatumo wad basically invented to distablize somaliland just like how federal states distablize zoomalia's authority.finally khatumo claims sool sanaag and buhoodle isaaq resides in all those territories so that land isn't disputed.

on the other hand somaliland was independent nation on June 26,1960 which merged with zoomalia to form the unitary state called somali republic but that union failed which led to drastic war including ethic cleansing and genocide in the north of the somali republic by somalia's afweyne military regime basically somalia government at that time from 1970's to 1990. Somaliland leaves the union on may 18, 1991 and reverts backs to it original borders at the time of independence.

may 18,1991 the dhulos were present and burco conference and like every other clans men they signed on dotted line. The agreement is signed in blood and can not be broken until end of time we will hold them up to this agreement no matter what.

There is no such a thing as a sub-sub-sub-sub clan self determination. The political geography of Africa will never be remade motivated by the " I hate isaaq" faqash logic.

You make some strong points but like I mentioned, the international community views SL as a minature tribal base entity and recognizing its independence would lead to fragmentation of the somali republic and its neighboring states.

Thats why Im asking, how do the two conflicting opinions fit in your head at the same time. SL is a bigger version going through Khaatumo's dillema.

As for signining the dotted line, DBH did so through force, as SNM was the strongest military present as it was happening. And plus, reer Waqooyi signed in 1960. How do u fit into your head, the idea that one agreement can be cancelled (the formal internationally recognized one), but the smaller one cant be cancelled (the unrecognized one accomplished through force).

Thats why the question is, what do u think a referendum of DBH would lead to. Its pretty obvious.

Im not dismayed by the SL illegal rebel occupation in or near DBH cities. Its occupied by DBH men wearing SL uniforms, who do do so to extract resources from SL, to beef themselves up for inter-DBH rivalries, and other possible conflicts in the future. Borders can be changed, trading Isaaq land in Sool, for Harti land in Togdheer.

[JSL3000]

Khatumo is minature tribal base entity which would lead to fragmentation of the somaliland republic and its neighboring states. khatumo state only exists in the diaspora minds because it doesn't control the territory it's claims.khatumo wad basically invented to distablize somaliland just like how federal states distablize zoomalia's authority.finally khatumo claims sool sanaag and buhoodle isaaq resides in all those territories so that land isn't disputed.

on the other hand somaliland was independent nation on June 26,1960 which merged with zoomalia to form the unitary state called somali republic but that union failed which led to drastic war including ethic cleansing and genocide in the north of the somali republic by somalia's afweyne military regime basically somalia government at that time from 1970's to 1990. Somaliland leaves the union on may 18, 1991 and reverts backs to it original borders at the time of independence.

may 18,1991 the dhulos were present and burco conference and like every other clans men they signed on dotted line. The agreement is signed in blood and can not be broken until end of time we will hold them up to this agreement no matter what.

There is no such a thing as a sub-sub-sub-sub clan self determination. The political geography of Africa will never be remade motivated by the " I hate isaaq" faqash logic.

You make some strong points but like I mentioned, the international community views SL as a minature tribal base entity and recognizing its independence would lead to fragmentation of the somali republic and its neighboring states.

Thats why Im asking, how do the two conflicting opinions fit in your head at the same time. SL is a bigger version going through Khaatumo's dillema.

As for signining the dotted line, DBH did so through force, as SNM was the strongest military present as it was happening. And plus, reer Waqooyi signed in 1960. How do u fit into your head, the idea that one agreement can be cancelled (the formal internationally recognized one), but the smaller one cant be cancelled (the unrecognized one accomplished through force).

Thats why the question is, what do u think a referendum of DBH would lead to. Its pretty obvious.

Im not dismayed by the military bases in DBH cities. Its occupied by DBH men wearing SL uniforms, who do do so to extract resources from SL, to beef themselves up for inter-DBH rivalries, and other possible conflicts in the future. Borders can be changed, trading Isaaq land in Sool, for Harti land in Togdheer.

You can fight for your minature qabiil state but you can't fool anyone somaliland was independent state 1960 and is de facto state now.

khatumo is some fairy tale bs something for the lost diaspora to chat about.

No one ever forced anyone to join they did so willingly ask your garaad and stop making up excuses to benefit some minority dhulos that nobody cares about.

[BenevolentGaraad]

. If we had a popular vote referendum of Sool, Sanaag, and the Dhulbahante (DBH) parts of Togdheer, what option do you think would win:

become regions in an independent Somaliland
Become regions of an autonomous Puntland within Somalia
Become an autonomous Khaatumo within Somalia

The international community will NEVER recognize the independence of SL, and they've made that very clear. Barring a complete shakeup of global politics, SL independence chances are nonexistent. And SL's current state of limbo might become a problem in the future. We see how vicious/ruthless the international community is in Syria, Lybia, Yemen, etc.
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5. Somaliland has internet in the land inhabited by dhulbahante, rumour has it that is where all the oil is. Somaliland is not looking to give away her future assets.

Now I want you to write the pros of a free Khatumo and the cons. I'm sure cons outweigh the pros.

I discussed some of your points in a post above. As for oil in the region, this is the problem I want to avoid for reer-SL. Imagine the buuq from Somalia determined to reap from it, and the possible ensuing conflict. Or the buuq from uprooted DBH nomads who have oilfields disrupting their former grazing territory. Will oil companies and SL gov give them a share that they will be satified with. History tells us, probably not.

Thats why the question, why hold by force, populations not interested in being a part of your union. Ideologically speaking, in your head, how do u resolve the hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance of supporing SL's self-determination, but not Khaatumo?

Your points about the 5-day independence are moot. There isnt regional or international recognition. Your points about SL occupation are moot, its a rebel occupation (in the eyes of aduunka) and plus, its DBH men anyways, who can change their uniform when it suits them.

[JSL3000]

Benevolent tell them to change they suit then.

Dhulos always universal you can use them anywhere.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Awrastale & Yusuf said it well, we will have to pick up the gun or if we are tired of war unite with such hateful things as the tribalist xaar player, the thought sickens me. We fight to death and let the winner take it all. N independent Dhuloz fuck all Somalis, or SL. Mise we put down the guns on both sides and come to the table for our interest as northerners to unite with the south who really don't think there is place or people in the north and want everything for themselves, we share everything as equals or find a northern solution that brings us together and a new referendum for independence monitored by the IC, but xoog ba SL lagu noqon shaqayn Mayso.

Togdeer the oil is Dhulbahante asset fuck all Somalis.

Whatever is best for our people and our interest must come first.

[Togdeer]

Awrastale & Yusuf said it well, we will have to pick up the gun or if we are tired of war unite with such hateful things as the tribalist xaar player, the thought sickens me. We fight to death and let the winner take it all. N independent Dhuloz fuck all Somalis, or SL. Mise we put down the guns on both sides and come to the table for our interest as northerners to unite with the south who really don't think there is place or people in the north and want everything for themselves, we share everything as equals or find a northern solution that brings us together and a new referendum for independence monitored by the IC, but xoog ba SL lagu noqon shaqayn Mayso.

Togdeer the oil is Dhulbahante asset fuck all Somalis.

Whatever is best for our people and our interest must come first.

Dhulbahante might have the oil, but don't forget you guys are landlocked. Never mind Berbera is not far

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Awrastale & Yusuf said it well, we will have to pick up the gun or if we are tired of war unite with such hateful things as the tribalist xaar player, the thought sickens me. We fight to death and let the winner take it all. N independent Dhuloz fuck all Somalis, or SL. Mise we put down the guns on both sides and come to the table for our interest as northerners to unite with the south who really don't think there is place or people in the north and want everything for themselves, we share everything as equals or find a northern solution that brings us together and a new referendum for independence monitored by the IC, but xoog ba SL lagu noqon shaqayn Mayso.

Togdeer the oil is Dhulbahante asset fuck all Somalis.

Whatever is best for our people and our interest must come first.

Dhulbahante might have the oil, but don't forget you guys are landlocked. Never mind Berbera is not far

We can reach N agreement.

Company takes 25%, SL 25% for use of berbera, Dhulbabhte or what ever region oil is found 50% for development and their benefits.

[Togdeer]

Awrastale & Yusuf said it well, we will have to pick up the gun or if we are tired of war unite with such hateful things as the tribalist xaar player, the thought sickens me. We fight to death and let the winner take it all. N independent Dhuloz fuck all Somalis, or SL. Mise we put down the guns on both sides and come to the table for our interest as northerners to unite with the south who really don't think there is place or people in the north and want everything for themselves, we share everything as equals or find a northern solution that brings us together and a new referendum for independence monitored by the IC, but xoog ba SL lagu noqon shaqayn Mayso.

Togdeer the oil is Dhulbahante asset fuck all Somalis.

Whatever is best for our people and our interest must come first.

Dhulbahante might have the oil, but don't forget you guys are landlocked. Never mind Berbera is not far

We can reach N agreement.

Company takes 25%, SL 25% for use of berbera, Dhulbabhte or what ever region oil is found 50% for development and their benefits.

More like the company takes 40%, Somaliland takes 60%. That 60% gets split amongst everyone including dhulbahante.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Loooool my oil? Hell mother f-king no and fuck SL then. Burn the company, stay in your territory. U wouldn't except that if oil is found in your territory.

[AGENT447]

Loool you niggas are hilarious. Arguing about who is gonna take the lion's share of a literally non-existent saliid. Let's find the shyt first sxbyaal

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

These bastards chased the companies out their territory aniga patriotic laa isaga keey dhigi.lol

Agent that is what I was thinking in my head, what oil lol