The Struggle of Ravens: How Did the Arabs Mock Blacks? a book review.

[Grant]

" The argument was always the same: blacks are ugly, have no human intelligence, and are more close to animals in behavior because “their forefather Ham was cursed by his father Noah (Nuux)”. These idioms established, Arab and Persian Muslims justified and executed the most brutal slave trade in the history of mankind, where people from Sudan, Habasha (including Ethiopia, Somalia and Eritrea) and the lands of Sanji (the Negroes) were sold, tortured, castrated and raped in the name of Islam. It is important to emphasize that Somalis were no exception."

I'm always amazed at how white people get excited whenever a topic regarding Arabs and slavery gets mentioned. You would think the Arab world has ghettos full of black slaves and their prisons are majority of full of black people.

What has happened to all these slaves from your "the most brutal slave trade in the history of mankind"? One would think from your comment it was much larger than the transatlantic slave trade.

Let's be real Grant you have a axe to grind with Islam and Arabs by extension. Your talking absolute nonsense. Including your Somali last sentence. You cannot compare Arabs to your filthy pigs. With your institutional racism and your fetish for genocide.

You did notice the quotation marks?

What amuses me is that Blacks in general and Somalis in particular delight in pointing out the Atlantic slave trade and White domination of Native American land. What Somalis in particular ignore is their own treatment of the Bon people, who were conquered and enslaved during the 11th and 12th centuries, becoming the Midgan and Madhibaan. Southern Somalia and the Americas share relatively large Bantu populations descended from slaves. Despite similar numbers in the Atlantic and East African slave trades, there is no comparable black population in Arab or Ottoman lands, which should tell you something about the difference in the trades. Also, "while the European Atlantic slave trade was conducted over four centuries, the Arab African slave trade was conducted over 12 centuries, and has not finally ended even in the 21st century." http://histclo.com/act/work/slave/ast/ast-arab.html

American Indians fought each other at least to the extent they fought the Whites. They were allies of the Spanish in the conquests of Mexico and Peru and they fought on both sides in the French and Indian wars. If you think they mostly died out from genocide, you would be wrong. There are over a thousand tribes left today, just in Canada and the US.

http://www.aaanativearts.com/native-ame ... onfederacy

http://www.nanations.com/tribes.htm

I will believe there is less institutional racism in Somalia than America when a Somali Bantu is elected President of Somalia.

[AirBitaale]

^^ Madhibaans/Midgaans are as Somalis as you can get!

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Grant I can't believe you are defending the horrors done to slaves in the Americas, and the massacre and enslavement and robbery dome to the native Americans who lost over 95% of their population N land.

Somalis didn't bring slaves they subjugated other defeated people, but never done what you white people did, enslave people, rape them, kill them, sell them, divide families, treat them as property, build your Western civilization on their backs!!

Arabs are bad but yours is documented.

[BeyondQabil]

" The argument was always the same: blacks are ugly, have no human intelligence, and are more close to animals in behavior because “their forefather Ham was cursed by his father Noah (Nuux)”. These idioms established, Arab and Persian Muslims justified and executed the most brutal slave trade in the history of mankind, where people from Sudan, Habasha (including Ethiopia, Somalia and Eritrea) and the lands of Sanji (the Negroes) were sold, tortured, castrated and raped in the name of Islam. It is important to emphasize that Somalis were no exception."

I'm always amazed at how white people get excited whenever a topic regarding Arabs and slavery gets mentioned. You would think the Arab world has ghettos full of black slaves and their prisons are majority of full of black people.

What has happened to all these slaves from your "the most brutal slave trade in the history of mankind"? One would think from your comment it was much larger than the transatlantic slave trade.

Let's be real Grant you have a axe to grind with Islam and Arabs by extension. Your talking absolute nonsense. Including your Somali last sentence. You cannot compare Arabs to your filthy pigs. With your institutional racism and your fetish for genocide.

Of course they were killed by the Peace loving believers

[skywalker25]

" The argument was always the same: blacks are ugly, have no human intelligence, and are more close to animals in behavior because “their forefather Ham was cursed by his father Noah (Nuux)”. These idioms established, Arab and Persian Muslims justified and executed the most brutal slave trade in the history of mankind, where people from Sudan, Habasha (including Ethiopia, Somalia and Eritrea) and the lands of Sanji (the Negroes) were sold, tortured, castrated and raped in the name of Islam. It is important to emphasize that Somalis were no exception."

I'm always amazed at how white people get excited whenever a topic regarding Arabs and slavery gets mentioned. You would think the Arab world has ghettos full of black slaves and their prisons are majority of full of black people.

What has happened to all these slaves from your "the most brutal slave trade in the history of mankind"? One would think from your comment it was much larger than the transatlantic slave trade.

Let's be real Grant you have a axe to grind with Islam and Arabs by extension. Your talking absolute nonsense. Including your Somali last sentence. You cannot compare Arabs to your filthy pigs. With your institutional racism and your fetish for genocide.

Of course they were killed by the Peace loving believers

Where are these mass graves than...

You remember what your first president said about your masters.

"They gave us the bible and when we got on our knees, our land was gone"

We both know which religion out of Christianity and Islam has killed the most humans, regardless of what the Jewish media brainwashes you with...

[skywalker25]

" The argument was always the same: blacks are ugly, have no human intelligence, and are more close to animals in behavior because “their forefather Ham was cursed by his father Noah (Nuux)”. These idioms established, Arab and Persian Muslims justified and executed the most brutal slave trade in the history of mankind, where people from Sudan, Habasha (including Ethiopia, Somalia and Eritrea) and the lands of Sanji (the Negroes) were sold, tortured, castrated and raped in the name of Islam. It is important to emphasize that Somalis were no exception."

I'm always amazed at how white people get excited whenever a topic regarding Arabs and slavery gets mentioned. You would think the Arab world has ghettos full of black slaves and their prisons are majority of full of black people.

What has happened to all these slaves from your "the most brutal slave trade in the history of mankind"? One would think from your comment it was much larger than the transatlantic slave trade.

Let's be real Grant you have a axe to grind with Islam and Arabs by extension. Your talking absolute nonsense. Including your Somali last sentence. You cannot compare Arabs to your filthy pigs. With your institutional racism and your fetish for genocide.

You did notice the quotation marks?

What amuses me is that Blacks in general and Somalis in particular delight in pointing out the Atlantic slave trade and White domination of Native American land. What Somalis in particular ignore is their own treatment of the Bon people, who were conquered and enslaved during the 11th and 12th centuries, becoming the Midgan and Madhibaan. Southern Somalia and the Americas share relatively large Bantu populations descended from slaves. Despite similar numbers in the Atlantic and East African slave trades, there is no comparable black population in Arab or Ottoman lands, which should tell you something about the difference in the trades. Also, "while the European Atlantic slave trade was conducted over four centuries, the Arab African slave trade was conducted over 12 centuries, and has not finally ended even in the 21st century." http://histclo.com/act/work/slave/ast/ast-arab.html

American Indians fought each other at least to the extent they fought the Whites. They were allies of the Spanish in the conquests of Mexico and Peru and they fought on both sides in the French and Indian wars. If you think they mostly died out from genocide, you would be wrong. There are over a thousand tribes left today, just in Canada and the US.

http://www.aaanativearts.com/native-ame ... onfederacy

http://www.nanations.com/tribes.htm

I will believe there is less institutional racism in Somalia than America when a Somali Bantu is elected President of Somalia.

You would fit right in with those responsible for all those past transgression. You were born on the wrong century.

The Arabs haven't ethnic cleansed any people like the Europeans in canada, Australia, America or New Zealand. To even try and white wash your crimes using the Arabs is disgusting..

[Grant]

You boys have been exceeding brainwashed and apparently can't or won't read. I am not defending the Atlantic slave trade or White invasion of native lands. It is well known and documented. What is not so well documented is the East African branch of the trade and the Somali invasion of the lands of the Bon people.

I strongly suggest you actually give this site a try. FYI, the author and site owner is Muslim. There is a section on the Somali Bantus and slavery in Somalia.

http://arabslavetrade.com/#fact

Here is the story of the people of the land of Punt, in their own words:

http://madhiban.com/
http://madhibaan.org/faq/faq-history.htm

[jalaaludin5]

Its basic human nature to be stubborn about certain things, especially if one is easily influenced by personal feelings and lack the ability to be objective Without fear.

It's absolutely true that when it comes to Arab slavery it's hard for us Muslims to digest it. The natural instinct is to deny it, excuse it or ignore it all together. Same goes for the so called "Somali Slave traders/owners" if there ever was such thing. But one thing that can never be denied is...when it comes UNADULTERATED BRUTAL SAVAGERY No one comes close to the white man.
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[X.Playa]

Where are these mass graves than...

You remember what your first president said about your masters.

"They gave us the bible and when we got on our knees, our land was gone"

We both know which religion out of Christianity and Islam has killed the most humans, regardless of what the Jewish media brainwashes you with...

And who cared to look for them ?? Thousands and thousands of slaves not only died in Iraq building dikes, emptying up the marshes of the tow river , but later the surviving slaves revolted in the mid to late 8th century and their revolt lasted some 21 years, till finally they were crushed using the "race" card against them by the various Arab theologians and rulers. The defeated were exterminated. That's The Slave Revolt of Iraq in Arabic " Thuwrat Al-Zinuuj", the historian Al Tabari was an eye witness and a propagandist against the revolting slaves.

Ahmed Ibn Tuluun 868-905 , a Mumulk governor of Egypt during the Abbasid dynasty , he imported thousands and thousands of extra slaves to creat an infantry army, the mounted troops were formed by Mumulk slaves and some free Arabs. His infantry all black slaves were estimated to be between 10,000 to 20,000. When the Abbasid finally managed to reconquer egypty this time the slave infantry escaped extermination by defecting to the Abbasid.

The next dynasty continued importing more black slave soldiers the Ikhshidid 935-969, when finally a black eunuch (Kaafuur) took over the reign and deposed the Ikhshidid young sons, his reign lasted few years but that short reign triggered a vitriol of Arab racism , that heralded the end of black slave soldiers in Egypt.

Entre the Fatimid who overthrew the Abbasid in Egypt and declared a Shi'a Ismailia dynasty , these guys broke all record in importing more black slaves to make soliders , eununcs , servant women and such. During the reign of Al Mustansir 1035-1095 the rise of black slave power reached its zenith , Al Mustansir's African mother ruled on behave of her son and imported more slaves then at any time in Egyptian history, close to 200,000. Not infantry this time but she made them into cavalry a domain of Arabs and Turkish slaves this jealousy matured into a civil war between blacks and whites in Egypt, that rallied all Arabs/Turks in one side and African slaves in the other side , the civil war became a matter of survivor for the black soldiers and at bravely fighting they finally were outnumbered and the Turks/Arabs won the day. And black soldiers were forced to dismount and remain infantry only.


Next dynasty, Saladin (1169–1193) Saladin overthrew the last Fatimid ruler , a long civil war ensued the black slave soldiers defended the Fatimid rule , the civil war took few years , Saladin and his Turk/Arab/Berber alliance using race as a rally finally managed to massacre tens of thousands of the black soldiers and sell their wives and children into slavery . Muslim fanatics glorify Saladin as the man who defeated the crusaders , but he is less remembered for his exterminations of tens and tens of thousands of black men, women and children in Egypt.


Now one can ask stupid question likes " where are the graves" its in the books. Those were the medieval times , Egypt alone the records of slavery up to the late 19 century when finally the British stamped out that evil is well recorded , the Arabs/Muslims were more brutal inhuman then all Western slavers put together.

[Gaashaanle1000]

Its basic human nature to be stubborn about certain things, especially if one is easily influenced by personal feelings and lack the ability to be objective Without fear.

It's absolutely true that when it comes to Arab slavery it's hard for us Muslims to digest it. The natural instinct is to deny it, excuse it or ignore it all together. Same goes for the so called "Somali Slave traders/owners" if there ever was such thing. But one thing that can never be denied is...when it comes UNADULTERATED BRUTAL SAVAGERY No one comes close to the white man.
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Most of the English written accounts of Arabian slavery are pure rubbish, based on lies and often times verging on the worst kind of slander. The truth is that yes, the Islamic caliphate did practice slavery, but it was rarely if ever based on skin colour. In fact most of the slaves in the Arabian peninsula in the early days were Europeans, Persians, Turks, South Asians, and Caucasus originating people. The slavic Europeans were known as Saqaliba, and they were often times castrated before they were sold to the Arabs and Ottomans in later years. Circassian beauties were renowned for their beauty, so much so that it was fashionable for dark skinned Arab bedouins to have Circassian and Roman concubines as a sort of exotic experience. Many modern day Arabs have vast amounts of Turkish/Circassian ancestry via the slave trade, and usually on their maternal side.

The African slaves were also mainly Bantu or Nilotes. Contrary to popular belief, most of the slaves form the land of Habesha were Nilotic wild tribes captures by the ruling Habesha. They were just known as Habesha as that entire land mass was named after the Habesh tribes (who in fact originate from southern Arabia). Interestingly Somalia was known as Berbera or the land of Berbers rather than Habesha or Zanj, and there were absolutely no slaves taken from that region.

The quotes posted on here, often times using such words as Negro, which does not even have a counterpart version in Arabic are obvious forgeries and translated with malice intent.


This is a quote from Bernard Lewis, Race and Slavery in the Middle East:

" During the 8th and 9th centuries of the Fatimid Caliphate, most of the slaves were Europeans (called Saqaliba) captured along European coasts and during wars.[2] However, slaves were drawn from a wide variety of regions and included Mediterranean peoples, Persians, peoples from the Caucasus mountain regions (such as Georgia, Armenia and Circassia) and parts of Central Asia and Scandinavia, English, Dutch and Irish, Berbers from North Africa, and various other peoples of varied origins as well as those of African origins.

Toward the 18th and 19th centuries, the flow of Zanj (Bantu) slaves from East Africa increased with the rise of the Oman sultanate, which was based in Zanzibar. They came into direct trade conflict and competition with Portuguese and other Europeans along the Swahili coast.[3] The North African Barbary states carried on piracy against European shipping and enslaved thousands of European Christians. They earned revenues from the ransoms charged; in many cases in Britain, village churches and communities would raise money for such ransoms. The government did not ransom its citizens."

[X.Playa]

Its basic human nature to be stubborn about certain things, especially if one is easily influenced by personal feelings and lack the ability to be objective Without fear.

It's absolutely true that when it comes to Arab slavery it's hard for us Muslims to digest it. The natural instinct is to deny it, excuse it or ignore it all together. Same goes for the so called "Somali Slave traders/owners" if there ever was such thing. But one thing that can never be denied is...when it comes UNADULTERATED BRUTAL SAVAGERY No one comes close to the white man.
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Most of the English written accounts of Arabian slavery are pure rubbish, based on lies and often times verging on the worst kind of slander. The truth is that yes, the Islamic caliphate did practice slavery, but it was rarely if ever based on skin colour. In fact most of the slaves in the Arabian peninsula in the early days were Europeans, Persians, Turks, South Asians, and Caucasus originating people. The slavic Europeans were known as Saqaliba, and they were often times castrated before they were sold to the Arabs and Ottomans in later years. Circassian beauties were renowned for their beauty, so much so that it was fashionable for dark skinned Arab bedouins to have Circassian and Roman concubines as a sort of exotic experience. Many modern day Arabs have vast amounts of Turkish/Circassian ancestry via the slave trade, and usually on their maternal side.

The African slaves were also mainly Bantu or Nilotes. Contrary to popular belief, most of the slaves form the land of Habesha were Nilotic wild tribes captures by the ruling Habesha. They were just known as Habesha as that entire land mass was named after the Habesh tribes (who in fact originate from southern Arabia). Interestingly Somalia was known as Berbera or the land of Berbers rather than Habesha or Zanj, and there were absolutely no slaves taken from that region.

The quotes posted on here, often times using such words as Negro, which does not even have a counterpart version in Arabic are obvious forgeries and translated with malice intent.


This is a quote from Bernard Lewis, Race and Slavery in the Middle East:

" During the 8th and 9th centuries of the Fatimid Caliphate, most of the slaves were Europeans (called Saqaliba) captured along European coasts and during wars.[2] However, slaves were drawn from a wide variety of regions and included Mediterranean peoples, Persians, peoples from the Caucasus mountain regions (such as Georgia, Armenia and Circassia) and parts of Central Asia and Scandinavia, English, Dutch and Irish, Berbers from North Africa, and various other peoples of varied origins as well as those of African origins.

Toward the 18th and 19th centuries, the flow of Zanj (Bantu) slaves from East Africa increased with the rise of the Oman sultanate, which was based in Zanzibar. They came into direct trade conflict and competition with Portuguese and other Europeans along the Swahili coast.[3] The North African Barbary states carried on piracy against European shipping and enslaved thousands of European Christians. They earned revenues from the ransoms charged; in many cases in Britain, village churches and communities would raise money for such ransoms. The government did not ransom its citizens."

what evidence you have for that "pure rubbish" ?

[SahanGalbeed]

Spare us ^your incomplete interpretation of history , I saw you here spewing the most hateful anti "anything black " to even insult the hawiyes for supposedly having bantu genes .You think like an arab kaafir ,i.e the end justifiy the means , anything to win an argument ;

[X.Playa]

Spare us ^your incomplete interpretation of history , I saw you here spewing the most hateful anti "anything black " to even insult the hawiyes for supposedly having bantu genes .You think like an arab kaafir ,i.e the end justifiy the means , anything to win an argument ;

stick to the subject , if you can't debate and rebuttal then go do your nursing job.

[SahanGalbeed]

Spare us ^your incomplete interpretation of history , I saw you here spewing the most hateful anti "anything black " to even insult the hawiyes for supposedly having bantu genes .You think like an arab kaafir ,i.e the end justifiy the means , anything to win an argument ;

stick to the subject , if you can't debate and rebuttal then go do your nursing job.

You cannot deny you are racist , tribalist and an unbeliever . Those are what form you character traits . Now how can you pretend to be arguing for "the blacks " against the "arabs" in Islam 12 centuries ago when you insult your own brothers the hawiye today for being inferior bearing bantu genes . You've just constructed a reality that is not befitting . It is about character , you should have a decent one regarding your present state in life

[X.Playa]

Screw your "unbeliever " shit, that has nothing to do with my ethics and morals. One doesn't have to be Muslim to be ethical , in fact one is less of ethical if he is a Muslim , good example is you , you can't be ethical and impartial when it comes to your religion and its owners the Arabs,.